Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[MumInOhio]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island

Hi Caps…I don’t think any of us here will give up. We are all on a mission to find Justice for Natalee.

The break in at the Fisherman’s Huts was discussed recently. Knives were stolen and the rumour went around that Steve Croes had something to do with it. The timing of Simian’s post had much to do with this IMO.

I believe that Natalee’s body was moved several times. Where does your post leave your theory about the Crypts?

Thanks in Advance as Always.

[MumInOhio]

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #960 on: November 14, 2008, 05:30:44 PM » Johan

Yes but when she died in the matt apts why hiding in a pond ?
Or was Joran full with blood ? And he washed himself in that pond ?

Johan...what time do you think they were at the Matty?

TIA

[johan555]

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #960 on: November 14, 2008, 05:30:44 PM » Johan

Yes but when she died in the matt apts why hiding in a pond ?
Or was Joran full with blood ? And he washed himself in that pond ?

Johan...what time do you think they were at the Matty?

TIA

i think about 1.30

[johan555]

what is that behind the Matt Apts  a car junk yeard ?

[MumInOhio]

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #960 on: November 14, 2008, 05:30:44 PM » Johan

Yes but when she died in the matt apts why hiding in a pond ?
Or was Joran full with blood ? And he washed himself in that pond ?

Johan...what time do you think they were at the Matty?

TIA

i think about 1.30

Thanks...According to David Kock they made another stop after C&Cs.  What time do you have them leaving C&Cs?

TIA

[MumInOhio]

Caps…What can you tell us about EcoTech draining the pond looking for Jose Tromp?  TIA

[SS]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island




Hello Caps -

[MumInOhio]

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #949 on: November 14, 2008, 04:25:20 PM » SS   
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EURobert - I don't know where to begin, but I'll try.  If I leave anything out will other monkeys please jump in and add information?

Caps started posted on the front page and then on NAH.  He started talking about things related to Shango and it was suggested that he take this information to the Shango thread.  So, we all invaded Lala's corner of the world and started to work on the cryptic posts of Merian Ernest aka Simian aka Armin Solognier.  After a lot of digging and research, we came up with the story that Merian was trying to tell.  We have no idea if the story is really what happened, but a lot of pieces do make sense.

Urine and the Alpoes drugged Natalee at C&Cs.  They put her in the car and took her to the Matty Apts. which are across the street from Manserat Pond and next to the Lion's Den.  Urine and his friends were involved in porn videos and Natalee had become their newest victim.  Reportedly they had done this twenty times before and preferred to victimize American tourists on their last night in Aruba.  We were given the names of those at the video and gambling party which included Urine, the Alpoes, Freddy, Guido, Lorenzo, Julia Renfro, Chemaly, and Briezen.  There are more names and there was a report of a fight between Urine and someone Natalee might have known from earlier in the week.  They had a video connection in the US.  There was also talk of prostitution involving Urine, local girls, and Julia.  Something happened and Natalee died or was killed.  We don't know what happened after she died or where she was initally placed, but we were told that she was moved several times.  It is possible that she is currently in a crypt at the Masonic cemetery.  We also learned the names of various government officials who assisted in the coverup and the disposal of the body.  These names included Paulass, Voking, and DTKM.  DTKM is supposedly the mastermind of the coverup.  We have no idea if any of this is factual.  While we were working on the Merian posts, information about the contents of the cage was released.  We were told by OceanExplorer that ALE removed the contents of the trap in January, a few weeks after they were found.  We have also been told that things were found when the pond was drained, but ALE also denies any of this.  We were told that the Manserat Pond was drained based on the witness statements.  TES had used side scan radar to study the bottom of the pond and recommended that the pond be drained.  Supposedly 40-50 Dutch forensic experts arrived to examine the pond. but ALE denies this.  Try to read the research portions of Shango/Simian because more details are there.


Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #955 on: November 14, 2008, 05:04:36 PM » EURobert

Thanks a lot SS! It would have taken me weeks to go through all of the Jango/Simian threads and be able to distillate this story from it.
But what a story! How plausible is it do you think? If this really happened - including the cover up - it would be absolutely shocking.

I have to read it a couple of times more and let it sink in a bit.

What do the others think of this version of the story?




Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru
« Reply #963 on: November 14, 2008, 05:50:46 PM » EURobert

Well, WHEN this story is true, especially the structural abuse of american girls and the pornvids, I can understand that there's a cover up: if such a story came out that would absolutely ruin the 'One happy island'-image of Aruba for many, many years. Well, WHEN this story is true, especially the structural abuse of american girls and the pornvids, I can understand that there's a cover up: if such a story came out that would absolutely ruin the 'One happy island'-image of Aruba for many, many years.




Re: Natalee Case Discussion #773 11/09/08 thru 11/14/08
« Reply #978 on: November 14, 2008, 06:48:11 PM » SS

EURobert - I don't think any of us know if the Merian/Simian story is correct.  Parts of it are very similar to Shango's cryptic version of events.  We do know that there are big holes in the story.  For instance, there is no discussion of Steve Cores in Merian/Simian, but perhaps that is because Steve Croes is a cousin of Armin Solognier and both of them are nephews of the former Chief of Police, Rufo Solognier, who supposedly was assigned the task of cleaning the Matty Apts. of evidence.  Shango, on the other hand, protects Freddy.  We did learn a lot about the under belly of Aruba and some dubious characters while we were researching the clues.  The porn video information seems to be a correct scenario with that group as does prostitution, but we have no proof that Natalee was actually part of it.  There is some very deep corruption on that island.  We discovered some relationships like Chemaly and Freddy Zedan probably being cousins from Venezuela, and of course, we had already learned that Lorenzo is likely Joran's half-brother.  Some of the monkeys have questioned whether some of the people named in the plot actually exist or are possibly an alias or diversion.  We learned of some possible very deep involvement by Julia, that just makes my skin crawl after what she did to Beth.  One thing that I think we did learn was that the beach story is probably not true.  If you have some time, do go back and read through the threads - it will be very enlightening.



EURobert…Personally I don’t agree with much of this theory or Caps’ findings on the Miriam Ernest, Simian or Shango posts.

I have an index of the Shango threads or most of it and if you post what you would like to check further on I can find the discussions for you.

[SS]

I feel sick after Caps's revelations, although I have suspected for a long time that dismemberment could have been likely.  Urine van der Sloot is an animal and the heinous truth about Natalee's disappearance has to be revealed. 

[MumInOhio]

Map showing location of McDonalds and distances.

I think this is Shizaru's site?  Go to Maps...Joran's walk home...Thanks!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

[Buckeye]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island

Hmmmmm.

Whose arrival?  Gielen, Natalee, Beth?

Hope the "key person"s name is not Alberto.   

[SS]

I am absolutely amazed.  Less than one week after Joran van der Sloot was exposed on Dutch television for arranging prostitution and human trafficking in Thailand, there are only six members of SM and five lukers on this thread at 9:00 AM on a Saturday morning.

 

[BUCKSHOT]

Map showing location of McDonalds and distances.

I think this is Shizaru's site?  Go to Maps...Joran's walk home...Thanks!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

I am sure that this has been answered before...
How many McDonals's are on the island?
I know there is one near the high rise hotel area (and restaurant, formerly called Texas de Brazil).
Is there another one (or two) closer to the Sloot home?
Thanks in advance.

[littletxlady]

I'm in lurking mode. I have been searching for more info but it seems there is a joran blackout!

[nonesuche]

SS I would have been here more often but honestly have been working around the clock this week - I think those of us still lucky enough to have a corporate job have little time for anything else lately - sigh !

I can't even think of dismemberment for if that were true, then couch that against the Paulus and Anita road show with tears and protestations but then running man's sweating might finally be explained in full ????? Grotesque is the only word that comes to mind.

I fear I don't hold out much hope for Thailand to do much against urine-head, but I also emailed NOW who has been heavily involved in publishing and evangelizing the horrors of human trafficking globally. At the end of the day, does the Dutch government truly care? I'm not convinced that they do.

[BUCKSHOT]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island

Hi Caps…I don’t think any of us here will give up. We are all on a mission to find Justice for Natalee.

The break in at the Fisherman’s Huts was discussed recently. Knives were stolen and the rumour went around that Steve Croes had something to do with it. The timing of Simian’s post had much to do with this IMO.

I believe that Natalee’s body was moved several times. Where does your post leave your theory about the Crypts?

Thanks in Advance as Always.

Joran blackmailing DaddySloot for money?
Body cut in pieces?

Some of us have thought this, but, WOW, hearing it as possible factual scenario really drives home the ruthlessness and sheer disregard for one's human life by Joran and company. Let me say again - WOW.

Makes ya wonder if the painted rocks served as a chopping block, of sorts...

[texasmom]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island

Hmmmmm.

Whose arrival?  Gielen, Natalee, Beth?

Hope the "key person"s name is not Alberto.   

JMO, but I don't think so.

[SS]

SS I would have been here more often but honestly have been working around the clock this week - I think those of us still lucky enough to have a corporate job have little time for anything else lately - sigh !

I can't even think of dismemberment for if that were true, then couch that against the Paulus and Anita road show with tears and protestations but then running man's sweating might finally be explained in full ????? Grotesque is the only word that comes to mind.

I fear I don't hold out much hope for Thailand to do much against urine-head, but I also emailed NOW who has been heavily involved in publishing and evangelizing the horrors of human trafficking globally. At the end of the day, does the Dutch government truly care? I'm not convinced that they do.

nonesuche - I sadly fear that you could be correct.  I do believe that the details of Natalee's demise are most likely so shocking and the coverup so deep, that they all want it to just go away.  For this reason, we need to keep Natalee's face right there in front of them.  We need to continue biting at their heels until there is justice.

[MumInOhio]

Map showing location of McDonalds and distances.

I think this is Shizaru's site?  Go to Maps...Joran's walk home...Thanks!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

I am sure that this has been answered before...
How many McDonals's are on the island?
I know there is one near the high rise hotel area (and restaurant, formerly called Texas de Brazil).
Is there another one (or two) closer to the Sloot home?
Thanks in advance.

Hi Buckshot…I only saw 2 listed, but really didn’t check into it very much.  I have been interested in the one by the movie theaters and following a time-line connected to that for earlier in the night.

[Magnolia]

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS




3. several location on the Island

So good to see you, Caps.
You should check in a little more often so that we don't worry.
It is hard to think of them chopping Natalee up.  I guess I would
just rather not go there.