Lively Case Discussion #479 6/25/2006

[AZLady]

I was out of town last week and missed seeing JQK.  I did read that he seemed positive about the progress.  Do you think details are not being released to protect the witness and not scare the predators?

[crazybabyborg]

Am I the only one who felt JQK was pretty hyped about this witness last week when he was on Gertie's shows?

He seemed to have a positive take on him.

[AZLady]

CBB, you're right--I should just ignore the logic and be more creative!  

[crazybabyborg]

CBB, you're right--I should just ignore the logic and be more creative!  

You'll be eligible for an ALE position before you know it!  

[Tylergal]

If I recall correctly, we were all wondering why Greta did not follow up with certain questions.  I think she had been told by JohnQK prior to airing, that he would not answer certain questions and he gave her a list of what he would answer and had she delved into them any further, she would have gotten the verbal wrist slap, since he told her once on air that there were things he would not answer.  She probably framed her questions in a manner which he would respond but not tell more than he wanted to.

[crazybabyborg]

Jacobs is still at ALE, right? A credible witness being held this long in Aruba, is a scary thing, IMO. He may have gone in as credible, but there's a lot of folks who have their own a$$ to protect via what they've covered up, and the last thing they want is for the truth to come out now! Their reputations have already been tarnished and truth that nails the very suspects they've done so much to protect, is not good news for them.

If this guy were being held out of their reach, I'd feel a lot better.

[AZLady]

How's this for creative?  Joran swims out to the deep ocean, Tarzan-like in his BVD's, and hauls the body behind him, cutting effortlessly through the waves like an Olympic champ.  He deftly avoids sharks and other sea creatures attracted by the body he drags behind him.  Nearly halfway to the coastline of Argentina, he judges the currents and winds and drops the body, properly weighted, so it sinks hundreds of feet to the ocean floor.  Smoothly, he turns and heads back towards the distant shoreline, his long, smooth strokes rhythmically slicing through the warm Caribbean waves.  The half moon shines a weak light on his glistening head and white arms as they move through the water, visible to the watcher hiding in the bushes.  Nothing disturbs the silence as he approaches the beach, wades onto the sand and shakes the salty drops from his body.  He strides to his car, opens the door and grabbing his clothing, towels his glistening torso with his discarded plaid shirt.  The job accomplished, Joran slides behind the driver's seat and slowly guides the car onto the road, heading for home.  

HAH!

[justinsmama]

Did it seem odd to you that the witness first said the male was light haired, and then, later, identified Joran as the male?

Not to me, AZ. I originally thought his hair to be lighter than it actually is. Between how short he wears it and the bleaching by the sun, who knows? Also, a Columbian would be accustomed to very dark hair, and likely not many variations that are lighter (black, dark brown, medium, brown, light brown and then throw in whether it is golden, ash or chestnut).

[AZLady]

Now, that is fiction.  Not very good fiction--but it is fiction.

[crazybabyborg]

Jacobs is still at ALE, right? A credible witness being held this long in Aruba, is a scary thing, IMO. He may have gone in as credible, but there's a lot of folks who have their own a$$ to protect via what they've covered up, and the last thing they want is for the truth to come out now! Their reputations have already been tarnished and truth that nails the very suspects they've done so much to protect, is not good news for them.

If this guy were being held out of their reach, I'd feel a lot better.

Sorry, I'm on a soapbox right now. There are road signs that might inspire a little more confidence..................like Beth being asked to ID the fabric, or results of the DNA testing on a condom. Or, the FBI receiving a portion of the condom for their own testing. The absence of what would be expected, is very worrisome to me.

[AZLady]

And, if a witness is being held in protective custody, do you really discuss that on TV?   If I were in protective custody, I would expect no mention would be made of my existance or whereabouts on major media news shows.  That is just not right.

[crazybabyborg]

How's this for creative?  Joran swims out to the deep ocean, Tarzan-like in his BVD's, and hauls the body behind him, cutting effortlessly through the waves like an Olympic champ.  He deftly avoids sharks and other sea creatures attracted by the body he drags behind him.  Nearly halfway to the coastline of Argentina, he judges the currents and winds and drops the body, properly weighted, so it sinks hundreds of feet to the ocean floor.  Smoothly, he turns and heads back towards the distant shoreline, his long, smooth strokes rhythmically slicing through the warm Caribbean waves.  The half moon shines a weak light on his glistening head and white arms as they move through the water, visible to the watcher hiding in the bushes.  Nothing disturbs the silence as he approaches the beach, wades onto the sand and shakes the salty drops from his body.  He strides to his car, opens the door and grabbing his clothing, towels his glistening torso with his discarded plaid shirt.  The job accomplished, Joran slides behind the driver's seat and slowly guides the car onto the road, heading for home.  

HAH!

         
You are multi-talented! Are you going to name the monkeys on your dedication page?

[AZLady]

Oh, of course, of course.  I owe all of my success to my dear, dear Monkey friends.  Stay tuned for part II of the exploits of Joran, the Sporter, champion swimmer and all around athlete who can scale tall buildings with... oh no, that's another story.

[crazybabyborg]

Well, the exploits of "stuper stud" have made me feel the need of a bath, so I'll be back in a bit!  

[Tylergal]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200867,00.html

I wonder if this guy knows any Arubans.

[justinsmama]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200867,00.html

I wonder if this guy knows any Arubans.

What a heck of a way to go. In all seriousness, it's got to hurt something fierce.

[SunFreak2]

What kind of weight would someone be carrying in their car?  A tire iron would not necessarily hold down a 110 pound body for very long, especially after the body started producing gases during the decomposing and putrefaction. Maybe he swam her out to the reef and wedged the weight into the coral to keep her underwater,  Didn't they say when he got back to the car he made a cell phone call? Called who?  Koen to get the boat to the boat ramp or Pappy Sloot to call Pappy G to borrow the boat.  Either way, they could go back to the reef retrieve the body and take her further out and drop her over the shelf of the ocian floor with heavier weights from the boat. Anchors? Sandbags? Weights from a barbell set?

Also wanted to point out that if they were to find her remains and he had strangled her, there would most likely be damage to the hyoid bone. If he snapped her neck, there would be cervical vertebral fractures.

[AZLady]

Ewww...campus politics can be very, very ugly.  I've watched Presidents forced from office and it's not a pretty picture.  We had a nasty period of about three years when a group of dissenters in the faculty made life a living hell for a new President.  She eventually left, but the whole episode left our campus morale in shambles and lots of acrimony.  It still lingers, even three years later.  We are finally, just this fall, getting a new President and I hope to God her transition is smooth.

[AZLady]

What kind of weight would someone be carrying in their car?  A tire iron would not necessarily hold down a 110 pound body for very long, especially after the body started producing gases during the decomposing and putrefaction. Maybe he swam her out to the reef and wedged the weight into the coral to keep her underwater,  Didn't they say when he got back to the car he made a cell phone call? Called who?  Koen to get the boat to the boat ramp or Pappy Sloot to call Pappy G to borrow the boat.  Either way, they could go back to the reef retrieve the body and take her further out and drop her over the shelf of the ocian floor with heavier weights from the boat. Anchors? Sandbags? Weights from a barbell set?

Also wanted to point out that if they were to find her remains and he had strangled her, there would most likely be damage to the hyoid bone. If he snapped her neck, there would be cervical vertebral fractures.

You know, it would make sense from the perp's point of view to float her body out far enough to then take out a boat, use an anchor or weights from the boat to weight her down and then let her fall to the ocean floor.  There would then be no evidence in the boat of a body having been there.

[SunFreak2]

Remember that Jossy said the witness said he saw a light haired male.  These types of details are significant.

To a Columbian who most likely has black hair, a mid colored brown hair would be light colored.  Remeber its from this person's perspective whether he's tall & thin and has light hair.