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« Reply #780 on: October 10, 2006, 09:37:17 PM »

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A couple things I am looking for:

1) Where does Joran say he left Natalee looking up at the stars?

2) What was the exact date that Dave and TES ended the landfill search and left Aruba?  Was probably around August 10.


From the Rachel Cook website:

Monday, August 1 through Sunday, August 7, 2005

Tim Miller, the director of Texas EquuSearch, and I flew back from Aruba on Monday. A small group will remain to finish the landfill search. Almost all of the leads on missing Natalee Holloway's case have been checked out.
http://www.rachelcookesearch.org/journal_aug2005.html

Shizaru - If I remember correctly TES was never able to finish the landfill search so effectively August 1st would have been the last day based on the above.


My landfill search start date must be wrong then, I have that as July 29, and Tim would have been there longer than 2 days.  

The fire at the landfill was Aug 12 and my recollection is that TES left just a couple days before the fire, it was close enough that Aruba tried to blame it on them... so I don't think the last TES personnel left until around the 10th. Unless my date for the fire is wrong too.  

I'm trying to nail down all the days that Beth and Dave were in Aruba, this is what I have:

Beth
Arrives 5/30
Leaves 7/29
Arrives 8/? possibly 8/8
Leaves 8/25
Arrives 11/1
Leaves 11/4


Dave
Arrives 6/2

Leaves 8/?
Arrives 8/18
Leaves 10/7

So I need at least 1 date for Beth and either 1 or 3 dates  for Dave, probably 3 for Dave because I don't think he was in Aruba the whole time from June 2 until August


Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.

8/12 Fire at the landfill blamed on TES
8/15 landfilled bulldozed

9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba
9/11 BHT leaves Aruba again

10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba
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« Reply #781 on: October 10, 2006, 09:42:24 PM »

KLAAS - I updated the Aruban Who's Who Page.  Will you do whatever it is you do to bring that post to the top of the page?  And mark it updated?  THANK YOU!
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« Reply #782 on: October 10, 2006, 09:44:23 PM »

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KLAAS - I updated the Aruban Who's Who Page.  Will you do whatever it is you do to bring that post to the top of the page?  And mark it updated?  THANK YOU!


Sure!
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« Reply #783 on: October 10, 2006, 09:52:53 PM »

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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.

8/12 Fire at the landfill blamed on TES
8/15 landfilled bulldozed

9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba
9/11 BHT leaves Aruba again

10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.


Did she visit Deepak her first day back, or did she return earlier?

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9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba


Thanks, I missed those, do you know what her return date was to Aruba between 8/25 and 9/4?


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10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


And what was the date that Dave left Aruba before returning on 10/18?  I'm guessing around 8/10
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« Reply #784 on: October 10, 2006, 10:11:22 PM »

i think one of the K2 brothers ( the weaker one ) got sick in the car

after he say what happend to Natalee

thats why they wanted to leave him out of things

was it satish ???


he puked, they had to clean it up
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« Reply #785 on: October 10, 2006, 10:13:55 PM »

i think they had been down this road before
k2 and Joran

i think they had done the exact same thing with their BOGUS alibies before, the End result was different of course but they knew how to make sure they appeared to be home on computer.

i hate them all
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« Reply #786 on: October 10, 2006, 10:15:23 PM »

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i think they had been down this road before
k2 and Joran

i think they had done the exact same thing with their BOGUS alibies before, the End result was different of course but they knew how to make sure they appeared to be home on computer.

i hate them all


Me too, robots, me too.
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« Reply #787 on: October 10, 2006, 10:59:55 PM »

seems like joran says that Natalee was fine and they were having a fun pleasant time and then OUT of the blue she becomes someone that
is difficult to get along with..


hmmmmmmmmm........smoke screen

JORAN the delicious SPORTER is a fat LIAR

PREDICTION- JORAN gains another 100 pounds in the next year  Twisted Evil
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« Reply #788 on: October 10, 2006, 11:01:11 PM »

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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.

8/12 Fire at the landfill blamed on TES
8/15 landfilled bulldozed

9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba
9/11 BHT leaves Aruba again

10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.


Did she visit Deepak her first day back, or did she return earlier?

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9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba


Thanks, I missed those, do you know what her return date was to Aruba between 8/25 and 9/4?


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10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


And what was the date that Dave left Aruba before returning on 10/18?  I'm guessing around 8/10


I have to do some rsearch on that.  My timeline is imcomplete on those dates.
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« Reply #789 on: October 10, 2006, 11:02:32 PM »

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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.

8/12 Fire at the landfill blamed on TES
8/15 landfilled bulldozed

9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba
9/11 BHT leaves Aruba again

10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


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Beth visited Deepak @ Cyberzone Cafe on 8/8.


Did she visit Deepak her first day back, or did she return earlier?

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9/4 BHT leaves ARuba
9/8 BHT returns to Aruba


Thanks, I missed those, do you know what her return date was to Aruba between 8/25 and 9/4?


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10/18 Dave retrunes to Aruba
10/27 Dave leaves Aruba


And what was the date that Dave left Aruba before returning on 10/18?  I'm guessing around 8/10


I have to do some rsearch on that.  My timeline is imcomplete on those dates.


According to Dave's book he was also in Aruba from Sept 15-20.
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« Reply #790 on: October 10, 2006, 11:06:53 PM »

The last time dave was in Aruba was when AMW producer was there doing the update story and they found that make shift cross Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #791 on: October 10, 2006, 11:14:03 PM »

DEEPAK is up to his EYEBALLS in this mess


if the emails from early on are really from him,

oh boy, he is as bad as Joran

still ready to stick it to the SECURITY GUARDS that he was willing to IDENTIFY

JORAN  YEP

DEEPAK YEP

now, lets review SATISH

he may be the MISSING LINK (  the weak one )

he can be cracked like an otter Cracks a clam  Cool
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« Reply #792 on: October 10, 2006, 11:16:23 PM »

An AMW Producer On The Search For Natalee Holloway
11/7/2005


AMW correspondent Rick Segall talks with Natalee Holloway's father, Dave in Aruba.AMW producer Rick Segall has been investigating the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway. He recently spent a week in Aruba with Natalee's dad, Dave Holloway.  
With so little communication and cooperation coming from the Aruban Police, Natalee's family and those trying to help them solve the case are forced to wander down whatever road presents itself. A case in point: The Dr. Phil scenario.


http://www.amw.com/features/feature_story_detail.cfm?id=864&mid=0
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« Reply #793 on: October 10, 2006, 11:22:25 PM »

Hello ... anyone who wants to talk about North Korea and nukes ... come on over to the political forum. We are discussing it.  Smile
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« Reply #794 on: October 10, 2006, 11:54:31 PM »

Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.

the part that i put in BOLD says it all

Joran could have prevented his father from being arrested if he would have told the truth about what really happened
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« Reply #795 on: October 10, 2006, 11:58:52 PM »

Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her. Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.

i think the flat tire was the "EXCUSE" as to why they were late or off on  their times.

i bet Joran tried to blame some crap like that on the k2
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« Reply #796 on: October 11, 2006, 12:32:16 AM »

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DEEPAK is up to his EYEBALLS in this mess


if the emails from early on are really from him,

oh boy, he is as bad as Joran

still ready to stick it to the SECURITY GUARDS that he was willing to IDENTIFY

JORAN  YEP

DEEPAK YEP

now, lets review SATISH

he may be the MISSING LINK (  the weak one )

he can be cracked like an otter Cracks a clam  Cool


Robots - you are so on the money!! I reread Deepaks emails last night.  Brother- ( paraphrased) "I would take a bullet for her."  "We didn't stop anywhere between CnC's & the Lighthouse."

LIES LIES LIES.  

Why would innocent people need to lie?
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« Reply #797 on: October 11, 2006, 12:33:52 AM »

Yes, Robots,
There is about an hour missing per Joran's lies to Greta.  They leave C&C around 1 am and he says he spends 30-40 minutes on the beach with Natalee.  Add another 30-40 circling and driving.  It is now only a bit past 2 am and yet Joran does not get home until 3:15?  

I have never understood that Automotive Enterprises part.  There must be a statement about this that is missing.  When and if we get that, maybe this will all make more sense to us.

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« Reply #798 on: October 11, 2006, 12:49:46 AM »

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Again, they knew they could lie all they wanted because Natalee would never be there to contradict their little fantasy.  I do not see Joran even "helping" Ruth or any of the girls in the Casino.  I don't believe he did that and I don't believe anybody called him their Lucky Charm. At least not on this escapade, maybe one from the past, one of the twenty Joran brags about.   I have to see that from the person who said it and that would be Ruth?  But I have never read anywhere that she did.  I once read one of the other girls said it was Ruth he helped but was it really or did she mean Ruth was the one playing and if anybody was helped it would have to be her?

So with his IQ off the chart, but off the bottom--wrong end--Joran forgot the girlfriends could counter that claim.  But how cold blooded to try to work in something to enhance his lousy reputation as a card player into his lying about a girl who has disappeared.   Evil or Very Mad Natalee was not even playing and did not know how according to her friends.  How would any kid lose her father's money anyway?  Did she pick his pocket or rob her parents as Joran was fond of doing to his?

So they could lie about this knowing no one was alive who could call them on it.  Lie about the cards, lie about the sharks, lie about the slaves, lie about Natalee saying that about living on a plantation but evidently they had seen Gone With the Wind at some point in time, lie about Hitler's Sister's Daughter (for the Love of All that is Holy!!) and lie about one finger, lie about two fingers, lie about the lighthouse, lie about when  where and if Natalee was sleeping and what she did.  And lastly lie about dropping her off at the HI.

Deepak helped cook this up, Satish had no problem and did not even seem to wonder why they were lying.  But no one said Wait!  When Natalee returns, she is going to say that's a lie~ we better not say that nor make that claim.

So how did they know their lies were safe?  They knew, all three of them, that there was no Natalee to come back and call them on those lies.  Deepak even lied to some kid on IM about Natalee putting her hands in his pants.  How did he know she wouldn't turn up next day and call him a big skinny liar?  How did any of them know this?  They knew what happened to her and that she was never going to show up and do anything ever again.   Evil or Very Mad  Sad  Evil or Very Mad

And Paulus and Anita know this.  They live with and appear to condone it in their oldest son.  Anita says Natalee should never have gotten in that car like that.  Why?  Does she know her son is not an honorable person?  Sure sounds that way to me.

Now this is a rant.   Very Happy

IMHO~Anna
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« Reply #799 on: October 11, 2006, 01:02:34 AM »

that was a RANT
and you NAILED IT  Cool  Very Happy
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