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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08 (Read 260040 times)
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Edward
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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It is all very redundant.
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Lala'sMom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 01:35:45 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 01:23:20 PM
Why did the pond get drained when no one was looking? Keep in mind that there were those that were working like crazy to get that pond drained for almost a month and all they could get was..."after this strike is over" comments. Think about it....study on it.
Why did this pond get drained by this company? Why would you be looking for the Tromp person in THAT pond when the only reason to drain it was because of a witness that claims to have seen JORAN and PAULUS in the area???? Think...people. What does that have to do with Tromp?
ALE wasn't looking for anything in the pond that was connected to Tromp. That was another one of their diversions. Only a dozen people showed up to help TES search for Tromp. They were looking for Urine's missing shoe in the pond and/or Natalee's body, because the early statements indicated that he had lost a shoe and the witness claimed that he was walking without one shoe. If Joran had been in the pond, he was likely disposing of Natalee. When TES scanned the pond, they obviously found something that appeared to be a shoe or something else, because they recommended that the pond be drained. They drained the pond secretly, at night, because they didn't want anyone to know what they found.
Bingo!!! Now fit that piece into the puzzle.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 01:24:43 PM
Why does Kermit keep going back to that crab cage? What was in the trap? What did Caps say it was used for? Think.
Caps said it was a post office for drug drops. In the picture, we saw what looks like a skull and a shoe.
But what did they tell us it was? What do we really know? What did we learn that was in the trap?
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Lala'sMom
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Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
What do we know? What do we REALLY know? I don't necessarily mean things that we can prove beyond reasonable doubt...I mean what do we know and can make an educated deduction that is most likely to be true????
Make a list...then put it in order and fit the pieces together.
Actually, I am hoping your guys can make the pieces fit....I know no more than the rest of you...probably less. I just keep asking these same questions. Questions that need answering.
Lala, I am sure that you have already done that exercise.
Tell us what you found.
For the life of me I do not understand all of the clues
that lead to confusion,
I would like nothing more than to see this mess solved.
I hate them all!
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Ono
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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November 15, 2008, 02:16:27 PM »
Why haven't we heard anymore about the crab cage ? It just went "poof"...into the ether..It certainly appeared to be a skull to me.
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Lala'sMom
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November 15, 2008, 02:20:53 PM »
Some things to think about:
Witness that places Joran at the racquet club. Time? Does it fit with the evidence as we have it?
Witness that places Joran at Monserat pond. Time? Does it fit with evidence as we have it?
Contents of crab cage found in ocean. Who took control of it? Does is relate to anything Natalee?
Who was on the computer if Joran was seen by a witness at 4 in the morning?
Why was Paulus in the jeep with Joran driving down the road at 4 in the morning?
Would Paulus really let Joran dump Natalee in that pond? What are the chances that pond would dry up naturally within the next 5 years? Does it drain on its on periodically?
Why did van der Straaten insert himself to such an extent that he was accused of being involved by another member of the government?
What have we been told was found in that pond?
What is the explanation of the caisno video with an unidentified male talking to Natalee? Who has yet to prove it was not Paulus?
Explain why the man in the video points out to Natalee something concerning Joran sitting across the table? What was Natalee's reaction? Did she appear to know either person?
Where are the FBI in all this? Why do they not help?
Who's casino was in the HI?
Why does Joran bring the Marriott into the story of leaving Natalee on the beach? Why did he pick that spot?
What was in each perp's story that is a clue to cover for being seen at various places?
Where did the story of the crypt originate? What other things happened that would fit into this story that seemingly do not fit?
Still lots of questions...piece by piece.
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Lala'sMom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
What do we know? What do we REALLY know? I don't necessarily mean things that we can prove beyond reasonable doubt...I mean what do we know and can make an educated deduction that is most likely to be true????
Make a list...then put it in order and fit the pieces together.
Lala, I am sure that you have already done that exercise.
Tell us what you found.
For the life of me I do not understand all of the clues
that lead to confusion,
I would like nothing more than to see this mess solved.
I hate them all!
Sorry about that. Here is what I meant to say:
Actually, I am hoping your guys can make the pieces fit....I know no more than the rest of you...probably less. I just keep asking these same questions. Questions that need answering.
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johan555
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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November 15, 2008, 02:24:45 PM »
is there something with BFN ?
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Magnolia
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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November 15, 2008, 02:24:58 PM »
Quote from: Ono on November 15, 2008, 02:16:27 PM
Why haven't we heard anymore about the crab cage ? It just went "poof"...into the ether..It certainly appeared to be a skull to me.
I think that ALE took the contents of the trap, according to Ocean.
They said that they did not have dive capabilities, but the CG Ship
Panther was seen there twice. And face it...on that island there
are twelve year olds that could make that dive.
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Lala'sMom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Ono on November 15, 2008, 02:16:27 PM
Why haven't we heard anymore about the crab cage ? It just went "poof"...into the ether..It certainly appeared to be a skull to me.
What happened when everything just stopped? What purpose would the FBI have for not telling anyone, maybe even the family, about the contents and the details of that cage? If Natalee was in there it would have been made known already...so if she is not in there what was? What would be the benefit of allowing this much time to pass without saying anything about the contents? Would our own FBI deliberately withhold information that could solve this case? Who said it was a human skull? Tim only got a glimpse and later said he realized it was not a skull or was it? Even the good guys tell a little details while denying everything.
I am really beginning to sound like Shango...I need a vacation.
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Quote from: johan555 on November 15, 2008, 02:24:45 PM
is there something with BFN ?
I got a message saying this account has been suspended.
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johan555
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: johan555 on November 15, 2008, 02:24:45 PM
is there something with BFN ?
I got a message saying this account has been suspended.
yes i also
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: johan555 on November 15, 2008, 02:24:45 PM
is there something with BFN ?
I got a message saying this account has been suspended.
hacked ?
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SS
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
What do we know? What do we REALLY know? I don't necessarily mean things that we can prove beyond reasonable doubt...I mean what do we know and can make an educated deduction that is most likely to be true????
Make a list...then put it in order and fit the pieces together.
Actually, I am hoping your guys can make the pieces fit....I know no more than the rest of you...probably less. I just keep asking these same questions. Questions that need answering.
Lala, I am sure that you have already done that exercise.
Tell us what you found.
For the life of me I do not understand all of the clues
that lead to confusion,
I would like nothing more than to see this mess solved.
I hate them all!
OK Lala's, scribble all over me if I get it wrong.
TES found the fish trap/drug post office. Tim said it looked like a skull and we saw the photographs. ALE must have claimed that it was drug evidence, so they came in and confiscated the contents - maybe some drug packages, but also the skull. They gave the FBI some unrelated fabric to test at Quantico and everything else disapppeared, including the skull and a possibe shoe. They covered it up even though we all saw the evidence. There was something belonging to Natalee and/or Urine in that fish trap.
A witness came forward with information about the pond. TES scanned the pond and Kyle told us they identified things. The pond was drained at night. ALE covered it up even though TES had seen something. Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was in the pond.
Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was found in the pond and in the fish trap.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: Edward on November 15, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
It is all very redundant.
What is redundant?
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Quote from: Edward on November 15, 2008, 02:04:08 PM
It is all very redundant.
Why would you make that statement?
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Lala'sMom
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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Quote from: SS on November 15, 2008, 02:30:12 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on November 15, 2008, 12:50:42 PM
What do we know? What do we REALLY know? I don't necessarily mean things that we can prove beyond reasonable doubt...I mean what do we know and can make an educated deduction that is most likely to be true????
Make a list...then put it in order and fit the pieces together.
Actually, I am hoping your guys can make the pieces fit....I know no more than the rest of you...probably less. I just keep asking these same questions. Questions that need answering.
Lala, I am sure that you have already done that exercise.
Tell us what you found.
For the life of me I do not understand all of the clues
that lead to confusion,
I would like nothing more than to see this mess solved.
I hate them all!
OK Lala's, scribble all over me if I get it wrong.
TES found the fish trap/drug post office. Tim said it looked like a skull and we saw the photographs. ALE must have claimed that it was drug evidence, so they came in and confiscated the contents - maybe some drug packages, but also the skull. They gave the FBI some unrelated fabric to test at Quantico and everything else disapppeared, including the skull and a possibe shoe. They covered it up even though we all saw the evidence. There was something belonging to Natalee and/or Urine in that fish trap.
A witness came forward with information about the pond. TES scanned the pond and Kyle told us they identified things. The pond was drained at night. ALE covered it up even though TES had seen something. Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was in the pond.
Evidence from Natalee and/or Urine was found in the pond and in the fish trap.
Who told us there was anything found in the pond?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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FYI - looks like BFN is down. Debbie posted at the backup forum she has notified Ian:
http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=4443#4443
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
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i shall look were the server is now
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Quote from: klaasend on November 15, 2008, 02:34:31 PM
FYI - looks like BFN is down. Debbie posted at the backup forum she has notified Ian:
http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=4443#4443
is she from dallas texas klaas ?
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