Lively Case Discussion #486 7/3 - 7/4/2006

[San]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html

(snipped)
But you clearly don't have the bod, the patter, or the attitude of Karen and her micro-mini'd ilk. All the usual suspects from the South Beach scene agree that most people living the high life without paying for it are the beautiful, traffickers in the beautiful, celebrities, or people from the nightlife, fashion, or music industries. "You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline. (snipped)

That says a lot doesn't it.

They left out prostitution and porn industries.  

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Yes they did Anna.

[BTgirl]

Good morning monkeys,

I think Freddy is totally creepy and capable of anything.

Everytime I see a photo of him it makes me cringe.

[Lala'sMom]

Explanation on the picture --

The picture had been 'cropped' when it originally hit the internet. Freddy had been cropped out.

Simian (Merrian Ernest) had made the comment about the 'hand' -- he wanted us to know there must have been a fourth in the picture.

The 'uncropped' picture surfaced -- and you can see it is Freddy.

See -- nothing that mysterious. Except that Simian wanted to make sure we knew that Freddy was in the original picture. Why??

I don't know where the picture came from originally -- or who initially cropeed it.

As my Shango meter went off earlier, I was about to say just exactly what Sharon said so I will leave her explanation as a very appropriate one indeed.  Thanks Sharon.

[crazybabyborg]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html

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But you clearly don't have the bod, the patter, or the attitude of Karen and her micro-mini'd ilk. All the usual suspects from the South Beach scene agree that most people living the high life without paying for it are the beautiful, traffickers in the beautiful, celebrities, or people from the nightlife, fashion, or music industries. "You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline. (snipped)

Doesn't sound to me that Freddy's family would welcome the exposing spotlight of this case focused on them, and that there might be retribution on anyone who would bring it their way. "Clubland" isn't exactly squeaky clean and a real eyebrow raiser to look further, IMO. That's not the kind of thing you just find sitting in your lap, especially in that "neck of the woods".

[klaasend]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html

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But you clearly don't have the bod, the patter, or the attitude of Karen and her micro-mini'd ilk. All the usual suspects from the South Beach scene agree that most people living the high life without paying for it are the beautiful, traffickers in the beautiful, celebrities, or people from the nightlife, fashion, or music industries. "You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline. (snipped)

That says a lot doesn't it.

They left out prostitution and porn industries.  

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Yes they did Anna.

Not really  

[Nut44x4]

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Easy and I were wondering what the comment on the hand on the shoulder' as it relates to the comment of 'It can never be the hand of any of the three'....I think, lol.

BFN>>post by gagirl today:
And then Simian's post on July 12th..... featuring Freddy

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three. {end of quote}


Good morning, all.


I think I understand the problem.  The photo first went around to lots with just J2K and with Freddie cropped out.  Some even thought it good to crop out an "innocent" person since he was not a suspect.  So if you remove Freddie, it leave a mystery hand on DEEPAK's shoulder.

It is basic mistakes like this that caused me not to have much faith in the Riddlers.   They and others were always confusing Deepak and Satish because the younger one is taller, I think.  He is referring to Freddie's hand on Deepak's shoulder that showed up as unattached to anybody when this photo first made the rounds.

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OK.....I get that part now...mistaken identity, so to speak.
I have never spent enough time reading Shango/Simian stuff to know much about it anyway. In my opinion, if these people know anything at all then it is very cruel to write in code the way they do and I do not have the time nor the patience to follow it.

[San]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2004-02-26/news/feature.html

(snipped)
But you clearly don't have the bod, the patter, or the attitude of Karen and her micro-mini'd ilk. All the usual suspects from the South Beach scene agree that most people living the high life without paying for it are the beautiful, traffickers in the beautiful, celebrities, or people from the nightlife, fashion, or music industries. "You're either well connected, or you wait in line and pay your money," says Ernesto Arambatzis, a promoter of events at the Delano and Mynt, who entered clubland a decade ago through the modeling pipeline. (snipped)

That says a lot doesn't it.

They left out prostitution and porn industries.  

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Yes they did Anna.

Not really  

Good catch Klaas.

[terryd270]

BTgirl,

How are you today?  I assume no fires to put out on your property?

[Tess LaCoyle]

Another Google hit re Freddy's big brother:

"Our pleadings to the glam-gods were answered one Tuesday night with a very cool party called "The Loft @ Rumi" put on by owner Alan Roth and savage boy-toy, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis."

And the picture is not to be missed:
http://www.southbeach-usa.com/columns/news-boy/newsboy55.htm

[klaasend]

What I find curious about Ernesto, is if you search his name you find articles going back to 2000 and reference his coming onto the CLUB scene in Florida around 1994.  The last article is see referencing Ernesto's name is in May 2005, nothing after that  

[terryd270]

BTGirl,

I think raccoons are totally creepy and capable of anything.

Everytime I see a photo of them it makes me cringe..  Now you know

how I feel when I come over to visit..

[BTgirl]

BTgirl,

How are you today?  I assume no fires to put out on your property?

Hi Terry.

No fires, thanks to Mother Nature.

It started raining about dark  

[Lala'sMom]

Okay, here we go again....Shango and Simian are who now again???  Someone please prove to me that those we think are these two really are them.  Just throwing that out there for more discussion.  I have waited patiently for answers and proof that who everyone thinks these people are really are those people.  Yes, I know I have just confused us all but I am still waiting.  I want answers!!!

[BTgirl]

BTGirl,

I think raccoons are totally creepy and capable of anything.

Everytime I see a photo of them it makes me cringe..  Now you know

how I feel when I come over to visit..

Maybe all the raccoons are related to Freddy.

[crazybabyborg]

Freddy was the reason that the assistant prosecutor, working with KJ, resigned. She felt he needed to be questioned further, and ALE wouldn't do it. Apparently KJ didn't push either. KJ has tremendous weight to throw around is she just chose to use it. A microphone gives her a voice to the world, and she can get around roadblocks by speaking up. She's playing along, IMO.

[Tylergal]

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Easy and I were wondering what the comment on the hand on the shoulder' as it relates to the comment of 'It can never be the hand of any of the three'....I think, lol.

BFN>>post by gagirl today:
And then Simian's post on July 12th..... featuring Freddy

Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look. A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three. {end of quote}


Good morning, all.


I think I understand the problem.  The photo first went around to lots with just J2K and with Freddie cropped out.  Some even thought it good to crop out an "innocent" person since he was not a suspect.  So if you remove Freddie, it leave a mystery hand on DEEPAK's shoulder.

It is basic mistakes like this that caused me not to have much faith in the Riddlers.   They and others were always confusing Deepak and Satish because the younger one is taller, I think.  He is referring to Freddie's hand on Deepak's shoulder that showed up as unattached to anybody when this photo first made the rounds.

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OK.....I get that part now...mistaken identity, so to speak.
I have never spent enough time reading Shango/Simian stuff to know much about it anyway. In my opinion, if these people know anything at all then it is very cruel to write in code the way they do and I do not have the time nor the patience to follow it.

I think Simian and Shango are island sympathizers who want to tease the family and lead them off the path of those who are involved by making up this riddle.  Of course, there is a lot to the riddle.  We know it's about useless human beings who are involved in this for money and we know they employ people to kill people, to bury people and we know that the VDS/VDS families are right in the "Middle of the Island" involved in this, but that does not a prosecution make.  If S&S wanted to help, they would take evidence to our FBI to ensure that someone is prosecuted and the family knows what happened.  Enough of their BS.

[Tylergal]

The part of "the other boyfriend" was information she was getting from Bon Dia who is trying to make Natalee the perpetrator and not the victim.  The truth about them is they wanted to cast espersions on Natalee, not the beloved primo crimo on the island.

[terryd270]

crazybabyborg,

I agree and thats what makes this simple case so frustrating, so many hidden agendas on that island.. I was keep praying that they will start feeding on each other when they realized that they made some bad decisions on the coverup..

[San]

What I find curious about Ernesto, is if you search his name you find articles going back to 2000 and reference his coming onto the CLUB scene in Florida around 1994.  The last article is see referencing Ernesto's name is in May 2005, nothing after that  

Like he dropped off the face of the earth.  Do you think Freddy was making these movies and selling or giving them to his older brother for his clients.

[Tylergal]

Freddy was the reason that the assistant prosecutor, working with KJ, resigned. She felt he needed to be questioned further, and ALE wouldn't do it. Apparently KJ didn't push either. KJ has tremendous weight to throw around is she just chose to use it. A microphone gives her a voice to the world, and she can get around roadblocks by speaking up. She's playing along, IMO.

Playing along and taking the pay all along.  I think JQK might have a retirement surprise for her.