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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2006, 05:52:28 PM »

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Did anyone notice the latest posts on Valentijn's page?  Appears he was going somewhere today--summer vacation?  The girl named Ash seemed quite excited about seeing him.  She lives in Illinois, according to her profile.  Think Valentijn is following in brother's footsteps by visiting a girl he knows in the US?


I meant to add a fifteen year old American girl.


At one time if I recall correctly (from a girl's website that I ran into accidentally) he was visiting another girl in Kentucky who had lived in Aruba and had relocated to Kentucky so I think Anita and Paulus just let these two boys run as free as a goose with diarrhea and have no problem letting the village raise them.  That village is full of criminals and are doing a good job of them, it seems.


Tylergal, that Kentucky girl is Natalie, who used to live in Aruba...Val's ex...


 Laughing I probably knew that at the time but what registered with me was them allowing that gurglewhonk to go into their house with their daughter even though the 60s parents allowed him to go.  What are these parents thinking that allow boys to go into their homes and court their daughters, and whatever else they do to them.  This is beyond what I think of as careless parents.  If I were a DHR worker, I would be taking some of these children away from parents.  I am sure there are ways you can prove neglect the stripe of a belt being on a child.  Careless neglect is child abuse and allowing boys to come into these girls' homes under the parents roofs, is careless neglect and a form of mental/emotional abuse as these girls will go on to be even more permissive with their own children if they live to have children.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2006, 05:52:49 PM »

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You all just hit the nail on the head.

Paulus worked only half a year in 2005 and now is employed by the attorney he hired for K2 and FA. He has worked as a temporary judge in training for 3 years I think and they don't make that much money. He was known to travel a lot around europe and the caribbean as well.
Maybe One Boy is deathly afraid to talk. for fear of simply disappearing.

Joran spent $300 a night at the casinos regularly except for a few winning nights.

Laws, rules and money seemed to be no obstacle for Joran  -- why didn't he have his own car??

Come to think of it -- when Charles Croes first asked around about who owned the silver car she was seen leaving in -- the local ids said "oh, you must mean Joran." hmmmmmmm
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2006, 05:54:42 PM »

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I think Satish is the weak link, I think he hates Joran now and is hiding from his family emotionally. He is a loner.


Natalee said to Joran in the car that night, " who are these guys, your slaves?"  D&S were in the front seat, J&N in the back.  Deepak got mad and Satish ignored it or wasn't listening. They are 2 opposites.  

I would like to get Satish alone for a couple of hours of questioning.

Me too.  He's certainly stayed out of the limelight.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2006, 05:55:22 PM »

Joran did not need a car, he had use of the family cars and no job to get to. He had dominion over his "slaves' with a wicked temper for their discipline.
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2006, 05:55:25 PM »

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You all just hit the nail on the head.

Paulus worked only half a year in 2005 and now is employed by the attorney he hired for K2 and FA. He has worked as a temporary judge in training for 3 years I think and they don't make that much money. He was known to travel a lot around europe and the caribbean as well.
Maybe One Boy is deathly afraid to talk. for fear of simply disappearing.

Joran spent $300 a night at the casinos regularly except for a few winning nights.

Laws, rules and money seemed to be no obstacle for Joran  -- why didn't he have his own car??

Come to think of it -- when Charles Croes first asked around about who owned the silver car she was seen leaving in -- the local ids said "oh, you must mean Joran." hmmmmmmm


Don't you know they are up to their eyeballs in this on-line gambling or on-line porn, or perhaps even prostitution there on the island.  There were people making big money off the innocence of these young girls that were "sold" into prostitution and I say that with all honesty.  These girls were either kidnapped as Rudy Croes was doing, as was exposed last year or they were "selling" them on the idea of some big income/future, etc.  The Dutch were the worst of the colonizers and it seems they found Aruba to colonize and make the locals their slaves.
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2006, 05:57:59 PM »

I heard Van Der Stratten is in Bonairre now,  what a demotion.
My friend has visited the cathouse there and says you can get a girl from many nationalities there. Including blonds.
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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2006, 06:01:56 PM »

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I heard Van Der Stratten is in Bonairre now,  what a demotion.
My friend has visited the cathouse there and says you can get a girl from many nationalities there. Including blonds.

Funny you should mention that, I was just doing a search on Jan VDS in Bonaire this morning.  I found one forum where someone was saying he was doing a great job.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2006, 06:05:23 PM »

14,000 total population in Bonaire and every criminal is known by name and habits. If he wasn't doing a good job he would have to be in a coma.
Remember almost everything is legal there except stealing from tourists and rape and Murder.
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2006, 06:07:21 PM »

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I very much noticed that Jorans brother is following right in his brothers
footsteps... But look who they have for a teacher and a role model
where in the hell does this family get the money to ship these kids
all over hells creation... I am betting there going to Holland to see there
criminal son and brother.. like peas and carrots those losers belong together


For real! I wonder how they can afford all of these transcontinental trips?


Tainted money, honey.  Just like our politicians who globe-trot at taxpayers' expense, so are the VDS family and they are giving the Arubans who work for a living the middle finger.  Anita's job is only a catalyst to something bigger or a guise to pretend she is doing something for the greater good.  It's a sociopolitical thing.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2006, 06:08:22 PM »

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14,000 total population in Bonaire and every criminal is known by name and habits. If he wasn't doing a good job he would have to be in a coma.
Remember almost everything is legal there except stealing from tourists and rape and Murder.


If his track record is anything like it was on Aruba, that too will soon be legal or otherwise overlooked.
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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2006, 06:08:47 PM »

Anyone know what this means??....quoted from RU pg. 3 by Glenda in Pretzer Interview thread...

Glenda says:  
Joran doesn't have a car.... And since he was at the Radisson and the XXXXXX riding with Guido and XXXXXXX --- then Deepak shows up with a second car.

I've xxxxx out a location and person who have never been mentioned - and for a good reason. Everyone who gets mentioned gets their life torn apart. I'm sure that is why he stumbled about two different cars and when this interview aired -- You still had never heard of Guido Wever, actually the only reference ever made about the Casino Dealer who moved to Holland was Lorenzo Wever -- who doesn't exist.

Again, the Authorities know where and with who Joran was with in the 11 days that past before being arrested. Everyone that Joran knows has been interviewed several times.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2006, 06:09:54 PM »

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Anyone know what this means??....quoted from RU pg. 3 by Glenda in Pretzer Interview thread...

Glenda says:  
Joran doesn't have a car.... And since he was at the Radisson and the XXXXXX riding with Guido and XXXXXXX --- then Deepak shows up with a second car.

I've xxxxx out a location and person who have never been mentioned - and for a good reason. Everyone who gets mentioned gets their life torn apart. I'm sure that is why he stumbled about two different cars and when this interview aired -- You still had never heard of Guido Wever, actually the only reference ever made about the Casino Dealer who moved to Holland was Lorenzo Wever -- who doesn't exist.

Again, the Authorities know where and with who Joran was with in the 11 days that past before being arrested. Everyone that Joran knows has been interviewed several times.


Just further reason to believe that Glenda is involved in this cover up.
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2006, 06:10:01 PM »

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14,000 total population in Bonaire and every criminal is known by name and habits. If he wasn't doing a good job he would have to be in a coma.
Remember almost everything is legal there except stealing from tourists and rape and Murder.


so sorry where is Bonaire?
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2006, 06:11:09 PM »

Glenda just keeps inserting herself deeper and deeper.  I am so happy to know the feds have two people reading at that site.
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« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2006, 06:11:13 PM »

HI Monks...  Very Happy

thanks to all of our transrcibers from last nights show...
I had to miss it and have not listened to yet.

We may not be able to get more "confirmend" facts on a lot of the new info.   But just maybe  JQK  learned some new items too.
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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2006, 06:12:52 PM »

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Anyone know what this means??....quoted from RU pg. 3 by Glenda in Pretzer Interview thread...

Glenda says:  
Joran doesn't have a car.... And since he was at the Radisson and the XXXXXX riding with Guido and XXXXXXX --- then Deepak shows up with a second car.

I've xxxxx out a location and person who have never been mentioned - and for a good reason. Everyone who gets mentioned gets their life torn apart. I'm sure that is why he stumbled about two different cars and when this interview aired -- You still had never heard of Guido Wever, actually the only reference ever made about the Casino Dealer who moved to Holland was Lorenzo Wever -- who doesn't exist.

Again, the Authorities know where and with who Joran was with in the 11 days that past before being arrested. Everyone that Joran knows has been interviewed several times.


1.  First you have to remember she is FOS
2.  She is saying that the night Beth arrived Joran was with Guido and another person in Guido's car.
3.  Then Deepak came to meet them and Joran and Deepak were driving to the Wyndham when his father called (or something like thata)
4.  Then she mentions how Tito first called him Lorenzo Wever.

I'd like to know who that other person was with Guido and Joran.
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« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2006, 06:13:14 PM »

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14,000 total population in Bonaire and every criminal is known by name and habits. If he wasn't doing a good job he would have to be in a coma.
Remember almost everything is legal there except stealing from tourists and rape and Murder.


so sorry where is Bonaire?


Bonaire is very near Aruba, and Curacao. It is the"B of the "ABC" islands.
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« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2006, 06:14:09 PM »

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Don't you know they are up to their eyeballs in this on-line gambling or on-line porn, or perhaps even prostitution there on the island.  There were people making big money off the innocence of these young girls that were "sold" into prostitution and I say that with all honesty.  These girls were either kidnapped as Rudy Croes was doing, as was exposed last year or they were "selling" them on the idea of some big income/future, etc.  The Dutch were the worst of the colonizers and it seems they found Aruba to colonize and make the locals their slaves.[/quote]


Tyler,
But remember the online gambling and porn is perfectly legal there as is prostitution and pretty much everything else.  They can be in it and still
operating within the law.  Remember Posner was listed as a family friend by ABC news until they abruptly ulled that off the website.

It's ALL LEGAL!

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« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2006, 06:14:18 PM »

one more question...was reading over last thread and saw mentioned something that may benefit Natalees's family court case but did not see the details...Klaas can you give me details?
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« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2006, 06:14:50 PM »

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14,000 total population in Bonaire and every criminal is known by name and habits. If he wasn't doing a good job he would have to be in a coma.
Remember almost everything is legal there except stealing from tourists and rape and Murder.


so sorry where is Bonaire?


http://www.bonaire-travelguide.com/map/index.shtml

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