Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[Lala'sMom]

O.K.  this may not be what we're looking for, but it peaked my interest....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.msg363077#msg363077

Caps posted:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 -
« Reply #578 on: March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM »

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.

LOL  You do know who that is don't you?

No...LOL...I need a nap!

Not sure if it is anything...but this wasn't posted in Shango...

Kermie...Come out and play, please

Me...John....Witness...Cops

[always 1]

Hi Wreck!

[texasmom]

O.K.  this may not be what we're looking for, but it peaked my interest....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.msg363077#msg363077

Caps posted:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 -
« Reply #578 on: March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM »

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.

LOL  You do know who that is don't you?

No...LOL...I need a nap!

Not sure if it is anything...but this wasn't posted in Shango...

Kermie...Come out and play, please

Me...John....Witness...Cops

That is what I thought too.  See my follow up post...
Did Kermit say it was posted in Shango?  I think I need to print out what she said so I can keep it straight!
 

[texasmom]

Johan,
Found this,

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg368417#msg368417

Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 26, 2008, 05:56:57 AM 
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:49:48 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

   
Reply Quote 
 
Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 26, 2008, 05:38:41 AM 
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:28:28 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.


Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.
 

[Lala'sMom]

TM
That is a very good question.  Caps posted in NCD a lot too.  Especially when we began to talk about Duetekom. 

I think if there is anything to the initials thing it has to be tied to that dive team.  So without knowing the members of the team we a re pretty much lost.  Caps had the initials of Steve Croes mixed up with a Garrido Croes and it was a little dicey as to clarity at that time.   

[SS]

3/15/08

on another note got a call from John...things looks good.

[MumInOhio]

O.K.  this may not be what we're looking for, but it peaked my interest....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.msg363077#msg363077

Caps posted:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #741 3/7 -
« Reply #578 on: March 08, 2008, 11:10:26 PM »

I think we all have worked very hard this week and I have not had a chance to enjoy a good laugh since I started with the Monkeys on my research.

I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This comming week is THE DAY.

Me and J & W and the C's are all in a agreement now that it must be there.

LOL  You do know who that is don't you?

No...LOL...I need a nap!

Not sure if it is anything...but this wasn't posted in Shango...

Kermie...Come out and play, please

Me...John....Witness...Cops

That is what I thought too.  See my follow up post...
Did Kermit say it was posted in Shango?  I think I need to print out what she said so I can keep it straight!
 

I copied them this morning...LOL

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #326 on: November 15, 2008, 06:52:38 PM »
Don't go away upset.
It's easy as one, two three.

write down the initials mum that you were given in the shango thread
think of who is telling what

then you will know who is who.

[Magnolia]

Kermit gave us this link to youtube.  It was in the midst of the other pictures, so I don't know if most of you caught it.  Is this Jossy's son.  The CNN article from last night says that he has more than one son who are divers.  Last spring, I also read somewhere that Jossy's son was one of the ALE divers so that information is definitely out there.  I also found the file name that Kermit used for this picture very interesting. I am really thinking that Jossy is one of the trio that Kermit is telling us about.  Jossy is also very involved with the pond witness, getting polygraphs in Houston, publishing the story in Diario, etc. 

I have been looking at this picture and it doesn't look like a current picture.  With todays technology it looks like an older camera.  I would say at least 10 years.

It is at least that old San.  The guy on that Web Site talks of sailing with
Capt Tony and Tony Tarracino died Nov 1 at age 92.  I knew him well.

[MumInOhio]

Johan,
Found this,

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg368417#msg368417

Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 26, 2008, 05:56:57 AM 
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:49:48 AM
Caps...There is a Karen Martina in the Dr. Phil documents listed as a friend of Freddy and Joran.  She was interviewed twice by Jacobs.


there is the missing link...it is a Martina.

Martina, Fred A = Martina, Fredy ARAMBATZIS

I will check the A initial from registry later.

   
Reply Quote 
 
Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 26, 2008, 05:38:41 AM 
Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 05:28:28 AM
Caps......It may have been the same judge that gave Ponson community service, so as not to mess up his work visa in the US for baseball, that let Joran out to go to school in the Netherlands.

I believe it was the precedent used in Joran's case.


Yep it was the same Judge. From inside KIA, the only man that do films is F.A.M. he was 25 at the time.

Fits the profile. Check the father...see who he is..I think he is a Sub prosecuter...something like that.
 

I have been thinking F.A.M.

Mainly because Caps has been telling us since February that the Freddy info is on it's way!!!!

[SS]

Reply from Caps to Mum on 3/26/08

Quote from: MumInOhio on March 26, 2008, 07:06:13 AM
Lala's...NO Judge Williams on Kermit's list of Judges that I can see! Did I miss it?

« Reply #3049 on: March 03, 2008, 11:47:30 PM » 

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From Kermit's post in the other thread:

"The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices."

[Altruist]

I wonder if Silvetti got a huge business tax break because he donated his services to Tim and TES.  Afterall, if that was identified as the primary purpose of the voyage an awful ot of expenses were deductible.  Oh, and maybe along they way the just happened to have found oil. 

Does anyone remember who donated the condos for the crew to stay in while they were on shore?

Think how it works when a company donates services to a non profit organization they are allowed to write off against income the market value of those services, the gross value of those services had they been performed for profit.

[MumInOhio]

Johan...Reply 7

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0


5:06 pm
sunmoonstars: Catherine Crier Fri

Based on the same suspicions as before. There are new suspicions, or they couldn't re arrest the K brothers.

Art Wood: We have known for a long time that the LE have statements from these boys. They Know where Natalee is.

Freddy Arandashi?? Uses the name Freddy Arends, he is a close friend and neighbor of Jorans.

[Pita]

Search and Rescue Aruba website

http://www.sarfa.org/aboutsarfa.html


STICHTING SEARCH AND RESCUE ARUBA 
 
Business address KONINGSTRAAT 28, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING SEARCH AND RESCUE ARUBA 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of 6 JANUARY 1994 
incorporation/commencement:
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
KOCK, PIERRE DANIEL MAX; 
Residing in  ROOI AFO 30-H, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 SEPTEMBER 1965 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  6 AUGUST 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, RUBEN EVERALDO; 
Residing in  SEROE PITA 33, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 21 AUGUST 1958 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, EDGAR ALEXANDER; 
Residing in  KONINGSTRAAT 28, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 AUGUST 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, ADOLPH SIEGFRIED; 
Residing in  SANTA CRUZ 30-A, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 JANUARY 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  6 AUGUST 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
LACLE, ILKA ANJOUSHKA; 
Residing in  SABANA BASORA 155-B, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 6 OCTOBER 1966 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

[SS]

517   Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 28, 2008, 02:59:31 PM 
one more question:

Who help the Texas AquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with someting. who is this person or enterprise.

CAPS

[yuknomenot]

You all are amazing!  At this point, all I can do is try to keep up, but there's no way I'll ever know even a fraction of what you do.   After reading what Kermit posted about a cop, a monkey and a monkey's uncle, is it possible that the uncle isn't actually a relative of the monkey?  That monkey's uncle refers to someone who will surprise us?  Kermit didn't say the or that monkey's uncle, he/she said a monkey's uncle. 

[wreck]

How much physical time was Tim Miller actually on the Persistence? Was he only on during the time Dateline was on?

[MumInOhio]

You all are amazing!  At this point, all I can do is try to keep up, but there's no way I'll ever know even a fraction of what you do.   After reading what Kermit posted about a cop, a monkey and a monkey's uncle, is it possible that the uncle isn't actually a relative of the monkey?  That monkey's uncle refers to someone who will surprise us?  Kermit didn't say the or that monkey's uncle, he/she said a monkey's uncle. 

Like..."Well I'll be a Monkey's Uncle"?

[yuknomenot]

You all are amazing!  At this point, all I can do is try to keep up, but there's no way I'll ever know even a fraction of what you do.   After reading what Kermit posted about a cop, a monkey and a monkey's uncle, is it possible that the uncle isn't actually a relative of the monkey?  That monkey's uncle refers to someone who will surprise us?  Kermit didn't say the or that monkey's uncle, he/she said a monkey's uncle. 

Like..."Well I'll be a Monkey's Uncle"?

Exactly.  Someone known, but who would not be thought to be on the wrong side of things.

[Pita]

517   Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 28, 2008, 02:59:31 PM 
one more question:

Who help the Texas AquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with someting. who is this person or enterprise.

CAPS


Brickel Bay, owned by Posner, assisted TES with food and lodging.

snipped....

When Ms. Natalee Holloway was first reported missing, the Government and the entire community of Aruba were shocked. This shock and empathy with the family of Ms. Holloway resulted in an immediate outpouring of help in many forms.

• Moral support • Financial contributions • Contributions by the hotel industry • Contributions by the local Government and other private sector members

Following is a listing of some of the contributions made to the search and rescue effort of the missing teen.

There have been many more that wish to remain anonymous.

Moral Support

• A psychologist was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty • A media liaison was offered by the Government of Aruba and used by Mrs.Twitty’s family for U.S. media coverage • Vigils by the community were held on various occasions to show support • Churches of all denominations held masses to pray for Natalee’s well being and safe return • Private group searches were held for weeks • Moral support in the form of visits of Government officials to the family

Financial Contribution

Banking members of Aruba US $ 20,000.00 Contributions from the Aruban Hotel Industry The Wyndham Resort (Lodging and work space for the family) Cost US $ 30,000.00 The Brickel Bay Hotel (Lodging, food and beverages of Equusearch) Cost US $100,000.00 The Holiday Inn (Lodging and meeting facilities) Cost US $ 89,736.00 Playa Linda Beach Resort (Lodging) Cost US $ 9,016.63

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/travel/entries/2006/04/27/would_you_boyco.html


Brickel Bay is listed as a donor on the TES webpage, along with Aruba Search and Rescue.....

http://www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

[Buckeye]

517   Natalee Holloway / Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers / Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2  on: March 28, 2008, 02:59:31 PM 
one more question:

Who help the Texas AquuSearch team when in Aruba. Either with food or lodging or with someting. who is this person or enterprise.

CAPS

Don't know the people that responded to the request, but this is the Press Release requesting Time Share donations:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007SellMyTimeshareNOW/12NataleeHolloway/prweb579942.htm