Lively Case Discussion #530 10/7 - 10/11/2006

[Kat_Gram]

We can only see Freddie's house from the end or side.  The front could look like most anything making it very hard to track down.  Is there not an address known for his family?  Phone book, arrest sheet, anything with an address for him?

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I just saw an address today. I will go back and find it.

[JA]

Looking at the photos of the Sloot compound, it looks like the buildings are not at all connected.  So this means they have to go outside to leave the main compound to go to bed at night?  That is a strange arrangement, especially in inclement weather.  Am I not seeing where they are connected somehow?

If the boys are used to entertaining, regardless if in Joran's apartment or not and are in #1 part of the house, it is doubtful that Anita and Paulus even know what they are up to, if they retire early.  They are probably used to the boys coming and going late at night, so I doubt Joran was concerned about waking anyone.

[Shizaru]

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Perfect! Thanks

Can you tell from the interior photos on which end of the main house the computer would have been located?

Shiz,

Are you writing a book or what???   I think at the bottom of your timeline you may have to make a signature line thanking Klaas and Sunfreak for all their good help in this.  They have the most patience I have ever seen with your edits.  

I've put it at the begining:

"This is a complete, sourced timeline of all case-related info including all statement/document info released to date.  Will edit/update as necessary.  Photo maps thanks to Klaasend and Sunfreak2 on SM."

[Anna]

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I wish we had SOMEONE with TECHNICAL WRITING SKILLS who would prepare us a short, one page document on GHB we could print and use ourselves without having to pay or order.

Young thugs have no business rendering anybody unconscious.  They lack the basic skills in regard to human safety and will kill people doing this.  Not everyone will react the same way and one needs to know all sorts of data such as amount of alcohol consumed before hand, any other meds the target is taking, any allergies and body weight just for starters.  Hardly the stuff of barroom chat!

But if we had our own page prepared by say someone who is PROFESSIONALLY skilled at this, we could just print it for free and give to the young people we know who would benefit from it.  I don't like to print copyrighted material off the net for fear of legal implications, etc.

Now who could do this for us that is really really good with making documents and might volunteer. . .. . . . . . . . .????  And the grammar, vocab, and all the rest?  Huummm. . . . . . . . .
 

 

[msmarple]

TY 2NJ!!! will pass along....

also...forgot to mention obvious drugs in Nats system in above post msmarple..

Oh yeah, FOM .... definitely a REASON why they couldn't properly (humanely) deal with whatever happened to Natalee. Lots of possibilities.

[Kat_Gram]

VDS cars:





Freddy's house and silver car:

is the address 39 Montana ? or do I not understand their streeet numbering sytem ?
VDS number on the front of the gate is 19 MON

[Anna]

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I've put it at the begining:

"This is a complete, sourced timeline of all case-related info including all statement/document info released to date.  Will edit/update as necessary.  Photo maps thanks to Klaasend and Sunfreak2 on SM."

Well, good.  Even though you are male and not my internet daugher, I am still sort of your internet mom and just checking your manners.     Their patience has been remarkable and you should end up with a professional looking document.  

Those maps give me a headache and I would NEVER have the patience to adjust and correct, etc. especially on those, too.  

We are lucky to have those two as participants on this forum.

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[Anna]

Looking at the photos of the Sloot compound, it looks like the buildings are not at all connected.  So this means they have to go outside to leave the main compound to go to bed at night?  That is a strange arrangement, especially in inclement weather.  Am I not seeing where they are connected somehow?

If the boys are used to entertaining, regardless if in Joran's apartment or not and are in #1 part of the house, it is doubtful that Anita and Paulus even know what they are up to, if they retire early.  They are probably used to the boys coming and going late at night, so I doubt Joran was concerned about waking anyone.

JA,
No, they are not connected which makes the refusal to search at the Sloot residence just ludicrous.  Sure, those PIMPS could be in the main house doing just about anything and if the parents are asleep in the sleeping quarters, who's to know?  Same for Joran's apartment.

Aruba is desert or semi-arid so it seldom rains and is never cold so guess there is very little inclement weather at all.  And Anita even told us that Paulus is a VERY sound sleeper.  But I doubt these parents would interfere with much anyway.  

Still, it should have been ALL searched.  I have often wondered if the main house was also the intended STUDIO area for any of Freddie's productions.  Lots of room there.

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[msmarple]

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I wish we had SOMEONE with TECHNICAL WRITING SKILLS who would prepare us a short, one page document on GHB we could print and use ourselves without having to pay or order.
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Now who could do this for us that is really really good with making documents and might volunteer. . .. . . . . . . . .????  And the grammar, vocab, and all the rest?  Huummm. . . . . . . . .
 

 

   You talkin' to ME?  

I'll see what I can do. But DEA web site is probably the best, and where I'll get it.

[Anna]

[is the address 39 Montana ? or do I not understand their street numbering system ?
VDS number on the front of the gate is 19 MON

KatGram,
I don't understand their street numbering system either.    Nor much of anything else there.   But I am hoping Sunfreak does and can check this against her finding for a Freddie house.  Like Klaas, I understood from I think it was Melody that Freddie lives VERY close by.  

Maybe she only meant relatively so or closer than she herself lived.

Anyway, maybe we can check this against the Googleearth photo?  Or Sunfreak can?  I can't find my own house as it is just a blur and nothing I do seems to make it clear like these photos of Aruba.  I wonder why.  

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[Kat_Gram]

Yes, Joran says Goodnight, then goes out. How would Papa and Mama
know any different ? Joran could just jump that back fence also.
Well, even if they knew, they didn't seem to be doing anything about it.
That episode when Karen M went to the police and was put off from making a formal complaint, do you think the parents were called ?

[Anna]

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I wish we had SOMEONE with TECHNICAL WRITING SKILLS who would prepare us a short, one page document on GHB we could print and use ourselves without having to pay or order.
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Now who could do this for us that is really really good with making documents and might volunteer. . .. . . . . . . . .????  And the grammar, vocab, and all the rest?  Huummm. . . . . . . . .
 

 

   You talkin' to ME?  

I'll see what I can do. But DEA web site is probably the best, and where I'll get it.

Well, I always heard it's the hit dog that hollers.  . . . .old country wisdom.

Klaas, is this a good idea or not?  What do others think???

Personally, I would like a free page to just print, one we own so to speak.  

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[SunFreak2]

Shizaru - no I can't tell.  Seems to me the dining area would be on the pool side, but I could be wrong.  I looked at this photo and there doesn't appear to be an area for a computer in the dining room.

I reposted this as it is one of my fav photos of the Delicious Sporter.  Note he is the only one eating without the benefit of cutlery.  I find that odd.  Is he having something different from the others?  I doubt it.  Guess he just can't be bothered with such trivia?

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Behind Paulus is a door leading to the outside of the house.  That door is in the middle of the sets of windows in the arial photo.  At the far end of the room is an archway & door, which is the door leading out to the pool area.

[klaasend]

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I wish we had SOMEONE with TECHNICAL WRITING SKILLS who would prepare us a short, one page document on GHB we could print and use ourselves without having to pay or order.
<snip>
Now who could do this for us that is really really good with making documents and might volunteer. . .. . . . . . . . .????  And the grammar, vocab, and all the rest?  Huummm. . . . . . . . .
 

 

   You talkin' to ME?  

I'll see what I can do. But DEA web site is probably the best, and where I'll get it.

Well, I always heard it's the hit dog that hollers.  . . . .old country wisdom.

Klaas, is this a good idea or not?  What do others think???

Personally, I would like a free page to just print, one we own so to speak.  

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I'm working on it right now Anna.  There's alot of info and I'm trying to fit into one page.  

[San]

This is where I think the interior of where they are eating is.

[SunFreak2]

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When the police and the family pulled up to the VDS that night, Paulus said he wanted to talk to VAL. Odd ? Yes. That is why he was slow coming to the door.

I thought it was VAL that had to go wake up Paulus.  Then Val asked him what was going on.

[Ono]

Well one thing is certain: Much could go on undetected by any parents (if they were so inclined) within that compound...especially in regards to Joran's quarters.

[Kat_Gram]

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When the police and the family pulled up to the VDS that night, Paulus said he wanted to talk to VAL. Odd ? Yes. That is why he was slow coming to the door.

I thought it was VAL that had to go wake up Paulus.  Then Val asked him what was going on.

yes, it was Val that woke him up, but the delay was that Paulus wanted to talk to Val.

[Anna]

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I'm working on it right now Anna.  There's alot of info and I'm trying to fit into one page.  

Wow, Klaas, you are on the ball today!!  I always hate to ask anything of you as you are so busy with all our requests but I do think this would be great and also a good opener for adults to discuss this with young people who are more likely to be targets.

Can discuss and give the sheet as follow up.  Or if they won't listen, give sheet and insist they read at their convenience.  It just might prevent some tragedies in the making on BOTH sides of this issue.  These punks need to know that it is just not that simple to render a human being unconscious with no ill effects.

Remember there are those who say they have never fully recovered from just such an episode of being drugged with something in this dating or bar scene.  But we all need to keep this in the back of our minds when in  strange surroundings alone or any vulnerable scenario.  

People are VERY complex and can't be just turned on and off like a switch as some simple-minded seem to think.  Giving A a pill will not result in the same results as giving it to B or C or D.

[JA]

Maybe at this point Val knew little of what had gone down.  Paulus was hoping he could just ignore the polis and they'd temporarily go away.  When Val woke him up, he knew he had to answer the door, and make sure that Val didn't say anyhting incriminating against Paulus or Joran.  Val could say something unaware of possible implications.  Paulus may have been telling Val not to open his mouth, and possibly trying to find out where Joran was at the present time, or as many of us think warning Joran of what was happeneing.