Lively Case Discussion #530 10/7 - 10/11/2006

[Anna]

Well, see you guys later, much later tonight.  Keep things together  for us Anna, you can be hall monitor until my return.  don't anyone take Shango's name in vain.  

Oh, boy!  Did ya'll see that?  I am sharpening all the pencils I own right now just in case!



I'm all ready but first I have to go and some more as I continue to find forensic evidence of those mice!  ALE could learn a thing or two from me today as I do this.  On the third load of sheets and towels in the laundry, too.  They had better not come back is all I can tell the mice!  

 

[San]

Probably since birth.  He was so ugly they couldn't stand having him in the same room  

   

[San]

If the sleeping quarter's for the VDS family, are in the building closest to the gate, then it really is strange that it would take PVDS so long to appear on May 31, 2005,  while the police were honking horns and waking up the neighbours.

I agree.  If someone is honking the horn in the middle of the night in front of my house I get out of bed to see who it is.  My house is very long.  My room is in the back of house and I would hear it.  I will never believe Paulus was sleeping.  The horn would sound even louder in the night because you wouldn't have the busy traffic like you have during the day.

[Anna]

If the sleeping quarter's for the VDS family, are in the building closest to the gate, then it really is strange that it would take PVDS so long to appear on May 31, 2005,  while the police were honking horns and waking up the neighbours.

I agree.  If someone is honking the horn in the middle of the night in front of my house I get out of bed to see who it is.  My house is very long.  My room is in the back of house and I would hear it.  I will never believe Paulus was sleeping.  The horn would sound even louder in the night because you wouldn't have the busy traffic like you have during the day.

He wasn't asleep.  And Deepak's car was just there first time CCroes went by, member?  I'd say he was frantically destroying evidence.  What he did not send away in the car with Deepak and Joran, that is.

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[klaasend]

VDS home photos from Bonsai:










Another view:

[2NJSons_Mom]

The last photo, aerial view....where is the road...looks like grass to me....my memory needs refreshing.

[klaasend]

The last photo, aerial view....where is the road...looks like grass to me....my memory needs refreshing.

The road is actually on the side closer to Joran's apartment.

[klaasend]

[Florida]

View from the rear:

On left the neighbor's monkey cage
On right: A fence & gate going to pool area

I never understood why Deepak would park inside the locked gates...& also why there are separate buildings to the residence....

[Pita]

Every time I start to post something, I will remember that Jug reads here.
It seems that Joran has had his own apt. since he was 15 according to the article "Joran is a Delicious Youth".  
Jerry, the ?? year old virgin, really does have the surname Strawberry?
Anna:   You have a way with those subtle zingers.  

Jerry Strawberry is also known as Cheremy Croes, which I believe is his birth name.  Since he is often seen with Steve Croes in the Aruban clubs, I wonder if he is related in some way to him??

[Leslie]

A few observations about the VDS compound; Jorans' apt looks like it is about a third of the size of the rest of the family's sleeping quarters.
Their cesspool must be outside the fenced in the area between Joran's apt and the main house.   I would not want to live there because I would sick and tired of carrying groceries from the car, past the pool and into the main quarters.  
Anna:  I do not believe Paul was "deep asleep" as Anita said he was.  I think he had been tipped off by Charles Croes "major friend" and told the boys to leave and that he would handle everything.  I think he then went to the well stocked VDS bar and knocked back a couple.

[Shizaru]

Shizaru - this is my understanding of the layout.  The computer would be in (1) the main room, dining and family room.  I'm not so sure there wasn't more than one computer in that house though:

Could you add the gate to this map, so it's clear where the road is?

[Leslie]

The gate would be under the word HOUSE in the picture.

[klaasend]

Every time I start to post something, I will remember that Jug reads here.
It seems that Joran has had his own apt. since he was 15 according to the article "Joran is a Delicious Youth".  
Jerry, the ?? year old virgin, really does have the surname Strawberry?
Anna:   You have a way with those subtle zingers.  

Jerry Strawberry is also known as Cheremy Croes, which I believe is his birth name.  Since he is often seen with Steve Croes in the Aruban clubs, I wonder if he is related in some way to him??

I haven't found the name of Croes with Jerry/Cheremy, but his real first name does appear to be Cheremy.  From Steve Croes Zorpia site he lists him as Jerry Strawberry:



http://www.zorpia.com/djdiablo669/album/415038

[klaasend]

The gate would be under the word HOUSE in the picture.

Thanks Leslie - that what I was thinking as well.

[Shizaru]

The gate would be under the word HOUSE in the picture.

Thanks Leslie - that what I was thinking as well.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.. I meant could you mark the location of the gate?  I am adding this photo to the TL

[Leslie]

In the aerial view of the VDS House where the buildings are numbered 1,2,3-what is that at the bottom of the screen beside the word image? (The credits for the picture)  Could that be their cesspool cover?

[klaasend]

I think  

[klaasend]

In the aerial view of the VDS House where the buildings are numbered 1,2,3-what is that at the bottom of the screen beside the word image? (The credits for the picture)  Could that be their cesspool cover?

I believe that's not even on their property.  Their cesspool cover would be on their property.

[Anna]

People seem to drive just anywhere they want to, doesn't have to be designated as a road.

Yes, anything could be taken out the back, side, etc. with people even at the gate.  That is what has always bothered me about the bogus stalling.  That view of the wrong side of the main residence looks more like a normal approach to a house.

.jmo