Lively Case Discussion #530 10/7 - 10/11/2006

[NM]

I think Jimmy Buffett has a new song Bama Breezes or something like that to benefit hurricane victime still trying to recover??

No, I don't know him but some of us might.

Hi Anna - yes, I saw that at the web site, about Bama Breezes. He went to Auburn ...

Now that I think of it, what about Alabama - the band? I read somewhere, maybe the VF article, that the DJ at C&C would crank up "Sweet Home Alabama" when the MB kids came in ...

You know - just any tie-in that would keep the story churning.

I would want some advice about what kind of help to request before pursuing either Alabama or J Buffett.

Hey MsM!
I recall someone mentioning the MB kids requesting/playing Sweet Home Ala. That is sung by lynard skynard who come from Jacksonville, FL.
Don't ask how and why I know that.

Morning Monks!

[San]

first deny you even know Natlalee  --  stupid JERK JORAN


see, thats the most telling to me, he spends some time with Natalee
and then denies he even knows who she is

WHAT A JERK
i hate him

So true robots.  When he denied knowing who she was shows how guilty he is.  Him and his father are both murderers.

yep, its because he was surprised and was not expecting the family to be there, he was in SHOCK.

so what does he do?  he acts STUPID and dumb like
"huh?  what girl? no, i dont recognize her at all"

what a fat ass SPORTER liar, it was such a STUPID lie because
k2 and others knew he was with her.

he was SHOCKED, not scared he could not get his little ANT brain working fast enough to come up with a good lie, so he just goes into DENIAL MODE
i think that is what true KILLERS do, just deny everything when confronted until they have time to WEAVE a more compicated LOAD of LIES

i hate him

Exactly.  He sure was in shock.  They never expected them to come knocking on his door.  They thought they were dealing with a bunch of stupid Americans.

[NM]

I would love a recording of the conversations from when pvds slinked out of their cave when the Twittys+ arrived until the turds were arrested June9.  I suspect pvds was tellling the polis to cover him and to go along w/ him while they started up the disinformation monster machine.

[msmarple]

Hey MsM!
I recall someone mentioning the MB kids requesting/playing Sweet Home Ala. That is sung by lynard skynard who come from Jacksonville, FL.
Don't ask how and why I know that.

Morning Monks!

Oooops,    my bad.

Well,    we'll just add LS into the loop - I think they're still out there?

[San]

I would love a recording of the conversations from when pvds slinked out of their cave when the Twittys+ arrived until the turds were arrested June9.  I suspect pvds was tellling the polis to cover him and to go along w/ him while they started up the disinformation monster machine.

Yep.

Paulus probably said to the cops hi boys it's me again.  I need a little help here.  My psycho son killed someone again and we need to do our little routine for these Americans.  Let's take them on a wild goose chase so my son can hide the body that's in my house.  Don't say anything but Joran is really hiding in the house with Freddy and Deepak.  Thanks for your help you won't be forgotten.  In fact come by later for your little envelopes I have prepared for you.

[terryd270]

I just want to share how I see things.. In the beginning of the case we watched the ALE doing things that none of us would believe and when we asked why weren't they doing what we would considered normal detective work, they said that we were interfering with their work..  We were watching the coverup live and they were mad because we were watching..  I lost any kind of hope coming from Holland and Aruba because of this openly disreguard of Natalee's family..  I mean most con artist will hide the removing of the balls under the cup but not the ALE, they just remove it and then tell us that we shouldn't of been looking or they wouldn't of had to remove the ball..  Well I need to do somethings just my opinion and its really hasn't changed much since the beginning..

td

[San]

I just want to share how I see things.. In the beginning of the case we watched the ALE doing things that none of us would believe and when we asked why weren't they doing what we would considered normal detective work, they said that we were interfering with their work..  We were watching the coverup live and they were mad because we were watching..  I lost any kind of hope coming from Holland and Aruba because of this openly disreguard of Natalee's family..  I mean most con artist will hide the removing of the balls under the cup but not the ALE, they just remove it and then tell us that we shouldn't of been looking or they wouldn't of had to remove the ball..  Well I need to do somethings just my opinion and its really hasn't changed much since the beginning..

td

Terry I totally agree with everything you just said.

[Nut44x4]

I don't think there will be any news until the Dutch Team has finished their work. They are not going to go out for dinner with Joe T. and engage in backslappin' good ole' boy behaviour like Dolphi Richardson did. And take their cues from anyone on that steamy pile of CR&P of an Island. Or get Julia / ScubaJap / to " help"  .
We don't have all the statements. There are parts of Paulus's that are missing. Koen, Guidos / where are the statements from Steve Croes ? Where did he go after Carlos & Charlies ? What did Freaky Freddy have to say ? Why was Guido questioned so many times ? Why did he bolt so quickly from Aruba / Why was he declared a suspect in February of 2006 ? Why the " heavy battery " charge if his involvement was limited to the next night, the Monday, playing cards with Joran in a casino ?
We might never see any of the above information, but we have to wait for the results... any arrests ? Anyone in ALE prosecuted ?
Plus, there is " Deep Throat " . Patience is not something I have in adundance, but just because it appears there is no news, doesn't mean there is nothing happening.
Then there is the question of Interpol. What are they looking at ?

Isn't it understood that they can't even question the three original suspects.......WHAT IS THE POINT......WHY are they going to Aruba. HELLO.....this is all fun and games for them. It is out of control. This is so SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE .......comedy it isn't funny. WE WANT ANSWERS. How do they expect answers if they cannot question the perps.....????

[Kimmy53]

I just want to share how I see things.. In the beginning of the case we watched the ALE doing things that none of us would believe and when we asked why weren't they doing what we would considered normal detective work, they said that we were interfering with their work..  We were watching the coverup live and they were mad because we were watching..  I lost any kind of hope coming from Holland and Aruba because of this openly disreguard of Natalee's family..  I mean most con artist will hide the removing of the balls under the cup but not the ALE, they just remove it and then tell us that we shouldn't of been looking or they wouldn't of had to remove the ball..  Well I need to do somethings just my opinion and its really hasn't changed much since the beginning..

td

Terry I totally agree with everything you just said.

Me too.  So blatant. Grrr

[2NJSons_Mom]

I just want to share how I see things.. In the beginning of the case we watched the ALE doing things that none of us would believe and when we asked why weren't they doing what we would considered normal detective work, they said that we were interfering with their work..  We were watching the coverup live and they were mad because we were watching..  I lost any kind of hope coming from Holland and Aruba because of this openly disreguard of Natalee's family..  I mean most con artist will hide the removing of the balls under the cup but not the ALE, they just remove it and then tell us that we shouldn't of been looking or they wouldn't of had to remove the ball..  Well I need to do somethings just my opinion and its really hasn't changed much since the beginning..

td

Terry I totally agree with everything you just said.

Hey, your posts made me think of this, posted a month after Natalee disappeared....just wanted to give give Lala's a tango moment when she gets here:  

137: Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:11 am

All Secrets are hidden in Plain View

[terryd270]

I'm heading down to Starbucks to get a Pumpkin Spice Latte, I will bring back some for you too.. I'm doing yard work and I just wanted to share this with you..  CYa later..

[Kat_Gram]

I would love a recording of the conversations from when pvds slinked out of their cave when the Twittys+ arrived until the turds were arrested June9.  I suspect pvds was tellling the polis to cover him and to go along w/ him while they started up the disinformation monster machine.

I would like to know who Paulus called after the HT's left that night. He was on an interview program, NOVA and he said he didn't make any calls, then when it was over, he said he ' might ' have made a call.
Always the Dufus from the Ditch.
Deepak has a pee when stuff happens, Satish was sleping, Paulus doesn't remember. Deepak also has a memory problem as  he didn't remember all the details of the conversations they had with Paulus when he wasn't having a pee pee.
And Karin wants to see Natalee's Yearbook and needs to know IF there is a family history of being related to Hitler. Because that is really important Chit and the case cannot be solved without that information.  
She might want to play " Freebird " for clues.  
Oh, in Joran's senior class, the boy with the IQ off the " charts " did not graduate FIRST in a group of NINE.

[Peaches]

I knew this whole deal was in the official crapper when Karin Janssen wrote to the US Government and wanted to know if Beth was related to Hitler.  That took the cake for me.  Yes, I knew many mistakes had been made previously but when the person who decides who get prosecuted pulled that outta her hat, what else can you do but throw up your hands in disgust?  As if who Beth's relatives are has anything to do with why Natalee disappeared having last been in the company of wannabe gangstas- yes, your favorite and mine, Joran (Aren't I delicious) and his two drivers.  

That whole island and all their attorneys can bite me.  Joe T too.

[Kat_Gram]

I'm heading down to Starbucks to get a Pumpkin Spice Latte, I will bring back some for you too.. I'm doing yard work and I just wanted to share this with you..  CYa later..

I'll take mine with Sugar Free Sweetner , please.

[Kat_Gram]

I don't think there will be any news until the Dutch Team has finished their work. They are not going to go out for dinner with Joe T. and engage in backslappin' good ole' boy behaviour like Dolphi Richardson did. And take their cues from anyone on that steamy pile of CR&P of an Island. Or get Julia / ScubaJap / to " help"  .
We don't have all the statements. There are parts of Paulus's that are missing. Koen, Guidos / where are the statements from Steve Croes ? Where did he go after Carlos & Charlies ? What did Freaky Freddy have to say ? Why was Guido questioned so many times ? Why did he bolt so quickly from Aruba / Why was he declared a suspect in February of 2006 ? Why the " heavy battery " charge if his involvement was limited to the next night, the Monday, playing cards with Joran in a casino ?
We might never see any of the above information, but we have to wait for the results... any arrests ? Anyone in ALE prosecuted ?
Plus, there is " Deep Throat " . Patience is not something I have in adundance, but just because it appears there is no news, doesn't mean there is nothing happening.
Then there is the question of Interpol. What are they looking at ?

Isn't it understood that they can't even question the three original suspects.......WHAT IS THE POINT......WHY are they going to Aruba. HELLO.....this is all fun and games for them. It is out of control. This is so SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE .......comedy it isn't funny. WE WANT ANSWERS. How do they expect answers if they cannot question the perps.....????

Well, I am naive , but hopeful. Maybe it is a lost cause. But, the Dutch Team couldn't be morons like the ones we've seen so far, could they ?

[Anna]

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I have no idea when I finally figured out that ALE took no forensic evidence from those last seen with Natalee but for me that did it.  That silly business about wire tapping (cell phone babies??  right, they'd never think of that now would they???     1950's technology!)  When I realized that none of that evidence was preserved and they did not do the normal fingernail scrapings, confiscate the clothing worn, etc. I knew there was no way to recover that material.  Why didn't they at least do the routine thing?

Remember Joran was still running around wearing the very shirt, yes same pattern plaid, or one identical to it for interviews smirking about it to us.  And like Mrs Red I think those are likely the shoes he was wearing that very night that he showed to us on Greta interview, again with the smirking.  Joran thinks this is just so funny.  No one going to think to test NEW shoes, are they?  Well, no, especially if they failed to even test the old ones or pretended they vanished or whatever.

ALE got away with accusing the family of Max deVries of insurance fraud and some still claim it was that until this very day.  That family should sue the pants off them for that.  But ALE has had their eye on the trust fund since the beginning with Dompig not only accusing Beth of a scam for insurance but trying to get their mitts on the money as well, claiming something about an Emergency Fund as though he has some right to an accounting of donations made to Beth.

  The Emergency is the corruption in ALE and Justice and Prosecution.  Oh, wait!  Not even illegal as they have no laws to cover corruption.  I guess like Murder and Crime it is so low they just never had to deal with it???  No, it is so rampant, they want to keep it just the way it is with all getting their greasy palms greased even more starting with Dennis "Frosty" Jacobs and going on to Gerald "mercedes" Dompig.  I would not be surprised if Oduber and Rudy Croes are getting their slice of the pie as well.  Financed likely by big gambling to keep things running smoothly and not draw too much attention to their operations.  Too late!

The "innocent" people of Aruba have allowed these people to hold office and that is why I don't feel much sympathy for them with their demonstration against Beth, etc.  Just as we in the U.S. deal with what our leaders do they have to as well.  

Enable at your own peril, Aruba.  

[Anna]

Joran and Deepak knew Natalee was not going to reappear when they were telling those whoppers to her family that first night.     They knew she would not be contradicting their little story and so they were free to add security guards or whatever since there was no one going to be around to point out their lies.

Wining money back for her, whatever, was OK because there was not going to be any Natalee setting the record straight.  They knew.   Graphic sexual details or whatever, didn't matter what they told and they knew this and it is why they felt so free to invent whatever suited them.  There was no one who could say otherwise and they knew it even at that point.  They knew it was OK to lie because Natalee wasn't still alive to catch them in it.

 

[Kat_Gram]

The case was thrown right from the get go.
Dennis Jacobs, Jan Van Der Stratten.
" The J2K didn't have anything to do with it. "
This was before any investigating was done.
The island is 74 square miles. The only place where they were not allowed to search was the home of the prime suspect.Ben King ( another Dutch buddy ) was there to ensure the ALE didn't overstep this.

[the big hammer]

Yes, they knew...

Anna writes: "Joran and Deepak knew Natalee was not going to reappear when they were telling those whoppers to her family that first night.  They knew she would not be contradicting their little story and so they were free to add security guards or whatever since there was no one going to be around to point out their lies..."

This simple observation delivers truth.  And this was going on during the very first nite: 5/31.

Great point, Anna.

Indeed.  They knew there was no other story to be heard, so their lies would go unchallenged.  Yet, they couldn't even get that straight and jk2 blew it re: the Hi security tape and then ended up framing the wrong guys.

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[Kimmy53]

The case was thrown right from the get go.
Dennis Jacobs, Jan Van Der Stratten.
" The J2K didn't have anything to do with it. "
This was before any investigating was done.
The island is 74 square miles. The only place where they were not allowed to search was the home of the prime suspect.Ben King ( another Dutch buddy ) was there to ensure the ALE didn't overstep this.

Kat I agree with you - it is SO clear. ALE didn't even try to "hide" their mishandling(but they don't think they did anything wrong) of this case.  I think a bunch of 2nd graders could have handled this better.

Anna - I also agree with your last 2 posts.  WHY the he** did they care about trust funds etc.?  Was it because ALL they consider is the "MONEY" part of anything?  That is how it works on Aruba with them... How much money do you have.  How much money can I get.  How much money can I screw someone out of.  How can I get someone elses money.  They think that because they work that way everyone else does. They have NO consideration for humanity. Its all money to them.