Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[IBE]

O/T all So. CAL Monkeys stay inside. Was outside for 10 min. Got sore throat. Soot all over place. Smell coming into home and I am at least 30-35 miles away from the fires.

Clean off all your cars, outdoor furniture, wash down the outside of the house... Soot eats in. I have personal loss in that area so know first hand. Stay safe!

[texasmom]

Was invited last week to take a 10 day cruise of the Caribbean in February 2009 including the devils island, all expenses paid.  I simply said no thank you, I woud rather freeze my butt off in New England but thank you for thinking of me.

I know what you mean!  Good job!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

O/T all So. CAL Monkeys stay inside. Was outside for 10 min. Got sore throat. Soot all over place. Smell coming into home and I am at least 30-35 miles away from the fires.

Clean off all your cars, outdoor furniture, wash down the outside of the house... Soot eats in. I have personal loss in that area so know first hand. Stay safe!

OT
Stay safe and thanks for warning others, IBE.

[Ono]

Why haven't we heard anymore about the crab cage ?  It just went "poof"...into the ether..It certainly appeared to be a skull to me.

What happened when everything just stopped?  What purpose would the FBI have for not telling anyone, maybe even the family, about the contents and the details of that cage? If Natalee was in there it would have been made known already...so if she is not in there what was? What would be the benefit of allowing this much time to pass without saying anything about the contents?  Would our own FBI deliberately withhold information that could solve this case? Who said it was a human skull?  Tim only got a glimpse and later said he realized it was not a skull or was it?  Even the good guys tell a little details while denying everything.

I am really beginning to sound like Shango...I need a vacation.

Perhaps the FBI isn't helping because the people involved with Natalee's disappearance are also people involved in DEA investigations.  The DEA investigations have a priority over Natalee.  Even Urine was on their watch list.

That's a good point.

The bigger picture.

Both Joran and Paulus mention an FBI guy being there, yet the Family say DEA Williams. I can't find Eric Williams tied to any of the neighboring Consuls, but did find another Williams tied to Barbados in the 2005 listings.

I think there may have been a FBI or retired FBI there at the time. Why else would Paulus and Joran throw that out there?

MUM:  I am so far behind reading, but do you mean the night Beth, Jug and their party arrived at the Sloots?  I always took it to mean that because of the seriousness of the situation and because of their conciousness of guilt, Paulus and Joran just automatically jumped to the conclusion & took for granted that Beth & Jug had indeed brought the FBI with them.  After all, I can imagine the Sloots were certainly taken off guard and panicked by the swift and unexpected visit of the Alabamians on a mission...

[IBE]

OE's post at the time:

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.

OK, so the Tim's are not implicated, they weren't onboard.  Who's left?  One is a monkey, and one a monkey's uncle?

Putting together some things that I've read here tonight, along with some things I already knew; I'm having some bad thoughts of someone I've thought highly of until now.  I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not feeling too good myself.  Anyhoo, if a monkey and a monkey's uncle are traitors, this can't turn out well. 

I've been over in the SS, trying to figure out what initials CAPS inadvertently posted.  I have no idea.

But I found this, any idea what this means, anyone?

Caps posted: from 1/29/2008

when pvds left the casino where did he go?

He went to seearch for the the extadite that yhe MIU needed to take out from the Island

Lala's? Anybody?

Human trafficking?

[Ono]

Kyle,
Can you please explain to me what you had talked about the other day? What do you believe was found in the trap and are awaiting the results on? DNA? if so from what? Remains? Can you explain what your definition of remains are? bottom line...was it bones?

I'll do the best I can...
- The samples were recovered by Aruban divers on the 7th of Jan. These samples include a fabric found inside the trap which was sent for a comparative analysis to the FBI. However, the samples were also reportedly DNA tested. I heard there were remains from a source, who likely referred to DNA as remains, as he said there was DNA found. However, it's rather ambiguous to me, but the take home message from the FBI is simply: they're not commenting on the case and the fabric wasn't Natalee's blouse. I'm unaware of any bone found.
Hope that helps some.
Reply #363 on: March 19, 2008, 11:36:39 PM »

This just jumped out at me:   If they are referring to denim - - denim would have been Natalee's skirt, not her blouse.  Wasn't her skirt denim ?  Didn't we hear the cage fabric was denim ??

[Ono]

I still maintain our FBI KNOWS. 

Me too...

[Ono]

NO,  fbi did not know everything.

I spoke too soon.... [ lol ]. ??

[SS]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

Helen - you're right which means that Caps probably just posted it once inadvertantly.  That takes me back to DH.

Allright, I can't sleep yet.  But I think the initials of DH were posted more than once, SS.  I'm trying to search SS thread for initials.  Ugh, I'm terrible at searching.

Helen - this was a quote from Caps on 5/8/08.  he was referrring to an email from Dave Holloway

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

[SS]

The only c name I can find is Candelario Booshi Wever, and he isn't a cop.

[Helen Back]

CLW stand for CapsLockWizard.  If those are the initials Kermit is talking about he's wrong.  Didn't I just say that a while back?

That can't be the initials Kermit is talking about.....he said CAPS inadvertently posted initials.

Not CLW....he posted that all the time and so did we.

Helen - you're right which means that Caps probably just posted it once inadvertantly.  That takes me back to DH.

Allright, I can't sleep yet.  But I think the initials of DH were posted more than once, SS.  I'm trying to search SS thread for initials.  Ugh, I'm terrible at searching.

Helen - this was a quote from Caps on 5/8/08.  he was referrring to an email from Dave Holloway

News: got email from the DH (not Dirty hand)

Oh yeah, so you think that's the inadvertent slip?

[Ono]

Evening Monkeys!  I am going crazy here.  I have tried to stay away from here for a while and be patient because it makes me insane.   BUT.......PLEASE.........TELL ME WHY IS EVERYTHING SO CRYPTIC??????   I don't think I can take it...........I just don't think I can figure it out>>

HELP

     I know the feeling.

[SS]

EURobert - you were looking for the location of the McDonalds.  Below is a description from Caps.

Follow the Star.: comming from Brickel Hotel on a straight path (road) to the first Star (A chinesee Restuarant) to the banks (gold bars) then make a left on the road where it is not paved.

Matty Apartment.: After Researching what the commun form to do a quicky is in Aruba, and from strategic elimination process and with the help of someone that work the escort industry, who lead me to the kalpoe father that owns the VIP club who's in the back there is an access to the appartments (6) where one will do a quicky where it is just of a coincidance is accross the street of the Monserat pond.

The only one that has change his way of operation is Matty. Now Matty the owner died long time ago, but this place is run by the Kalpoes famaly but they are not the only one with keys. The one that runs the News also has key to this apartments.

How far is it from McDonald. Just walk back to the Star and Mc Donnald is there across the street.

[Helen Back]

IMO, not enough letters.

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee!

[Blue Moon]

I have read back all pages and I am REALLY curious now who Kermit was talking about.  Got to go to bed now (wished I had checked in earlier) but I remember me commenting on the skull in the cage and Kermit responded back to me.  I will have to look for it tomorrow.

Nite all.

[SS]

Something is bothering me that I didn't wrap my head around until Kermit's posts.  It is very apparent that Silvetti and Dave knew about the trap contents because their wives posted photographs on BFN.  Why were they so angry at Red and Klaas when those photographs were sent to SM and posted?  The items in that photograph were confiscated by ALE and have since disappeared.  A piece of fabric was sent to Quantico.  Where are the rest of the items?  ALE won't even acknowledge that anything was ever in the trap.  We have learned that there was a cover up.  We have spent three years exposing ALE coverups.  Why are the trap contents off limits?  Why won't anyone even discuss the items that we've seen with our own eyes?  If I had any indication that the skull of my missing child had been in that trap, I would be a raving lunatic.  The silence that seems acceptable to all involved does not make sense.  Kermit says that there are American traitors and I don't think the reference is to Renfro.  There is a Monkey and the uncle of a Monkey who know the answers to the information that we are frantically trying to find.  The possible answers to these questions and the cover up are very disturbing to me.

[Ono]

Good night all....sooner or later, it will be solved.

[Altruist]

Me too, SS.

[wreck]

NO,  fbi did not know everything.

I spoke too soon.... [ lol ]. ??

Jumping ahead! Kermit was agreeing with me to a point and then "jumped off". Several months ago, I would end my post with the phrase "The FBI knows" -- Kermit usedto wink at that and agree.