Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru 11/19/08

[bastibro]

Bastibro - Greta most likely went to Seattle for lunch in the Space Needle.  I lived in Seattle for a time and the restaurant up there is really very good.

"awkward" - means he soiled his undergarments.

Thanks SS, why didn`t i think of that myself 
And Paulus nothing new to us, the dirt bag poop ass

[johan555]

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[Sam]

What does Joran's shirt say???  World Without......................?????

Hi all,

I have seen those shirts before it says

World without strangers


Thanks Muminohio for confirming my memory was still ok and thanks for clarifying where Luke came from.

Sam

[bastibro]

Another troll

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Alles wat Peter R dus niet vertelde, en ons niet wilde laten zien

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that disgusting, crazy psychic

yes a whole network jerks   Bastibro

[WhiskeyGirl]

Now after almost a year, other stuff comes back...

Selection of the next area, the “Extended Search Area”, was based on one single piece of information, a reported confession by one of the three suspects. This confession, as relayed to the survey team, has some credence. It involves the same type of disposal scenario, but better defines the search area. This information in combination with the weather patterns observed by the survey team since our arrival on December 15th left only one boundary to define. The team needed to observe the island from offshore on a small vessel at night to determine this boundary. Sounds easy….huh?

After 2 unsuccessful attempts using a local vessel due to fuel and mechanical problems, the decision was made to utilize the R/V Persistence’s Rescue Boat, the “Avon”. The Avon is a 16’ center console inflatable vessel powered by a 70 hp Tohatsu engine. Prior to dark, the Avon was launched from the Persistence and piloted to the Holiday Inn Pier by Captain Jim Graves. Later that evening, John Silvetti boarded the vessel with Capt. Graves, transited to the start point, and commenced an offshore run documenting the time and vessel position with a WAAS enabled hand-held GPS system. At one mile out, radio communications were confirmed with the Persistence. At six miles out, radio communications were again confirmed along with spot light identification as the Avon crossed astern of the Persistence. It was somewhere shortly after this point that Murphy boarded the Avon!

The weather was very similar to the recorded weather of late May, 2005. The seas were running 4-6’ with swells of 6-8’. It was rough for an Avon! Upon reaching the final destination point while documenting the final position, the engine sputtered and stalled. It never started again! Approximately 30 minutes of effort to restart the engine was fruitless. I believe that is when we noticed that we were taking on water! HELLO HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM!

As we watched Aruba disappear over the horizon, contemplating our broken engine, a vessel taking on water and the fact that we are about to enact the emergency contingencies of our procedures, Capt. Graves stated, “ I am sure glad that it is so dark!” I took the bait. Why? Because I believe we would be scared to death if we could see how big these waves are! Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Silence. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 16 ..over! Five minutes of silence. Back up frequency. Persistence…Persistence….this is Avon on channel 09 ..over! Five minutes of silence. VHF comms failure. Ya gotta love Murphy.

Thanks to the support of Coast Guard Curacao, Aruban Port Authority and some unbelievable cell phone coverage, the Persistence plucked us out of the water approximately 16 miles offshore Aruba. We had acquired a tremendous amount of information to determine the last boundary and learned a few lessons:

1) Never use your lower back to absorb the shock of pounding seas when you are fat and out of shape.
2) Never get fat and out of shape.
3) No matter how complete and thorough your safety procedures are, never count Murphy out!

-John Silvetti

http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

I don't remember if anything was decided about possible cell phone calls.  Cell service 16 miles into the ocean, away from Aruba.  Also, a 16' boat made it that same distance under similar conditions that existed May 30th.  How big was the boat KG had access to?

[Edward]

Anyways..

The video with Marcos in it clearly indicates the area of Bloomfields in Nicuragua.
This is where Marcos said he buried her along the beach.

Marcos was supposed to have a GPS device belonging to Tim on him..
He was supposed to leave the device where Natalee was buried.

After calling Tim on the phone, he said there has been a change in plans.. and that he had Natalee with him.. Which you know means somebody caught him and had a gun to his head..
He told Tim he was going to bring Natalee to Tim.. Like that was even possible.

And Marcos has never been seen or herd from again.. No idea what happened to the GPS unit.. No idea of what happened to Marcos...

Here is a picture of the area pointed to in the video..



btw
I never said anything bad about Jossy.. I like him
He is my favorite Mobster Lobster..

I just think he loves his brother and has covered for him..
Joran supplied him with a girl.
He had company..


The early arubagirl post tells the story.. She posted it here and it was also posted at RWV

I have it saved, but I would have to find it..
I am not as good as Pita.. Who has one of the most organized minds I have ever come across.
 

[SS]

Comment by Greta Van Susteren
November 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am
i spoke to the prosecutor and offered to show him what we have but he said he wants to see it but does not work weekends…how do you like THAT?

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/11/17/the-latest-2/comment-page-1/#comments

 

When it comes to Natalee's case they don't work at all!!!

I agree Mum unless something regarding the coverup needs work such as new witnesses etc.

Hi TM...I do not ever remember Caps posting anything bad about Jossy, do you?

Little intrigued here as to why Edward keeps referring to Jossy and Luis.

Still looking for those initials,as well...I didn't get a clue to them from Kermit's posts!

No, I don't recall anything bad about Jossy.  

Mum - I can't recall Jossy ever giving any negative information about Jossy or any of the Mansurs.

[SS]

Sorry !!!!  Edit.

I can't remember Caps ever giving any negative information about Jossy or any of the Mansurs.

[texasmom]

Anyways..

The video with Marcos in it clearly indicates the area of Bloomfields in Nicuragua.
This is where Marcos said he buried her along the beach.

Marcos was supposed to have a GPS device belonging to Tim on him..
He was supposed to leave the device where Natalee was buried.

After calling Tim on the phone, he said there has been a change in plans.. and that he had Natalee with him.. Which you know means somebody caught him and had a gun to his head..
He told Tim he was going to bring Natalee to Tim.. Like that was even possible.

And Marcos has never been seen or herd from again.. No idea what happened to the GPS unit.. No idea of what happened to Marcos...

Here is a picture of the area pointed to in the video..



btw
I never said anything bad about Jossy.. I like him
He is my favorite Mobster Lobster..

I just think he loves his brother and has covered for him..
Joran supplied him with a girl.
He had company..


The early arubagirl post tells the story.. She posted it here and it was also posted at RWV

I have it saved, but I would have to find it..
I am not as good as Pita.. Who has one of the most organized minds I have ever come across.
 

I agree about Pita, wish I was as organized as she is!   

[texasmom]

Sorry about that Edward, I posted in your quote!   

BTW great info on the Marco story, Thanks!   

[SS]

Anyways..

The video with Marcos in it clearly indicates the area of Bloomfields in Nicuragua.
This is where Marcos said he buried her along the beach.

Marcos was supposed to have a GPS device belonging to Tim on him..
He was supposed to leave the device where Natalee was buried.

After calling Tim on the phone, he said there has been a change in plans.. and that he had Natalee with him.. Which you know means somebody caught him and had a gun to his head..
He told Tim he was going to bring Natalee to Tim.. Like that was even possible.

And Marcos has never been seen or herd from again.. No idea what happened to the GPS unit.. No idea of what happened to Marcos...

Here is a picture of the area pointed to in the video..



btw
I never said anything bad about Jossy.. I like him
He is my favorite Mobster Lobster..

I just think he loves his brother and has covered for him..
Joran supplied him with a girl.
He had company..


The early arubagirl post tells the story.. She posted it here and it was also posted at RWV

I have it saved, but I would have to find it..
I am not as good as Pita.. Who has one of the most organized minds I have ever come across.
 

Edward - do you think it's possible that Marcos was working for ALE?  It's possible that he was able to get Tim and Dave away from Persistence and Aruba while the ALE divers cleaned the cage on January 7th.

[Kermit]

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« Reply #139 on: February 23, 2008, 08:03:29 PM » Quote
"My main regret with the broadcast is John Silvetti not getting the credit he was due."

[Kermit]

Remember when Red & the Monkeys were asked to help raise money so a smaller boat could go back to Aruba and continue the search.

It appears that John Sivetti Company owns a smaller boat
http://www.jdsilvetti.com/sms.html




jdsurveyor1 posted: John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2008, 10:31:12 PM »
other than what was shared with the authorities, is in our possesion.  No data has yet to be released, especially target data......locations.
blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.15

WHO RETRIEVED THE EVIDENCE?
oceanexploration posted: December 18, 2007, 01:38:22 PM »
 ] We must use all available press agencies to shed light onto the authorities involved.
 http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7907.405



oceanexploration
February 25, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
When the search is concluded and the investigation completed I will perhaps be able to comment in greater detail about targets.  For now, mum's the word.  Dateline should have followed the same protocol
/blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8381.0



oceanexploration
 first round of ROV dives between Dec 29th to about the 7th of January
blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8398.135

JQK said it would not be possible to recover the body at this time because of the manner of disposal.

 
private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

[Kermit]

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

I lurv flies.
Thank you.

[Kermit]

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

You're welcome Sleuth!


Thanks Kermit!  

This is information that we all needed to know.  Thank you for helping us get to it.

P. S. You do know that my "WANTED" sign was made with love I hope! 

I saw it and loved it. Thank you.
ribbit.

[Kermit]

Kermit's Follow up questions:

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?

Morning Monkeys!
That frog snuck in like Santa Claus.  I was here alone.
I looked away and his post were here and he was not.  Amaing!
Then my computer went wonky and I just turned it off and went to bed.

Back to the Persistence....Kyle said that they were waiting for a dive
crew to fly in...maybe an FBI dive team.
Then I remember that he posted that the dive team had arrived.

Santa Claus is my code name.
ribbit

[Edward]

I do not know about ALE
With Drug runners involved you would have to suspect organized crime..

My question is this..

Tim..Where is that GPS device ?
Tim.. What ever happened with Marcos ? Has anyone ever herd from him since ?

Was Tim pulled away from the persistence ? Nope he is in the video..
Looking at the divers in the Huge Crab trap..
10 times larger then any one man.. Seeing the diver put the thumbs down.
Tim was standing there to see that part.. Were the items pulled from the trap at that time or a later time.. ?

If not Marcos no longer appears to be of this world..
That is the signature of organized crime...Silence
So I hope he is still alive..

In the world of organized crime.. The U.S. Government made accusation and conviction of 2 M.
Aruba made accusation and conviction of 1 M.
What was his name again..
Who is on first ?

[SS]

Kermit - do you know of any family relationships, like monkeys with uncles?

[Kermit]

BUCKSHOT....I believe the pond only came to light from Caps...Some-one please correct me if I am wrong.

Jan 29th...a post saying pumps were needed...posted yesterday.

Feb 8th?...posts from Caps about the witness on his porch...posted by SS yeserday

There is another post, which I am looking for by Caps that said we had the wrong pond...I believe that is when Caps put on the Monserat Avatar.

I believe Caps knew about the pond before he came here...I also do not think he just happened on SM after visiting his parents. JMO

That does NOT mean that his intentions are not good...

and John Silvetti mentioned the pond.
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:42 pm    Post subject: John Silvetti Posts at BFN

[Kermit]

Kermit - do you know of any family relationships, like monkeys with uncles?

caps has an uncle.