Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru 11/16/08

[Helen Back]

Posted by Kermit:


Perhaps the new pond witness was to get the focus off of the cage?
 
When did Caps present the pond witness?
When did Kyle tell you the cage was found?
Who is who? Remember the initials - it was a clue of who was involved to lead the monkeys away from bananas.

Why is there one tennis shoe inside THIS cage?
Why is there a skull inside THIS cage?
Why was all the focus changed to a pond that is dried up eh?
Monkey's can figure it out the cover-up.





"ALWAYS TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS" - kermit

Admittedly I am but a law abiding citizen of the USA BUT my major question is when faced with a majorly uncooperative entity as ALE & it's Central Governing body, at the point of the Persistence search when the cage was located WHY WAS NOT EVERY ITEM IN THAT CAGE AT LEAST ONE PIECE OF EVERY ITEM CONTAINED WITHIN NOT TAKEN BY A DIVER FROM THE PERSISTENCE SEARCH TEAM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????  This I will never understand, under the guise of team effort, that naievity is just not possible in grown men.  It can't be.

Can anybody clearly explain to an ignorant poster as myself?

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

This is what I remember, Kermit.  Persistence was allowed to search, but not allowed retrieve anything.  They had to notify ALE. 

[Kermit]

Thanks Mods.  The posts by Kermit and Caps initiated a lot of discussion.

I am still curious what initials Kermit was talking about.

They were posted in the shango thread.
Then follow what you know.

DTKM?

no

c
for the first name of the cop

then
the other is the monkey
and the monkey's uncle.

I have to hop now.

[wreck]

The family of Natalee became VERY quiet after the fish cage pics came out. They have been ever since. Private-eye was gone a week or so later.

[SS]

Kermit - who is the diver in the picture?  Jossy's son?

[Altruist]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

[MumInOhio]

Kermit - I see you lurking.  Here's a treat if you'll help us with the initials.

one is a polis officer.
one is a monkey's uncle.
one is a monkey.

Now can I eat the treat!
ribbit

 

I'm going back to the Shango thread...things are only half as cryptic there!

Don't go away upset.
It's easy as one, two three.

write down the initials mum that you were given in the shango thread
think of who is telling what

then you will know who is who.

Think I have them written down...LOL

Have an idea on who is who, but how will I ever know if I am right???

[Kermit]

Posted by Kermit:


Perhaps the new pond witness was to get the focus off of the cage?
 
When did Caps present the pond witness?
When did Kyle tell you the cage was found?
Who is who? Remember the initials - it was a clue of who was involved to lead the monkeys away from bananas.

Why is there one tennis shoe inside THIS cage?
Why is there a skull inside THIS cage?
Why was all the focus changed to a pond that is dried up eh?
Monkey's can figure it out the cover-up.





"ALWAYS TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS" - kermit

Admittedly I am but a law abiding citizen of the USA BUT my major question is when faced with a majorly uncooperative entity as ALE & it's Central Governing body, at the point of the Persistence search when the cage was located WHY WAS NOT EVERY ITEM IN THAT CAGE AT LEAST ONE PIECE OF EVERY ITEM CONTAINED WITHIN NOT TAKEN BY A DIVER FROM THE PERSISTENCE SEARCH TEAM???????????????????????????????????????????????????????  This I will never understand, under the guise of team effort, that naievity is just not possible in grown men.  It can't be.

Can anybody clearly explain to an ignorant poster as myself?

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

This is what I remember, Kermit.  Persistence was allowed to search, but not allowed retrieve anything.  They had to notify ALE. 

See the picture of them sitting on the Persistence.
How many dives were there?
Who dived?
What did private eye reveal?
What did caps inadvertently reveal with the initials?


I HAVE to go.
I don't relish anyone having frog legs for their din din.

[wreck]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

I agree!! (That is a big reason why that I think "our" side knows waaay more!!)

[Kermit]

Kermit - I see you lurking.  Here's a treat if you'll help us with the initials.

one is a polis officer.
one is a monkey's uncle.
one is a monkey.

Now can I eat the treat!
ribbit

 

I'm going back to the Shango thread...things are only half as cryptic there!

Don't go away upset.
It's easy as one, two three.

write down the initials mum that you were given in the shango thread
think of who is telling what

then you will know who is who.

Think I have them written down...LOL

Have an idea on who is who, but how will I ever know if I am right???

I'll be back like 007 and tell you if you wrote it correctly.

C = the cop's first name.

[Kermit]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

I agree!! (That is a big reason why that I think "our" side knows waaay more!!)

NO. They did not!

We have American traitors!

[Nut44x4]

I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THE FISH CAGE HELD REMAINS.

I'M WITH YOU

ME THREE

[Kermit]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

MONEY

follow up on them
see who they really are.

[always 1]

Bye Kermit, thank you.

[SS]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

Maybe that is why the left and not because of money.  Tim doesn't play games.

[Kermit]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

MONEY

follow up on them
see who they really are.

In fact, do it for Red, remember how they jumped him and accused him of leaking information.
It was a lie.

[Kermit]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

Maybe that is why the left and not because of money.  Tim doesn't play games.

Tim is innocent.

[Kermit]

Bye Kermit, thank you.

Be sweet my little Adeline until I return, legs in tack.

[Edward]

none of it.

Well, in general I tend to be critical too, but I'm not totally sceptical Even the police has stated that these guys have (drug-)raped girls before. And these days it's very easy to make a 'pornvid' on your cellphone. So some of the story could very well be true. But on the other hand it's well known that a chain of 'hear-say' often let's the facts grow bigger and bigger... So the question than of course is how far or deep did this go?

It is a tale of every community small and large around the world. There are always the elite and there bad habits.
It is a generalization. It is not a specific accusation against any one person and is not a location of a body.
It had an intent. To derail people minds and it is a professional placed piece of "Propaganda".
We worked this Shango thing over, line by line from the beginning of the Shango religion in Nigeria to the island of Aruba and we looked down every yellow brick road ............... It is Bull Carp.
mo.

The reason we have not solved anything is the tremendous amount of disinformation people are willing to Focus on.
But you are more then welcome to follow that road all over again..
jmho

I will agree that it is difficult (impossible) to separate the truth from misinformation.

But I do believe there was truth revealed in the very early days. Very early. As there is proof that Aruban Hospitality industries were spreading their spin and lies as searly as the 5th if June -- if not earlier.

But there is truth out there. It came out innocently and naturally before the misinformation began to spread.

And that's why so much of it disappeared.

jmo

In the very beginning we had arubagirl post about some locals talking hearsay.. and her post about the "drug dealer house party" and his disposal of her clothes in his garbage can.. His lack of concern because of his power.
I have always maintained that post in my thoughts as possible because it was before the disinformation campaign was launched.
She posted it here..and at RWV

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hey everyone. Not so many pages of posts but there are certainly some very relevant and interesting posts, with potential significance. I wish I could stay at the computer but unfortunately, time won't permit this week.

Klaas, I would think that Bram's evaluation of the case for Beth might include a review of liability the entities you mentioned might bear.

Janet- Very timely post and an excellent choice showing the foreshadowing of Jesus and then the reasons that we believers believe. I noticed though that in the foreshadowing, "the one" is going to be allowed to see their offspring, which reminds me of the debate whether Jesus had any children, and I assume Mary Magdalene would be the mother. I am really not that familiar with that theory, but am aware of it, and that mention is the first time I have noticed any writing that even suggests that if Jesus is the person mentioned in the prophecy, then it would not be against ALL of the teachings of the Bible for him to have had children. Anyway, it is good to read relevant scriptures in a timely fashion to reinforce the reason for the holiday. AND IT IS REALLY NOT OFF TOPIC BECAUSE IT MAKES DAVE AND BETH'S HEART A LITTLE LIGHTER TO REMIND THEM THAT INDEED LIFE IS EVERLASTING FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND ACCEPT, AND THEIR WORRIES A LITTLE LESS TO KNOW THAT NATALEE IS WITH A GOD WHO KNOWS THE PAIN OF WATCHING A CHILD SUFFER AND THUS GIVES THEM FAITH TO ALLOW AND TRUST HIM TO HEAL THERE PAIN. In addition, Easter is a holiday that Beth and her kids usually celebrated with Beth's Mom, so this is a joyous occasion as they celebrate the fact that Christ arose from the dead but also a very reflective time for Mrs. Reynolds as the silence of Natalee's disappearance can be deafening for the living she left behind. This holiday thus reinforces the belief that there is life after this life, and that while they may miss Natalee, she is where everybody hopes to be one day. It will be a good time to watch the tapes of all of the grandchildren parading around in their Easter clothes, enjoying each other and their family, and even hunting Easter Eggs:)

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

The grindstone is calling so everybody have a great day and Holiday weekend. Happy Easter:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg367178;topicseen#msg367178

[SS]

RV Persistence was there and under Aruba law.
Remember.
The divers were Aruban divers.
Cover-up

But that's what I mean, the cover-up status was a GIVEN at that point so why the use of the Persistence to ASSIST the continuance.  Why would the Persistence allow itself to be used in this manner, why would they not have had their own diver?  This I just can not fathom.  Had this been done in the first month then yes, but at the point that it took place, no then it was a waste of good people's time & efforts to do the work for the corruption to be continued.  This just makes no sense to me, Americans can not be that naieve.

MONEY

follow up on them
see who they really are.

In fact, do it for Red, remember how they jumped him and accused him of leaking information.
It was a lie.

Kyle was jumped on and accused of giving the picture out.