When will moral values return to America?

[WhiskeyGirl]

...During this same period the British media have been vilifying Americans, concentrating their venom on Sarah Palin. Her wholesome image is condemned as a manifestation of American fundamentalism that must never be allowed to be promulgated outside the USA. In the “Evening Standard” of 3 NovemberProfessor Simon Schama, whose current BBC television series is about the darkest episodes imaginable in evil America’s history, writes “Only Obama can make America walk tall again.” ( Does he think Americans ever stopped walking tall? ) What is so infuriating about what seems to be an endless fascination with ‘bad, vulgar, violent America” is that the Ross-Brand episode has brought considerable shame upon a very troubled nation, yet Britain and its media spokespeople seem hell-bent on portraying America as the birthplace of all known evils. It is true that Hollywood gives the world a boatload of violence and sex, but my chagrin derives from the total decline in dignity and the disintegration of a moral code in a Britain that used to be a beacon of hope to the world. Whilst condemning Sarah Palin as a freak of nature, role models in the United Kingdom aspire to making ever-more obscene broadcasts on national radio and television.

When did wholesome become a bad thing in America?  The world?  IIRC, Americans are among the most generous people on the globe.  Now I suspect the government is hell bent on taking our personal savings and our property will be next, trailer homes included. 

Those outside Britain will not be aware of a lamentable dumbing-down and crudeness that has become so much a part of life in the island Kingdom. Programmes like Little Britain celebrate the act of humiliation and characters like Brand and Ross become icons who encourage British youth to fall by the wayside. Gang culture is growing in London. Racist taunts of black players and violence amongst young men at football matches is at an all-time high. Americans will say, ‘Yes, but high school dropout rates are higher than ever over here.’ Sure, this is a fact, but watching the impeccable behaviour of a massive crowd of young American high school footballers, their band and beautiful cheerleaders on a recent BBC programme hosted by Stephen Fry gives one hope that the values ingrained in that culture will sustain it far more than the fractured society I see around me in Britain.

Will gang culture grow during the next administration?  Is this the future of America?  Continued attacks on religion and race?

Someone sees something good in American high schoolers?

Whoever inhabits the White House, one prays that as an adjunct to the “special relationship” mutual respect and a moral code permeate the lives of the next generation...

What a great wish for a nation.

read the rest here -
http://www.jewishcomment.com/cgibin/news.cgi?id=11&command=shownews&newsid=1032

[nonesuche]

Interesting in that the BBC just fired a radio host in their network over the broadcast of her private call to a cab company that was termed as "rascist". She's fighting the BBC now too with a lawsuit, I don't agree with her behavior but I also think Britain has a plethora of troubles on their own plate now.

So I can't listen too closely when the glass house throws stones at Palin.

[LouiseVargas]

Too bad. Too late. Moral values began to disappear years ago. Did you notice?

[nonesuche]

Yes Louise



Edit (Removed personal remarks about another poster)

[nonesuche]

Moderators I am objecting to Louise Vargas being allowed to come post taunts to anyone unwilling to worship her man Obama.

Please edit her post, not just mine - equity is important to me.

None ~  I edited your post because you singled another out by name and made comments about them. 

[Rammstein]

Moral values are not gone, they are redefining themselves.

[nonesuche]

oh certainly they are Ramm, you are correct - the morals upon which our constitution was founded aren't Obama's morals - not at all, nor his party.

This will become abundantly clear soon.

[Rammstein]

oh certainly they are Ramm, you are correct - the morals upon which our constitution was founded aren't Obama's morals - not at all, nor his party.

This will become abundantly clear soon.

one cannot expect the same morals to last for all those centuries. Morality is an ever fluent proposition IMO.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Too bad. Too late. Moral values began to disappear years ago. Did you notice?

I believe moral and ethical values are always with us.  It is people who seem to disregard them, fail to practice, or pervert them (for many reasons).  

For some reason, there seems to be an escalating war for material goods, and stealing from others to pay for the material goods (which become old and less fresh in a short amount of time).

Why is it that some want a new cutting edge phone every few months?  A new car?  Bigger and better bling?

Suddenly all these material things become a right and not something people work or save for.  What happened to saving?  Earning your material goods?

~~~~~~

In life, the seasons enjoy their time in the forefront of life. 

They start slowly, stay and enjoy their time, and pass on this glorious earth to the next season. No season,

Spring is all about gentle rain, buds and new growth.  Summer enjoys the warm flowers, leaves, and warm sunny days.  Each season passes on the next.  The winter depends on leaves from the fall to protect against the cold.  Spring growth is nourished from decaying fall leaves and water from winter snow.

No season remains forever.  Seasons make good use of what was left behind from bygone seasons.  No season lasts forever, and no season takes resources or time from the next to support their current time on earth.

With humans, they seem to take from future generations on a increasing basis.  They borrow money they do not have, they sell goods and services to people who cannot afford them and do not understand them, and try to tie up every resource in the present.  No concern for future generations, only excess in the present.   That is the most dangerous moral and ethical decay I see.

just my humble opinions

[nonesuche]

We are a democracy Ramm, not a socialist country. I really do not think right and wrong have changed radically. We know what the right thing is to do, lately the democrats have chosen not to do it. An example for me is abortion. Some view it as birth control, they will argue that point but I know too many who have used abortion as the fix for their own irresponsibility. Does it make abortion okay because women have that right? No my view is that I do want to have abortion as an emergency option but I do think it's taking another life. At least I'm honest about it and know if I make that choice I will have private consequences with my God.

There is no escaping right and wrong, it catches up with all eventually. Even Joran and Paulus.

[caesu]

history shows that eventually progressive liberalism will prevail and discrimination and bigotry will lose.

Proposition 8 was adopted in California, banning gay marriage.
ironically, the Mormon (former polygamist) church paid millions for Proposition 8 ads there.
but it's only a matter of time before this discrimination will be outlawed.

only forty years ago in many states mixed race marriages were illegal.
and a while before that blacks weren't even allowed to marry at all.

it may take a few decades, but one day there will be a prefectly qualified lesbian muslim mixed race President and First Lady entering the White House.

"and the morals upon which our constitution was founded" - that constitution allowed for discrimination (3/5 clause), slave trade (until 1808) and slavery.

[Rammstein]

We are a democracy Ramm, not a socialist country. I really do not think right and wrong have changed radically. We know what the right thing is to do, lately the democrats have chosen not to do it. An example for me is abortion. Some view it as birth control, they will argue that point but I know too many who have used abortion as the fix for their own irresponsibility. Does it make abortion okay because women have that right? No my view is that I do want to have abortion as an emergency option but I do think it's taking another life. At least I'm honest about it and know if I make that choice I will have private consequences with my God.

There is no escaping right and wrong, it catches up with all eventually. Even Joran and Paulus.

it has nothing to do with socialism but with the passing of time and the realization that people do have free wills.

I do not think abortion is a good thing but then it is not my choice. It is the choice of a woman who has a lump of cells in her body that in due course will grow into a living being but is not a living being yet (only first trimester IMHO should abortion be allowed or shortly after that, later abortions should only be undertaken to save the mothers life).

It is between her and her faith/religion/moral code.

I do think however that we should make it an option that is not needed by free/affordable birth control for men and women, good sex education to prevent teen pregnancies and good facilities/organizations that will find good homes for unwanted babies.

[nonesuche]

caesu, the reality is different from what you are detailing. Yes the Mormon Church did spend to run the ads against Proposition 8 but if you actually READ THE DETAIL you will see that it was predominately black female voters age 40+ who were the deciding vote.

I don't have an issue with same sex marriage but you tend to underestimate the opposition as limited to only Mormons or other religious faiths.

In reality it's the corporations and health insurers that don't want same sex marriage to continue, for if it's written into law their benefits have to support it !!!

Do the homework !!!

Why does having a muslim in our White House even matter to you? I think you must be of the muslim faith yourself and good for you, have at it but it's not a predominate/majority religion in the US so it's logical our leadership which SHOULD reflect our majority being a democracy, would not be muslim.

Please quit trying to muddy the waters with all of these random accusations.

[Rammstein]

caesu, the reality is different from what you are detailing. Yes the Mormon Church did spend to run the ads against Proposition 8 but if you actually READ THE DETAIL you will see that it was predominately black female voters age 40+ who were the deciding vote.

I don't have an issue with same sex marriage but you tend to underestimate the opposition as limited to only Mormons or other religious faiths.

In reality it's the corporations and health insurers that don't want same sex marriage to continue, for if it's written into law their benefits have to support it !!!

Do the homework !!!

Why does having a muslim in our White House even matter to you? I think you must be of the muslim faith yourself and good for you, have at it but it's not a predominate/majority religion in the US so it's logical our leadership which SHOULD reflect our majority being a democracy, would not be muslim.

Please quit trying to muddy the waters with all of these random accusations.

but there is no muslim in the White House.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Correction - "No season," should be "No season lasts forever."

There is no new deal, just a new swindle - imho

from the wiki - many ideas about the 10 Commandments and alternatives -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandment_Alternatives

Lots of links.

[nonesuche]

We are a democracy Ramm, not a socialist country. I really do not think right and wrong have changed radically. We know what the right thing is to do, lately the democrats have chosen not to do it. An example for me is abortion. Some view it as birth control, they will argue that point but I know too many who have used abortion as the fix for their own irresponsibility. Does it make abortion okay because women have that right? No my view is that I do want to have abortion as an emergency option but I do think it's taking another life. At least I'm honest about it and know if I make that choice I will have private consequences with my God.

There is no escaping right and wrong, it catches up with all eventually. Even Joran and Paulus.

it has nothing to do with socialism but with the passing of time and the realization that people do have free wills.

I do not think abortion is a good thing but then it is not my choice. It is the choice of a woman who has a lump of cells in her body that in due course will grow into a living being but is not a living being yet (only first trimester IMHO should abortion be allowed or shortly after that, later abortions should only be undertaken to save the mothers life).

It is between her and her faith/religion/moral code.

I do think however that we should make it an option that is not needed by free/affordable birth control for men and women, good sex education to prevent teen pregnancies and good facilities/organizations that will find good homes for unwanted babies.

Abortion isn't the example I intended for socialism at all, it was a moral example.

We are now choosing to fly in the face of free markets with all of these bail-out's and that IS socialism of the highest order. I frankly don't want ownership in the banks or the automakers. Don't force me by using my tax dollars for it.

Just as WhiskeyGirl has posted, we've elected a president based upon our corrupted voting system. If morality doesn't matter at that most basic level, then where does this new administration qualify morality begins? It makes them just like the previous administration then, the one they rail against and blame everything on.

Louise should at least read CNN.com, this piece blows a big hole in her assumption that McCain was a 'true' republican. It appeared yesterday long before her post.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/15/gop-senator-mccain-betrayed-republican-principles-2/

GOP senator: McCain betrayed Republican principles

From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby

 
A Republican senator hammered John McCain on Friday.

MYRTLE BEACH, South Carolina (CNN) — South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint on Friday became one of the first high-profile Republicans to publicly criticize John McCain following his electoral defeat, blaming the Arizona senator for betraying conservative principles in his quest for the White House.

The conservative senator, speaking to a group of GOP officials gathered in Myrtle Beach at a conference on the future of the Republican Party, described how the party had strayed from its own "brand," which, according to DeMint, should represent freedom, religious-based values and limited government.

"We have to be honest, and there's a lot of blame to go around, but I have to mention George Bush, and I have to mention Ted Stevens, and I'm afraid I even have to mention John McCain," he said.

DeMint offered a long list of complaints about McCain's record in the Senate and on the campaign trail.

"McCain, who is proponent of campaign finance reform that weakened party organizations and basically put George Soros in the driver's seat," DeMint said. "His proposal for amnesty for illegals. His support of global warming, cap-and-trade programs that will put another burden on our economy. And of course, his embrace of the bailout right before the election was probably the nail in our coffin this last election. And he has been an opponent of drilling in ANWR, at a time when energy is so important. It really didn't fit the label, but he was our package."


Bush and Stevens, he said, had corrupted the party brand by expanding the size of government and engaging in wasteful government spending. Had Republicans not strayed from their core beliefs in recent years, DeMint argued, the election results might have been different.

"Americans do prefer a traditional conservative government," he said. "They just did not believe Republicans were going to give it to them."

DeMint said he would introduce a Senate resolution next week to boot Stevens out of the Republican caucus, and "force votes" on Senate seniority rules that have allowed certain members to hold onto power. However, DeMint twice confused Ted Stevens with Ted Kennedy, drawing chuckles from the audience of Republicans, who hold neither senator in particularly high regard.

"One of our principles is that power corrupts, and you need to disperse it," DeMint said. "And if our own party allows ourselves to be destroyed by this idea, and are not willing to stand up, then we have to change everyone at the top."

[caesu]

that's why i wrote: prefectly qualified lesbian muslim mixed race President and First Lady entering the White House.
race, religion, sexual orientation shouldn't matter.

watch Colin Powell again, endorsing Obama:

"But the really right answer is, what if he is?  Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?"

and yes, many blacks voted for Proposition 8.
Obama also never really spoke out against it.
apparently it's still to early for a black President AND outlawing discriminatory laws for marriages.

[nonesuche]

caesu, the reality is different from what you are detailing. Yes the Mormon Church did spend to run the ads against Proposition 8 but if you actually READ THE DETAIL you will see that it was predominately black female voters age 40+ who were the deciding vote.

I don't have an issue with same sex marriage but you tend to underestimate the opposition as limited to only Mormons or other religious faiths.

In reality it's the corporations and health insurers that don't want same sex marriage to continue, for if it's written into law their benefits have to support it !!!

Do the homework !!!

Why does having a muslim in our White House even matter to you? I think you must be of the muslim faith yourself and good for you, have at it but it's not a predominate/majority religion in the US so it's logical our leadership which SHOULD reflect our majority being a democracy, would not be muslim.

Please quit trying to muddy the waters with all of these random accusations.

but there is no muslim in the White House.

Ramm you must not have read caesu's post in entirety, this is excerpted from his/her post. I am posting it in red so you can read it readily.

"it may take a few decades, but one day there will be a prefectly qualified lesbian muslim mixed race President and First Lady entering the White House."

[nonesuche]

that's why i wrote: prefectly qualified lesbian muslim mixed race President and First Lady entering the White House.
race, religion, sexual orientation shouldn't matter.

watch Colin Powell again, endorsing Obama:

"But the really right answer is, what if he is?  Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?"

and yes, many blacks voted for Proposition 8.
Obama also never really spoke out against it.
apparently it's still to early for a black President AND outlawing discriminatory laws for marriages.

Unlike you caesu, I don't respect some of Colin Powell's tactics, even some which occurred long before the election. It has nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with his lack of character at times to advance his personal causes.

[nonesuche]

that's why i wrote: prefectly qualified lesbian muslim mixed race President and First Lady entering the White House.
race, religion, sexual orientation shouldn't matter.

watch Colin Powell again, endorsing Obama:

"But the really right answer is, what if he is?  Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?"

and yes, many blacks voted for Proposition 8.
Obama also never really spoke out against it.
apparently it's still to early for a black President AND outlawing discriminatory laws for marriages.

Maybe you need to ask MICHELLE what her vote would be?