Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[wreck]

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“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

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I am not naive, but I am struggling with this Silvetti guy.  How could you say this and be so kind and generous to a grieving family and really be a traitor???

 

Who said he was a traitor?

I for one, put it up for consideration (I don't know)

[sharon]

I will agree that it is difficult (impossible) to separate the truth from misinformation.

But I do believe there was truth revealed in the very early days. Very early. As there is proof that Aruban Hospitality industries were spreading their spin and lies as searly as the 5th if June -- if not earlier.

But there is truth out there. It came out innocently and naturally before the misinformation began to spread.

And that's why so much of it disappeared.

jmo

In the very beginning we had arubagirl post about some locals talking hearsay.. and her post about the "drug dealer house party" and his disposal of her clothes in his garbage can.. His lack of concern because of his power.
I have always maintained that post in my thoughts as possible because it was before the disinformation campaign was launched.
She posted it here..and at RWV

I am also referring to the first news stories -- particularly those that quote the 3 amigos. When they were 'witnesses'. Before the guards were arrested on the 5th.

Front page blog and posts about Natalee began on June 2, 2005 (iirc)

I remember Arubagirl's arrival on the scene. I'm unsure about her 'reliability'. Regardless, it is difficult to remain unemotional when your country is under such intense scrutiny and many of her posts were in reaction, so full of emotion.

jmo

[Buckeye]

Quote from PI's post:

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched.

What zip lock bags???

[Buckeye]

arubagirl was a monkey.  Was her uncle a cop?

[KYcat]

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“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

snipped (I probably did not do this right, just trying to avoid quote stack)

I am not naive, but I am struggling with this Silvetti guy.  How could you say this and be so kind and generous to a grieving family and really be a traitor???

 

Who said he was a traitor?

Maybe I misunderstood.  Why did the Persistence pull out abrubtly?  Was it not insinuated that we have American traitors?  Kyle was not on the Persistence when the divers brought up the stuff from the cage?  Is that correct?  But others were?  Who were they?  Could these items have been switched without being seen by the crew?  Not accusing anyone here, just asking questions.  I told you all I was confused.  I have always wondered about Carla but would someone marry someone just to infiltrate the family to find out info??  Just questions folks, certainly not trying to piss anybody off. I seem to be good at that.  Give me a button.

[Helen Back]

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“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

snipped (I probably did not do this right, just trying to avoid quote stack)

I am not naive, but I am struggling with this Silvetti guy.  How could you say this and be so kind and generous to a grieving family and really be a traitor???

 

Who said he was a traitor?

Kermit is pointing us to two American Traitors.  Who are the divers?  I'm going to look at the pictures from Persistence....... brb  if I can find them::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyway, I only hung out in Shango a little...ok a lot but I was lost.  What initials did CAPS accidentally reveal?  Lala's, Mum, VMS, Colombo, this is your territory

[Lala'sMom]

We are getting sidetracked again...I am going for food.

[Magnolia]

Quote from PI's post:

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched.

What zip lock bags???

The ones in the trap.

[klaasend]

arubagirl was a monkey.  Was her uncle a cop?

Not sure if her uncle was but I'm pretty sure she had cousins that were cops. I got the impression female cops were related but I could be wrong.

[wreck]

We are getting sidetracked again...I am going for food.

No, I think we are honing in!

[Helen Back]

arubagirl was a monkey.  Was her uncle a cop?

Not sure if her uncle was but I'm pretty sure she had cousins that were cops. I got the impression female cops were related but I could be wrong.

Glad you're here Klaas.  Can you think of any cops whose first names begins with a C besides Clyde?

[KYcat]

We are getting sidetracked again...I am going for food.

So, put me on the right track!
 

[wreck]

Back to "American traitors" as per Kermit. Let's think!

[MumInOhio]

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“It ripped my heart out to hear them say that right now all they’re looking for is to have a funeral in Alabama,” Silvetti said. “What do you say to someone like that?”

snipped (I probably did not do this right, just trying to avoid quote stack)

I am not naive, but I am struggling with this Silvetti guy.  How could you say this and be so kind and generous to a grieving family and really be a traitor???

 

Who said he was a traitor?

Kermit is pointing us to two American Traitors.  Who are the divers?  I'm going to look at the pictures from Persistence....... brb  if I can find them::MonkeyHaHa::

Anyway, I only hung out in Shango a little...ok a lot but I was lost.  What initials did CAPS accidentally reveal?  Lala's, Mum, VMS, Colombo, this is your territory

TM...what initials did Caps keep posting for Steve Croes...Thanks...

[SS]

Robin released the photograph.  Robin is married to Dave.  Is Dave an uncle?  Caps inadvertently gave the initals.




 Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1486 on: May 08, 2008, 01:34:17 AM » 

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Dear Monkeys,

I see that all have a lot of queston.

Who is Bulo. Bulo is the Nickname of Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was the first that was detain for questioning & not arrested. (was never in the news because of his association with other bigshot in ALE) so that never hid the news.
Two days later they went to his mama house and there he desided to colobrorate with the ALE.

What ever his story was to the upper ALE force, they needed a fallguy and they went to the Color guys. BTW they fo not have nicknames. Who was the first to give them nick names? the NEWS.

Then came Joran and the 2 kalpoes and from here it all turned into a media circus, but with the help of the news.

Follow the Star.: comming from Brickel Hotel on a straight path (road) to the first Star (A chinesee Restuarant) to the banks (gold bars) then make a left on the road where it is not paved.

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

The only one that has change his way of operation is Matty. Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.

How far is it from McDonald. Just walk back to the Star and Mc Donnald is there across the street.

DH: the problem with this is that Freedom means a lot to everyone and one will like to loose it even if you are inocent. The only person in Dutch Law that has the power to take that from a person is a Prosecuter. He then present his case and a Judge will decide your fate with the evidance (Fact or none Fact) presented by this man.

Hans Mos is a prosecuter and is on the list. Judges are on the list. This man is not on the list but he is the one that will build your case (for a guilty or not guilty outcome). Caps loves his Freedome. DANGER ZONE HERE. Have got a photo (Patient)

Rising sun: This is the Lodge of the "Sol Naciente". It is the lodge of the Dutch Mason in Aruba. Go to this place and do a research  http://www.vrijmetselarij.net/el_sol_naciente/ the VIP club or Lions Den belong to these people. they use the VIP club.

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

History: It was 3 day before Christmas and my dad and I were talking how strange that this girl has vanished from the radar and no one knows where she is. I google "Where is natalee" and it brought me to this place called SM and I read summery and then I remeber as a kid how I lost a brand new sneaker. Imaging comming home with one sneaker missing and telling dad that I lost it. Where? in the pond. (as a kid No one are allowed to go to these ponds due to if you feed get stuck in the mud and the sneaker is not tied down, it will stay in the mud when you tried to free one foot. in the past some kid drown becuase it is fresh water and do not have bouyence and when some one fell in, and when touch bottom, you feed will sink and get stuck.

back to the sneaker, you can not never find it since it will sink, and with time the mud will coverit up.
in day time you can not see it becuase the water is murky and dark. (It is gone for ever till the pond dried up and then you have to go and search for it under the mud.

I wrote my analysis and from that first analysis I build my foundation to start the next level of fact findings.

The Riddle is there but it can not be solve without a local guide. SM has a lot brains that has help.

CAPS

[Mary Ann]

Please just tell what you know!!! I have been trying to undo riddles in this case for years......never was good at it either!

[San]

Back to "American traitors" as per Kermit. Let's think!

The only people that come to mind is Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell (SP).

[Altruist]

Altruist
I see what you are saying...but still no one talks.  I think you would be surprised at what the family does not know. Really surprised.

Sounds like I would be shocked.  Let's go for a visit?

You would.

If it would get you to go, yes I would.  I do not possess the knowledge that you do of this or the ability to zip around these posts to garner the information in a manner that would be communicable to BH.  It is food for thought, no?  I can not imagine BH not knowing so much more about all of this than any of us but you give me need to ponder.

[MumInOhio]

arubagirl was a monkey.  Was her uncle a cop?

Kermit's post...
c
for the first name of the cop

then
the other is the monkey
and the monkey's uncle.

I have to hop now.

[San]

Please just tell what you know!!! I have been trying to undo riddles in this case for years......never was good at it either!

I'm not good at it either.  So once I see people going there I usually skip their post  .  I don't post in the Shango threads.  I stay here where various topics regarding the case can be discussed.