Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[Lala'sMom]

BTW it was not Kyle that told us something was actually found in the pond.

[SS]

Actually, one person did tell us there was something found in the pond?  Why and how did this person know this if the pond was drained without anyone knowing about it? 

Hint...it was not Caps. 

Kyle said that he recommended draining the pond because of things that he saw on the rasar scan.

And yet they refused to drain it until the government went on strike and used that as an excuse they couldn't get to it until the strike was over.  When the strike was over...voila'  the pond is dry and nothing is there...not even the things Kyle claims to have seen that needed checking.

We've just gone in a circle about the pond.  What is Kermit trying to tell us?  Did Kyle nt see things in the pond?

[Magnolia]

BTW it was not Kyle that told us something was actually found in the pond.

But Kyle did say that their crew was invited to be a part of the
pond search and they declined.

[SS]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

[SS]

Jossy?

[2NJSons_Mom]

BTW it was not Kyle that told us something was actually found in the pond.

Wasn't it someone who is connected to Diario....remembering the tennis shoes.

[Lala'sMom]

No circles...just unanswered details....

JOSSY is the person that told us there was a shoe found in the pond.  He said it on Dana one night. He also said he does not know where that shoe is now.  Why does he make this claim?  Jossy is the ONLY person that has made the statement that anything was found in the pond.

[Lala'sMom]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

What things? Show me.

[Lala'sMom]

BTW it was not Kyle that told us something was actually found in the pond.

But Kyle did say that their crew was invited to be a part of the
pond search and they declined.

Who invited them...Mos did not want the pond drained...Tim told us that.

[SS]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

What things? Show me.

Right after the pond search, he made one of his lightening posts that he was 100% correct about the pond.

[MumInOhio]

What do we know?  What do we REALLY know?  I don't necessarily mean things that we can prove beyond reasonable doubt...I mean what do we know and can make an educated deduction that is most likely to be true????

Make a list...then put it in order and fit the pieces together.

Actually, I am hoping your guys can make the pieces fit....I know no more than the rest of you...probably less.  I just keep asking these same questions.  Questions that need answering. 
Lala,  I am sure that you have already done that exercise.
Tell us what you found.
For the life of me I do not understand all of the clues
that lead to confusion,
I would like nothing more than to see this mess solved.
I hate them all!

OK Lala's, scribble all over me if I get it wrong.

TES found the fish trap/drug post office.  Tim said it looked like a skull and we saw the photographs.  ALE must have claimed that it was drug evidence, so they came in and confiscated the contents - maybe some drug packages, but also the skull.  They gave the FBI some unrelated fabric to test at Quantico and everything else disapppeared, including the skull and a possibe shoe.  They covered it up even though we all saw the evidence.  There was something belonging to Natalee and/or Urine in that fish trap.

A witness came forward with information about the pond.  TES scanned the pond and Kyle told us they identified things.  The pond was drained at night.  ALE covered it up even though TES had seen something.  Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was in the pond.

Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was found in the pond and in the fish trap.

Who told us there was anything found in the pond?

I think I see where you are coming from.  We have only heard that TES saw things and that ALE found things.  Connect this with Kermit's statement yeasterday and the Manserat Pond was a diversion to distract attention from the fish cage.  ALE set it up.  The witness and the pond story did emerge around the same as the contents of the trap.  This is what Kermit was saying. This has implications .......

Hmmmmm

Where are you Mum?

Catching up

[Lala'sMom]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

What things? Show me.

Right after the pond search, he made one of his lightening posts that he was 100% correct about the pond.

But what did he say was found? 

[SS]

Mum - get out the Excedrin.

[SS]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

What things? Show me.

Right after the pond search, he made one of his lightening posts that he was 100% correct about the pond.

But what did he say was found? 

You're right, he intimated.  He didn't specify.

[Edward]

Yes, and Luis M. who was found with massive amounts of cocaine and money in his home.

And it was Eric M. who employed the Gardner

And it was Jossy who lead us around on a search itinerary.

First hearsay information on this case was posted by ArubaGirl and Luis was probably the drop off point.

Joran today involves himself in Human trafficking and probably dropped Natalee off to Luis with the same intent and they have all been working together ever since.

It has always been noted that Luis M. is the one M. everyone fears on Aruba.

[MumInOhio]

Caps also said that things were found in the pond.

I asked Caps 3 or 4 times one day if there was forensics in the pond, even asked about a shoe...he ignored my questions...I took that as a yes.

[Magnolia]

BTW it was not Kyle that told us something was actually found in the pond.

But Kyle did say that their crew was invited to be a part of the
pond search and they declined.

I think that Mos didn't want the pond searched, but the Persistence
crew did the side scan without his  permission.
I honestly think that he did allow the pond to be drained.  I remember
a statement from Mos that they were delayed because of the strike.
I do not know who invited the Persistence crew, but Kyle just said that
they were invited.  It was about the time of the bunch of investigators
from NL being there.   Mabe the Dutch invited them?

Who invited them...Mos did not want the pond drained...Tim told us that.

[SS]

So, Jossy is the only person who claims to have knowledge of objects located in the pond.

[SS]

Was it Jossy who drained the pond?

[MumInOhio]

Magnolia...OT at the moment, but a while back, before I joined SM there were extensive discussions about the blood on the mattress.

It was determined with much research that ALE could not have distinguished between Human and dog blood without testing.

They could not have known when they found the mattress that it was dog's blood.

Do you recall any of these discussions?  TIA