Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006

[crazybabyborg]

Morning! How is everyone?

It's been so long since I've seen the uncropped photo, that I had forgotten it. Does anyone know when the picture was taken?

[Nut44x4]

GAGIRL's response to my question...

"I have no idea what he meant by that post.. but I believe it was during the time that the "secret van recording" were made.. and before the rest of us became "aware" of Freddy and his possible role in all of this. Was Simian saying that Freddy and Joran framed the Kalpoe's... or that the Kalpoe's were framing Freddy... if Freddy was the ride home that night.. it might very well mean that Freddy and Joran were framing the Kalpoe's as the ride home. just my opinion."

[Nut44x4]

Morning! How is everyone?

It's been so long since I've seen the uncropped photo, that I had forgotten it. Does anyone know when the picture was taken?

Not sure, but that info must be hanging out there somewhere in the forums/blogs.  

[klaasend]

Easy.......I just posted on BFN and asked for explaination. I don't post much there cause I always seem to attract 'Reality' and his smartass remarks...or I end up saying something that people take totally out of context, then I take crap 4 it, lol.  

What explanation are you looking for?

Easy and I were wondering what the comment on the hand on the shoulder' as it relates to the comment of 'It can never be the hand of any of the three'....I think, lol.

BFN>>post by gagirl today:
And then Simian's post on July 12th..... featuring Freddy

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

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http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/phoenix1794/19750740_3679508de2_o.jpg

I've had this complete photo for a year.  I don't understand the question regarding the hand on Satish's shoulder, it is Joran's hand.  There is nothing "funny" in this photo to me at all.

[mishy]

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The answer to your inquiry would be Justinsmama...

Hope you are all having a great day

[San]

Nut- Yes, in that photo left to right:

Satish, Joran, Deepak, Freddy

I believe it's a bartender in the back

I have seen this picture before but never knew it was a bartender in the back.  Makes you wonder if he is the one who slipped the drug in Natalee's drink.

San the reason I say that is he resembles a bartender at CnC I've seen in alot of webshots photos.  I could be wrong.

You are usually right so I will go with he is the bartendar.  Thanks Klaas.

[klaasend]

Morning! How is everyone?

It's been so long since I've seen the uncropped photo, that I had forgotten it. Does anyone know when the picture was taken?

CBB - I don't remember if the photo came from Joran's original tickle site or if it came from elsewhere.  Would be pretty hard to determine when the photo was taken.  The only thing noticibly different in the photo is Freddy's hair.  Other than that, based on the appearance of Jk2 I'd say it could have been taken around March 2005.

[sharon]

Explanation on the picture --

The picture had been 'cropped' when it originally hit the internet. Freddy had been cropped out.

Simian (Merrian Ernest) had made the comment about the 'hand' -- he wanted us to know there must have been a fourth in the picture.

The 'uncropped' picture surfaced -- and you can see it is Freddy.

See -- nothing that mysterious. Except that Simian wanted to make sure we knew that Freddy was in the original picture. Why??

I don't know where the picture came from originally -- or who initially cropeed it.

[mishy]

I saw that on BFN, but I didn't understand the business about the hand.  Do you?

What business about the hand? Do you mean Satish's limp wrist?          

[crazybabyborg]

Joran's hand/arm is draped over Satish's shoulder. Joran had stated that he had only known Deepak for 3 months, so I was wondering when the pic was taken. It looks, to me it was taken very near the time Nat went missing. Kids change quickly, and they all look the same to me as when they were arrested. I think we're looking at the same faces that Nat looked at that night. JMO.

[mishy]

Hey Jacquie:

Any updates on Uncle Mike I saw some good news on previous pages!

Waiting for official word today as to when he can hop a plane home.
Looks good.

OMG, that is terrific!!!!!! Glad I saw this today. I've gotta get back to work though...you monkeys are just so hard to stay away from    

[San]

Explanation on the picture --

The picture had been 'cropped' when it originally hit the internet. Freddy had been cropped out.

Simian (Merrian Ernest) had made the comment about the 'hand' -- he wanted us to know there must have been a fourth in the picture.

The 'uncropped' picture surfaced -- and you can see it is Freddy.

See -- nothing that mysterious. Except that Simian wanted to make sure we knew that Freddy was in the original picture. Why??

I don't know where the picture came from originally -- or who initially cropeed it.

Because Freddy is involved in what happened more than the Kalpoes.

[San]

Joran's hand/arm is draped over Satish's shoulder. Joran had stated that he had only known Deepak for 3 months, so I was wondering when the pic was taken. It looks, to me it was taken very near the time Nat went missing. Kids change quickly, and they all look the same to me as when they were arrested. I think we're looking at the same faces that Nat looked at that night. JMO.

I agree crazy.

[crazybabyborg]

That picture and the van recording go hand in hand, IMO. Within seconds of Jk2 being together, Freddy's name is brought up as relevent to their situation. Just like in the picture, he was cut out of the arrests, but when you look at the whole picture, he's there.

[crazybabyborg]

Explanation on the picture --

The picture had been 'cropped' when it originally hit the internet. Freddy had been cropped out.

Simian (Merrian Ernest) had made the comment about the 'hand' -- he wanted us to know there must have been a fourth in the picture.

The 'uncropped' picture surfaced -- and you can see it is Freddy.

See -- nothing that mysterious. Except that Simian wanted to make sure we knew that Freddy was in the original picture. Why??

I don't know where the picture came from originally -- or who initially cropeed it.

Because Freddy is involved in what happened more than the Kalpoes.

I think that is very possible, San.

[msmarple]

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[San]

That picture and the van recording go hand in hand, IMO. Within seconds of Jk2 being together, Freddy's name is brought up as relevent to their situation. Just like in the picture, he was cut out of the arrests, but when you look at the whole picture, he's there.

It was stated that Joran was afraid of someone.  I am going to say that Joran was afraid of Freddy and would never mess with him.  What is in Freddy's background to make Joran so fearful of him.

[Anna]

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Easy and I were wondering what the comment on the hand on the shoulder' as it relates to the comment of 'It can never be the hand of any of the three'....I think, lol.

BFN>>post by gagirl today:
And then Simian's post on July 12th..... featuring Freddy

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three. {end of quote}


Good morning, all.


I think I understand the problem.  The photo first went around to lots with just J2K and with Freddie cropped out.  Some even thought it good to crop out an "innocent" person since he was not a suspect.  So if you remove Freddie, it leave a mystery hand on DEEPAK's shoulder.

It is basic mistakes like this that caused me not to have much faith in the Riddlers.   They and others were always confusing Deepak and Satish because the younger one is taller, I think.  He is referring to Freddie's hand on Deepak's shoulder that showed up as unattached to anybody when this photo first made the rounds.

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[crazybabyborg]

This is old ground, but could someone refresh my memory, please? There has always been rumor that Joran had a friend at the house........maybe it was more than rumor, but I can't remember what it's based on. And then I thought we knew that Freddy had worked the night Nat went missing...is that right? He was bartending at a nearby bar?
Somebody straighten me out, please?

[klaasend]

This is old ground, but could someone refresh my memory, please? There has always been rumor that Joran had a friend at the house........maybe it was more than rumor, but I can't remember what it's based on. And then I thought we knew that Freddy had worked the night Nat went missing...is that right? He was bartending at a nearby bar?
Somebody straighten me out, please?

Melody - Joran's exgirlfriend and current friend posted at RWV that Freddy spent the night at Joran's house that night.  

The alibi Freddy supposidly had for the night is that he was at a family party.   I don't remember hearing anything about him working that night but we have found out since that at some time...don't know when...he was working as a bartender at Champions Bar at the Marriott.