Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006

[SunFreak2]

SunFreak2 - sorry to hear about all the stitches.


I was looking at your sig line:
Joran needs to see OZ about a heart, a brain and some courage.

I think he needs the heart and brain, but it looks like he has heaps more courage than he should.....

I probably should clarify that the courage is to tell the truth.  

[terryd270]

I don't believe we will ever hear the truth from the Aruban's or the Dutch..  So my hope we can find someone over there that was there for work and is not there anymore..  A person that work the cruiselines, the casino's, sales positions for their company...  I look at Aruba as being very transient and those are the people that I would be looking for..  The PIMPS are not going to talk,  Kalpoe's won't talk but others will..

[oldfart]

I still don't know why we haven't heard from the kids on that island..  Kids loved the internet and I would of thought that we would of heard more from the kids beside Melody and others that post all the hateful stuff..  There got to be a few good kids, at least you have to hope there is..  I thought the internet would solved this case but now I'm not too sure.. I believe the three main PIMPS with Paulus doing the coverup but I'm surprised that the other kids haven't talked..

Why have we not heard of any anything (internet based)  in Aruba trying to solve this problem.. a simple chat forum.. if nothing else.
Not just the kids but the adults too

[Tylergal]

Tylergal - it is a local restaurant on the beach.  Not actually in Aruba.  Mermaid and I met there once.   She is exactly like her memaid avatar....

I was just thinking about the drinks all containing 151.  One of them puts me in the bed.

[BTgirl]

Terry
I think Freddy A. is in the mix as well. I also think that this is a more sinister group than some would believe. There is fear on the island. You dont get a police coverup easily.

And is there any connection to Freddy's brother Ernesto?

Does Ernesto remind anyone else of Joe T?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Not to me, BT.....

[Sleuth]

What surprises me is that no one with actual information has come forward with info to claim the reward money.  If there were any transient workers that knew something, I would think they would have come forth long ago.

There of course are the false tips where someone throws something out there hoping it might come true, but why no one that really has information.

[Sleuth]

Hey BT.....good to see you.   Great photo of Easy at work today..

Doesn't look like Joe T to me..

[2NJSons_Mom]

Wasn't there a cruise line worker who posted something about Aruba or the area?  Not specifics for the case, but I do remember reading something...

Terry, if you are right about who would talk, then, who would they talk to, considering the law enforcement handling of this case, and Art's comments about such? Seems the qualified, good officers were not assigned.  

OF, good point, so I guess that's been forbidden on the Happy Island...

[justinsmama]

Under which chapter and article is the 60 day rule y'all keep talkin' 'bout?

[Easywriter]

What's new?

Don't make me read back, cause I'm too tired tonight!

[terryd270]

OldFart,

I don't know anyone in Aruba but I would assume there are a lot of American's over there  since we wee the connection with Florida..  In Florida we had a time when we had Cocain Cowboys that would have shoot outs in shopping centers and were not scared of anyone.. So I believe these connections are still around.. I would loved to find someone that lived in Aruba so I could find out how much power does the Sloots have.  In Miami there are houses that you know are drug houses, the camera's the exotic animals, $100,000 cars and planes..

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sleuth, I was thinking the same.  The Columbian Carlos #2, per Art, was after the reward....we haven't heard of anyone else.  That doesn't mean there were not any, but it is strange.

[Easywriter]

Terry
I think Freddy A. is in the mix as well. I also think that this is a more sinister group than some would believe. There is fear on the island. You dont get a police coverup easily.

And is there any connection to Freddy's brother Ernesto?

Does Ernesto remind anyone else of Joe T?

It does appear they both get their hair products from the same oil refinery.  

[2NJSons_Mom]

Under which chapter and article is the 60 day rule y'all keep talkin' 'bout?

I wondered the same, and did not find it in the document when I read it earlier. Maybe Klaas or someone else can fill us in.

[Tylergal]

SunFreak2 - sorry to hear about all the stitches.


I was looking at your sig line:
Joran needs to see OZ about a heart, a brain and some courage.

I think he needs the heart and brain, but it looks like he has heaps more courage than he should.....

I probably should clarify that the courage is to tell the truth.  

Yes, there is a large difference in courage and lack of morality.

[terryd270]

I look at Joran and the Kalpoe's as local thugs that got to used Aruba as their play ground.. I just don't understand why the coverup, the BIGFISH should of cut these kids up and gave them to us as bait..  The police force is a joke, its a rent a cope, but why would the BIGFISH allowed these kids to mess up a good thing.. I really believe that those that really control the island would of given us Joran and the Kapoe's head on a platter but someone stopped it and why did they..  The cops don't seemed to have multi-million house, airplanes, $100,000 cars and boats..  Is all their money hidden in the freezer?   I think the cops are a joke, as I think Paulus is a joke and his wife Anita..  They have money but not the money that some local thugs have in Miami..

[Tylergal]

Wasn't there a cruise line worker who posted something about Aruba or the area?  Not specifics for the case, but I do remember reading something...

Terry, if you are right about who would talk, then, who would they talk to, considering the law enforcement handling of this case, and Art's comments about such? Seems the qualified, good officers were not assigned.  

OF, good point, so I guess that's been forbidden on the Happy Island...

There was a lady whose daughter worked on a cruise line with Aruban co-workers and who said the PIMPs were well known in Aruba, according to her friends/co-workers and they were glad to be away from there, that the PIMPs were known to be corrupt and ruthless and were protected on the island and she gave the definition of PIMPS, which I will not repeat her.

P.S.  I asked earlier but I think you must not have seen it, "how is your dad?"  Been thinking about you.

[Tylergal]

Sleuth, I was thinking the same.  The Columbian Carlos #2, per Art, was after the reward....we haven't heard of anyone else.  That doesn't mean there were not any, but it is strange.

How do we know that the security guards who committed suicide, the man who was beheaded, the man who died in the painting trailer, and Pitbull were not witnesses, who never made it to court.

[klaasend]

The entire info on the 60 day rule is posted in a previous thread, I think by Sharon??