Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[Altruist]

NO. They did not!

We have American traitors!

Will it ever be brought out into the light?  Will they ever be held accountable?  If not, then I just don't even know how to process that.

Not going to happen.

Why?  It is possible that I am just not getting this but to me this would imply that the Holloway family has been hoodwinked not only by Aruba & those on Aruba but others coming from within, those that they have come to trust.  What purpose would it serve for them to keep this knowledge to themselves if there is no hope of bringing them to accountability? 

[wreck]

Pita:

Clyde Burke?

hmmmmm 

[SS]

Kermit - if you are out there in cyberspace... is the cop that starts wit "c" a female?

[MumInOhio]

I think the Monkey's uncle is Jossy.

[wreck]

Nice to have the juices flowing again here tonight!!! Welcome back Monks!

[Magnolia]

IMO -- those 2 don't wield enough clout to matter. I fear he is referring to someone we THOUGHT was trying to help us from the U.S

.
(I think Kyle was a dupee - not the dupor)

I would prefer to think that of Kyle also.  He was just a boy.

[MumInOhio]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

MONEY

follow up on them
see who they really are.

In fact, do it for Red, remember how they jumped him and accused him of leaking information.
It was a lie.

Kyle was jumped on and accused of giving the picture out.

There were cross words between Red and Kyle...Kermit is telling us to solve this for Red...IMO

The way I remember it, Klaas (Red) were jumped on and accused of leaking the photos.  I think it was Kyle that thought Klaas let it out.  Am I remembering this correctly?  Help.......

Helen....I don't remember...But I think Kermie was telling us to sort this out for Red.

[Edward]

none of it.

Well, in general I tend to be critical too, but I'm not totally sceptical Even the police has stated that these guys have (drug-)raped girls before. And these days it's very easy to make a 'pornvid' on your cellphone. So some of the story could very well be true. But on the other hand it's well known that a chain of 'hear-say' often let's the facts grow bigger and bigger... So the question than of course is how far or deep did this go?

It is a tale of every community small and large around the world. There are always the elite and there bad habits.
It is a generalization. It is not a specific accusation against any one person and is not a location of a body.
It had an intent. To derail people minds and it is a professional placed piece of "Propaganda".
We worked this Shango thing over, line by line from the beginning of the Shango religion in Nigeria to the island of Aruba and we looked down every yellow brick road ............... It is Bull Carp.
mo.

The reason we have not solved anything is the tremendous amount of disinformation people are willing to Focus on.
But you are more then welcome to follow that road all over again..
jmho

I will agree that it is difficult (impossible) to separate the truth from misinformation.

But I do believe there was truth revealed in the very early days. Very early. As there is proof that Aruban Hospitality industries were spreading their spin and lies as searly as the 5th if June -- if not earlier.

But there is truth out there. It came out innocently and naturally before the misinformation began to spread.

And that's why so much of it disappeared.

jmo

In the very beginning we had arubagirl post about some locals talking hearsay.. and her post about the "drug dealer house party" and his disposal of her clothes in his garbage can.. His lack of concern because of his power.
I have always maintained that post in my thoughts as possible because it was before the disinformation campaign was launched.
She posted it here..and at RWV

Lorenzo?

At first we thought that, but then Luis M. gets busted and you can see the lighthouse from his home..
The boys just walked with Natalee across a silent and empty Golf course late at night. That is why there are not witnessed.
He is as big as you can get in powerful figures by family name and to make him into a Drug Dealer, well that almost completes the story.
Would he have the connections to get the body into a crab trap on a larger boat?

Now remember his family is one of the richest and powerful families in the world..

Would he have the ability to control the Aruban group on Persistence ? As fr as items found ?

Is he dangerous enough to Keep Joran and Paulus quiet.?

That gets pretty thick.. I do not know..

[Helen Back]

so this is important.  Kermit said Red got jumped on.  Am I remembering this right or wrong:

Klaas and Red got blasted for leaking the photos of the cage, but she didn't.  Someone sent them to her after they posted on BFN.  Is that right?  Let's get this and move on......Where's Klaas?

[wreck]

The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

[MumInOhio]

I think the Monkey's uncle is Jossy.

Which would make the Monkey...Jossy's nephew

Kermit is the "C"cop a US cop? pretty please...don't sit back there laughing at me 

[KYcat]

Evening Monkeys!  I am going crazy here.  I have tried to stay away from here for a while and be patient because it makes me insane.   BUT.......PLEASE.........TELL ME WHY IS EVERYTHING SO CRYPTIC??????   I don't think I can take it...........I just don't think I can figure it out>>

HELP

[MumInOhio]

so this is important.  Kermit said Red got jumped on.  Am I remembering this right or wrong:

Klaas and Red got blasted for leaking the photos of the cage, but she didn't.  Someone sent them to her after they posted on BFN.  Is that right?  Let's get this and move on......Where's Klaas?

Helen...I think that is right...

[Helen Back]

The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

The other partner was Louis Schaeffer.

[SS]

Nice to have the juices flowing again here tonight!!! Welcome back Monks!

And to think that I was disappointed that I was talking to myself on NAH this morning at 9:00 AM, less than a week after Urine was exposed in Thailand.  What a difference a few hours makes.

[wreck]

The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

The other partner was Louis Schaeffer.

That is right.

[MumInOhio]

none of it.

Well, in general I tend to be critical too, but I'm not totally sceptical Even the police has stated that these guys have (drug-)raped girls before. And these days it's very easy to make a 'pornvid' on your cellphone. So some of the story could very well be true. But on the other hand it's well known that a chain of 'hear-say' often let's the facts grow bigger and bigger... So the question than of course is how far or deep did this go?

It is a tale of every community small and large around the world. There are always the elite and there bad habits.
It is a generalization. It is not a specific accusation against any one person and is not a location of a body.
It had an intent. To derail people minds and it is a professional placed piece of "Propaganda".
We worked this Shango thing over, line by line from the beginning of the Shango religion in Nigeria to the island of Aruba and we looked down every yellow brick road ............... It is Bull Carp.
mo.

The reason we have not solved anything is the tremendous amount of disinformation people are willing to Focus on.
But you are more then welcome to follow that road all over again..
jmho

I will agree that it is difficult (impossible) to separate the truth from misinformation.

But I do believe there was truth revealed in the very early days. Very early. As there is proof that Aruban Hospitality industries were spreading their spin and lies as searly as the 5th if June -- if not earlier.

But there is truth out there. It came out innocently and naturally before the misinformation began to spread.

And that's why so much of it disappeared.

jmo

In the very beginning we had arubagirl post about some locals talking hearsay.. and her post about the "drug dealer house party" and his disposal of her clothes in his garbage can.. His lack of concern because of his power.
I have always maintained that post in my thoughts as possible because it was before the disinformation campaign was launched.
She posted it here..and at RWV

Lorenzo?

At first we thought that, but then Luis M. gets busted and you can see the lighthouse from his home..
The boys just walked with Natalee across a silent and empty Golf course late at night. That is why there are not witnessed.
He is as big as you can get in powerful figures by family name and to make him into a Drug Dealer, well that almost completes the story.
Would he have the connections to get the body into a crab trap on a larger boat?

Now remember his family is one of the richest and powerful families in the world..

Would he have the ability to control the Aruban group on Persistence ? As fr as items found ?

Is he dangerous enough to Keep Joran and Paulus quiet.?

That gets pretty thick.. I do not know..

And he has Yachts...

[KYcat]

so this is important.  Kermit said Red got jumped on.  Am I remembering this right or wrong:

Klaas and Red got blasted for leaking the photos of the cage, but she didn't.  Someone sent them to her after they posted on BFN.  Is that right?  Let's get this and move on......Where's Klaas?

Helen...I think that is right...

Yes, I think it is right.  I remember now, didn't the FBI supposedly send pics to Dave and Robin posted them on BFN????  IIRC Kyle said that FBI sent them to Dave.  Kyle would not send them to Dave but FBI did???

Correct?!?

[SS]

The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

The other partner was Louis Schaeffer.

I think it's three people who are connected to Silvetti.  Silvetti is the money.

[Blonde]

Posted by Kermit:


Perhaps the new pond witness was to get the focus off of the cage?
 
When did Caps present the pond witness?
When did Kyle tell you the cage was found?
Who is who? Remember the initials - it was a clue of who was involved to lead the monkeys away from bananas.

Why is there one tennis shoe inside THIS cage?
Why is there a skull inside THIS cage?
Why was all the focus changed to a pond that is dried up eh?
Monkey's can figure it out the cover-up.





"ALWAYS TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS" - kermit

Admittedly I am but a law abiding citizen of the USA BUT my major question is when faced with a majorly uncooperative entity as ALE & it's Central Governing body, at the point of the Persistence search when the cage was located WHY WAS NOT EVERY ITEM IN THAT CAGE AT LEAST ONE PIECE OF EVERY ITEM CONTAINED WITHIN NOT TAKEN BY A DIVER FROM THE PERSISTENCE SEARCH TEAM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????  This I will never understand, under the guise of team effort, that naievity is just not possible in grown men.  It can't be.

Can anybody clearly explain to an ignorant poster as myself?

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

41 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #715 1/25 - on: January 26, 2008, 09:38:25 AM
Thought you all may find this interesting if you're willing to accept it-

To date, the Aruban police and dive team has been a tremendous help . They've honestly done a great job. Over the last month we've established a very good working relationship based on openness and trust. Most of the relationship success was due to getting the media out of the way and working together shoulder to shoulder over time. We've helped each other however and whenever we can. They've treated us with decency and respect and we have treated them as friends and allies, which they are. Most of the police and divers are new since this case started and both eager and careful to do things right. I wish we had a month ahead of the project just to establish the relationships and trust. I know many of you would likely doubt this view, but it's based on the experiences in the field of the entire search team. I too was extremely worried, paranoid, and suspecting in the beginning. Now, it's clear we're all working towards a common goal.