Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

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Quote from: Lala'sMom on September 21, 2008, 01:58:14 PM
Quote from: Kermit on September 21, 2008, 12:20:24 PM
Monkey's pay attention! Focus! Do not get sidetracked.
 




Yes, Jossy said they found a shoe in the pond...and then some see a shoe in the trap...so where is the focus?  The pond or the trap or both?  A little help here please.


When did the pond search first start?
Now put your pieces together.
You're good at this lala.
re-think it.

Were Tim and Kyle not on board Persistence the day the evidence was taken because they doing the side-scan of the pond?  That would have been in February.  When did Kermit say that Caps started posting in the forum?

January 17, 2008 was the first post on the forum by Caps.

[Lala'sMom]

There are just a number of life lessons that Americans & probably most nationalities of average intelligence know:

*the best defense is a planned offense
*you don't play straight with cheater's
*don't trust blindly, safeguards are a necessity
*be leary of anybody that takes days to accomplish an hours task

It appears that what I am learning here tonight is that none of those realities were even pondered & I just don't even know how to process this.  I have read every post of S & S, of Caps & kermit trying to work with what was being presented in the face of my challenges but to come to the realizations that American's went down there & opened themselves up to being used to continue the ridicule, torture & contempt perpetrated upon this family, am overwhelmed with grief & contempt.

Yes, the family trusted...the searchers trusted...we all trusted and it was in vain.  Never trust a con man...Aruba has been conning people for years.  They are masters. 

I do not understand how the searcher's trusted.  I read about the camraderie, in my mind I was like ok, you have to do that & say that, but of course you are not being stupid here but they were?  That is just not explainable to me as the conductor's of that search knew better as adults of age & experience, Tim Miller had been dealing with the corruption for a long, long time.

Kind of like  "you knew I was a snake when you picked me up". Still they picked up the snake.

[Helen Back]

The extadite .. Could be a misspelling
 Could just mean an illegal document. Or illegal documented person Or an ex convict from another country.
I would suppose document.

The MIU  is a Maritime shipping term. When you ship something on a large ship.

It looks like he went to find false shipping documents to ship something

Thanks, Edward.  If you know CAPS, this is a misspelling. 

I supposed that he meant extradite. 
I just looked up MIU and learned it is is a shipping term.
Well, this has my attention because CAPS is saying here that Paulus left the casino to make arrangements for something to be shipped.

But I digress, sorry.

[Lala'sMom]

I'm toast. Goodnight all.

[Helen Back]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

[Helen Back]

Nite Lala's.  I think I'm done too. 

Nite all.

[Altruist]

The M people are professional con people and the Dutch learned propaganda from Hitler.
As the Dutch were considered kindred souls by the Germans.
They turned in Ann Frank.. If they would turn in an innocent child for brownie points covering up Natalee's murder is cheese cake to them in my opinion.

Just this past week the Nazi connection clicked for me for the first time.  It appears to me now that "the movement is alive & well" being shipped back & forth from the Netherlands to the Caribbean.  I know that a good number of Nazi's fled to South America so that may have a direct correlation to the drug trafficking that is flourishing in to & fro to finance various activities for those that believe they are the superior race.  Flippin bigots, disgraces to humanity, satan's bidder's.............

[Altruist]

Nite lala's.  Thank you.

[SS]

How did we get from the fish trap to the Nazis?

[Edward]

It is beautiful here tonight my friend.. I am looking out over the growing fields of the Watsonville valley and 1o miles of lettuce and strawberry fields. It is near a full moon and not a cloud in the sky tonight.. So many stars in the sky, it is so beautiful
For some reason it was 80 dgrees here today and tonight it is not below 60 degrees.
 I can see across the valley floor from the reflection of the moon and I can hear tractors working the fields in the far off distence. The Train has just come around the hill in Pajaro and it sounds it horns as it passes the old railroad station, I will watch it until it disappears into the hills leading into Aromas where it passes through the Granite Rock quarry.
I love the sound of the railroad as it passes through the valley floor late at night..
The Monterey bay today was calm and waves at 3 foot. It was a very beautiful day.
I was just outside walking around without a jacket.. How many times can you do that in the middle of November.. 
You better hurry home..These kida days and nights can't last forever.. 

[SS]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

Helen - you're right which means that Caps probably just posted it once inadvertantly.  That takes me back to DH.

[Altruist]

It is beautiful here tonight my friend.. I am looking out over the growing fields of the Watsonville valley and 1o miles of lettuce and strawberry fields. It is near a full moon and not a cloud in the sky tonight.. So many stars in the sky, it is so beautiful
For some reason it was 80 dgrees here today and tonight it is not below 60 degrees.
 I can see across the valley floor from the reflection of the moon and I can hear tractors working the fields in the far off distence. The Train has just come around the hill in Pajaro and it sounds it horns as it passes the old railroad station, I will watch it until it disappears into the hills leading into Aromas where it passes through the Granite Rock quarry.
I love the sound of the railroad as it passes through the valley floor late at night..
The Monterey bay today was calm and waves at 3 foot. It was a very beautiful day.
I was just outside walking around without a jacket.. How many times can you do that in the middle of November.. 
You better hurry home..These kida days and nights can't last forever.. 

Your post warmed my heart, thank you. Now I will have a good cry, I long for it.

[Altruist]

How did we get from the fish trap to the Nazis?

Edward brought up the Dutch being considered kindred spirits by the Nazi's which reminded me of a post I made earlier in the week when the Nazi connection clicked for me in regard to the shipping of bureaucrats from the Netherland's & the Carribean inclusive of Aruba because we all know that Natalee would never have referenced her Mom in relation to Hitler & that LIE of JVDstoolscum always lingers in my memory.  At this point I believe that JVDstoolscum was sending out his allegiance code in the telling of that tale.  Imo, JVDstoolscum & the Dutch "professionals involved in this travesty" are Nazi's behind the curtain of civility, they are beasts.

[Edward]

The most important part about the Germans was there successful use of Propaganda.
It is used everyday to sell you things.. In a more sinister use it can turn your attention from the obvious ...
They can have a man live in hell and he will think it is heaven.. Or they can make a man think he lives in hell when he really lives in heaven from the use of propaganda.
They just tell lies until you believe the lie over the truth.. and that is why you have seen so many lies in this case.. They used the various forms of media ..and lied until the cows came home..
Divide and Conquer.

[Helen Back]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

Helen - you're right which means that Caps probably just posted it once inadvertantly.  That takes me back to DH.

Allright, I can't sleep yet.  But I think the initials of DH were posted more than once, SS.  I'm trying to search SS thread for initials.  Ugh, I'm terrible at searching.

[Altruist]

The most important part about the Germans was there successful use of Propaganda.
It is used everyday to sell you things.. In a more sinister use it can turn your attention from the obvious ...
They can have a man live in hell and he will think it is heaven.. Or they can make a man think he lives in hell when he really lives in heaven from the use of propaganda.
They just tell lies until you believe the lie over the truth.. and that is why you have seen so many lies in this case.. They used the various forms of media ..and lied until the cows came home..
Divide and Conquer.

The Lies, propaganda were not successful for the most part in this case, the corruption is what took us to where we are today.  There has to be something very wrong that proper safeguards were not taken though in relation to this search.  I am a complete idiot, I did not see this coming at all as a possibility.

[texasmom]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

Helen - you're right which means that Caps probably just posted it once inadvertantly.  That takes me back to DH.

Allright, I can't sleep yet.  But I think the initials of DH were posted more than once, SS.  I'm trying to search SS thread for initials.  Ugh, I'm terrible at searching.

I agree, I would think many, many times!

[texasmom]

The most important part about the Germans was there successful use of Propaganda.
It is used everyday to sell you things.. In a more sinister use it can turn your attention from the obvious ...
They can have a man live in hell and he will think it is heaven.. Or they can make a man think he lives in hell when he really lives in heaven from the use of propaganda.
They just tell lies until you believe the lie over the truth.. and that is why you have seen so many lies in this case.. They used the various forms of media ..and lied until the cows came home..
Divide and Conquer.

The Lies, propaganda were not successful for the most part in this case, the corruption is what took us to where we are today.  There has to be something very wrong that proper safeguards were not taken though in relation to this search.  I am a complete idiot, I did not see this coming at all as a possibility.

Divide and Conquer gave me chills when I read it; if the entire crew had been on board when those samples were taken, I truly believe the outcome might have been different.  I would like to know if that mission by ALE was planned ahead of time or not, and who was aware it was going to take place. 

[Altruist]

Was invited last week to take a 10 day cruise of the Caribbean in February 2009 including the devils island, all expenses paid.  I simply said no thank you, I woud rather freeze my butt off in New England but thank you for thinking of me.

[Altruist]

Divide and Conquer gave me chills when I read it; if the entire crew had been on board when those samples were taken, I truly believe the outcome might have been different.  I would like to know if that mission by ALE was planned ahead of time or not, and who was aware it was going to take place.

We will never know, but I will tell you one thing IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED.  The proper safeguards should have been in place before they even began that trip, end of story.  Play nice, be politically correct, fine but don't be played for fools.  That should have not been possible & in that it was, that is very troubling & causes me great concern for I am not able to accept that as an acceptable reality under the known circumstances.