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« Reply #40 on: November 17, 2008, 12:56:10 AM »

Are we all staying on in case Kermit comes back?   
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« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2008, 12:59:19 AM »

I'll admit it I have been.  Only slept 3 hrs., this is biting at me.
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« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2008, 01:00:43 AM »

I'll admit it I have been.  Only slept 3 hrs., this is biting at me.

Yep we need to fry his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2008, 01:08:43 AM »

Poor little Natalee.  They all used her for their own gains.

I just don't see why they could not give back her body or some part of it,
so that her family could lay her to rest.

I may be wrong, but I DO NOT think that CAPS has led us up a primrose
path.  He has done a lot of research.  He has never said that she was
not in the fish trap.  He is nothing like Julia Renfro or Charles Croes.
The only thing that has bothered me was he said that Joran chopped
her up with a big knife.  I think he was upset that he was doubted.

I agree with most of what you've said Magnolia.  My opinion about Caps has not changed.  I haven't taken the time to think about his most recent post, I need to go back and read it; you may be right about that too. 

I don't know if we found any of the information that Kermit tried to help us with or not; if we didn't it was certainly not because we didn't try.  There are many crew members that I know absolutely nothing about, I don't want to think the worst of the few that I did know something about.  I want to know the truth, if I need to do a lot more research; I'll do it.  The mission of the Persistence gave us all hope when there wasn't any.  I still believe that most were there for the right reason, and sacrificed a lot to do what they did.  If what was suggested is true, I pity the fools that used this family's pain for monetary gain and left them to suffer not knowing the truth.  They will have to look at themselves in the mirror and live with what they've done; and they will answer to God in the end. 

Hey guys,

I'm not sure we found any of the information we were pointed to.  I think it's kind of a hot mess.
I'm not positive that the guy in the red shirt in the Persistence photo is Mr. Silvetti, but I think someone identified him and Hans Mos.  Otherwise, I don't know who the others are. 

I have drawn no conclusions about any of the folks.  We need the initials from the Shango thread, we need to know who the divers were, and there's definitely something fishy about how many dives there were, and on what days.  PI' post indicates the FBI did not receive what was seen in the photos.

I don't think CAPS' credibility has been questioned, simply that the initials he posted would give a clue as to who diverted monkeys attention away from the sea search and toward the pond story. 

Monkey needs rest.  Nite all.

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« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2008, 01:22:22 AM »

Well I know that long, long ago somebody did post about a very swampy area, quicksand like area that could have been utlilized by the beasts, & at that time it was so frustrating as it was known to be an area that had not been searched but IIRC it was more southeast, but that may not be correct.  Anyway when Clw described similiar conditions to the Monserat Pond with water in it & the warnings received as a youngster it brought that flashback, I have thought of it often as I believe somehow the area described did have piping somewhere around it & guess water supply came to mind.
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« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2008, 01:38:47 AM »

I'll admit it I have been.  Only slept 3 hrs., this is biting at me.

Yep we need to fry his legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I thought you said you needed to give him a fly!

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« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2008, 01:41:49 AM »

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940


Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?


Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880


Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380


   

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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2008, 01:44:37 AM »

Poor little Natalee.  They all used her for their own gains.

I just don't see why they could not give back her body or some part of it,
so that her family could lay her to rest.

I may be wrong, but I DO NOT think that CAPS has led us up a primrose
path.  He has done a lot of research.  He has never said that she was
not in the fish trap.  He is nothing like Julia Renfro or Charles Croes.
The only thing that has bothered me was he said that Joran chopped
her up with a big knife.  I think he was upset that he was doubted.

I agree with most of what you've said Magnolia.  My opinion about Caps has not changed.  I haven't taken the time to think about his most recent post, I need to go back and read it; you may be right about that too. 

I don't know if we found any of the information that Kermit tried to help us with or not; if we didn't it was certainly not because we didn't try.  There are many crew members that I know absolutely nothing about, I don't want to think the worst of the few that I did know something about.  I want to know the truth, if I need to do a lot more research; I'll do it.  The mission of the Persistence gave us all hope when there wasn't any.  I still believe that most were there for the right reason, and sacrificed a lot to do what they did.  If what was suggested is true, I pity the fools that used this family's pain for monetary gain and left them to suffer not knowing the truth.  They will have to look at themselves in the mirror and live with what they've done; and they will answer to God in the end. 

Hey guys,

I'm not sure we found any of the information we were pointed to.  I think it's kind of a hot mess.
I'm not positive that the guy in the red shirt in the Persistence photo is Mr. Silvetti, but I think someone identified him and Hans Mos.  Otherwise, I don't know who the others are. 

I have drawn no conclusions about any of the folks.  We need the initials from the Shango thread, we need to know who the divers were, and there's definitely something fishy about how many dives there were, and on what days.  PI' post indicates the FBI did not receive what was seen in the photos.

I don't think CAPS' credibility has been questioned, simply that the initials he posted would give a clue as to who diverted monkeys attention away from the sea search and toward the pond story. 

Monkey needs rest.  Nite all.



 
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2008, 02:51:02 AM »

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

If we are going to talk about this today, let's review what Kermit said.

We reviewed PI's post and it's clear from his conversation with Kyle that what is show in the pictures is not what was sent to the FBI.  It seems someone switched the fabric and whatever genetic material was discovered.  There appears to be a skull and a shoe in the photographs we saw.  Kermit is telling us to look at the divers, obviously they covered up what was discovered in the trap. 

and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940
Although Kermit says post 940 for SS, I think meant 942: John Silvetti


Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?
??

Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880
on a thai forum :
Joran can only  have a big mouth umong his Aruban people. Not among, Thaipeople
Now he is a hunted deer. And not by one man

so i think he is still in Thailand  jmo


Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money
I've had some time to settle my brains, and a number of things are coming up for me.  Last night, someone mentioned oil exploration.  I think this is one purpose  of Silvetti's business.  This could be a wild thought, but is it possible that an agreement was made with Arube to scan and grid for future offshore drilling sites while searching for Natalee at the same time?  It's interesting that Persstence did stay and complete the grids even after ALE took the trap contents.  Persistence was there for at least another month after ALE divers took the evidence.  Did some people make some money off of this oil exploration deal?  Aruba has a surface grid of the ocean off their coast, TES found the evidence they wanted, and Silvetti (et. al.) could have made a lot of money creating the grid map of the ocean floor.  Just a thought.


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700
There must have been another set of pictures showing evidence retrieved from the cage.  PI mentioned "zip lock bags".  There must have been pictures involving zip lock bags with contents.
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540
Side note:
We were discussing Ocean Explorer (Kyle). Many of us now think he was "duped" and kept "out of the loop". I remember tamiko's mom commenting at the time that she thought OE was lying to us about the "pond search." ........ At the time, I told her he just wasn't in on all the details --- now, I'm am really convinced he was an unknowing pawn. I am suspicious of Persistence management. Nothing is making any rational sense. Part of Natalee WAS in that trap -- I have always thought this!

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540
C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but...
....

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520
Kermit said he would "sneak in like 007" if we were getting warm! (Kermit doesn't want to be "outted")


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
Quote from PI's post:

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400

??
    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380
The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

   


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« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2008, 02:54:30 AM »

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

This is what Helen said:

If we are going to talk about this today, let's review what Kermit said. 

We reviewed PI's post and it's clear from his conversation with Kyle that what is show in the pictures is not what was sent to the FBI.  It seems someone switched the fabric and whatever genetic material was discovered.  There appears to be a skull and a shoe in the photographs we saw.  Kermit is telling us to look at the divers, obviously they covered up what was discovered in the trap. 



and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940

Posted the two pics with John Silvetti

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?


Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880

johan555 said:
on a thai forum :
Joran can only  have a big mouth umong his Aruban people. Not among, Thaipeople
Now he is a hunted deer. And not by one man

so i think he is still in Thailand  jmo




Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money

SS said:
I've had some time to settle my brains, and a number of things are coming up for me.  Last night, someone mentioned oil exploration.  I think this is one purpose  of Silvetti's business.  This could be a wild thought, but is it possible that an agreement was made with Arube to scan and grid for future offshore drilling sites while searching for Natalee at the same time?  It's interesting that Persstence did stay and complete the grids even after ALE took the trap contents.  Persistence was there for at least another month after ALE divers took the evidence.  Did some people make some money off of this oil exploration deal?  Aruba has a surface grid of the ocean off their coast, TES found the evidence they wanted, and Silvetti (et. al.) could have made a lot of money creating the grid map of the ocean floor.  Just a thought.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700

Buckeye said:
There must have been another set of pictures showing evidence retrieved from the cage.  PI mentioned "zip lock bags".  There must have been pictures involving zip lock bags with contents. 

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Wreck said:
Side note:
We were discussing Ocean Explorer (Kyle). Many of us now think he was "duped" and kept "out of the loop". I remember tamiko's mom commenting at the time that she thought OE was lying to us about the "pond search." ........ At the time, I told her he just wasn't in on all the details --- now, I'm am really convinced he was an unknowing pawn. I am suspicious of Persistence management. Nothing is making any rational sense. Part of Natalee WAS in that trap -- I have always thought this!

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Mum said:
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Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 08:53:44 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
Who was Simian's uncle that was a polis officer?
Rudolph Solinger?



Rufo...Simian was Monkey!!!!



C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but...............



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

vms said:

I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

Wreck said:
Kermit said he would "sneak in like 007" if we were getting warm! (Kermit doesn't want to be "outted")

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Wreck said:
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit



    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
Helen said:

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400

Klaas said:
Get this straight, I have no idea who actually gave those photos to Robin.  All I know is that Robin gave permission for the photos to be posted at BNH and someone emailed them to me.

Who really sent them to Robin I couldn't tell you and NO, I will not take Robin's word for it.


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380
Wreck said:
The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

   

I went back and posted all the posts that Kermit cited in Red.  Congratulations to all the winners, GREAT WORK Monkeys!.... and us losers will just have to work harder!

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2008, 02:56:27 AM »

Well I know that long, long ago somebody did post about a very swampy area, quicksand like area that could have been utlilized by the beasts, & at that time it was so frustrating as it was known to be an area that had not been searched but IIRC it was more southeast, but that may not be correct.  Anyway when Clw described similiar conditions to the Monserat Pond with water in it & the warnings received as a youngster it brought that flashback, I have thought of it often as I believe somehow the area described did have piping somewhere around it & guess water supply came to mind.

Altruist -good memory -you may be referring to the Spanish Lagoon area.   I posted about that from the very beginning - it is southeast, swampy.  It is actually closer to Lorenzo than to the Van der Sloot's.  Yes also to the piping.

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« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2008, 03:00:27 AM »

Kermit's Follow up questions:

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2008, 03:04:24 AM »

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

This is what Helen said:

If we are going to talk about this today, let's review what Kermit said. 

We reviewed PI's post and it's clear from his conversation with Kyle that what is show in the pictures is not what was sent to the FBI.  It seems someone switched the fabric and whatever genetic material was discovered.  There appears to be a skull and a shoe in the photographs we saw.  Kermit is telling us to look at the divers, obviously they covered up what was discovered in the trap. 



and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940

Posted the two pics with John Silvetti

Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?


Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880

johan555 said:
on a thai forum :
Joran can only  have a big mouth umong his Aruban people. Not among, Thaipeople
Now he is a hunted deer. And not by one man

so i think he is still in Thailand  jmo




Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money

SS said:
I've had some time to settle my brains, and a number of things are coming up for me.  Last night, someone mentioned oil exploration.  I think this is one purpose  of Silvetti's business.  This could be a wild thought, but is it possible that an agreement was made with Arube to scan and grid for future offshore drilling sites while searching for Natalee at the same time?  It's interesting that Persstence did stay and complete the grids even after ALE took the trap contents.  Persistence was there for at least another month after ALE divers took the evidence.  Did some people make some money off of this oil exploration deal?  Aruba has a surface grid of the ocean off their coast, TES found the evidence they wanted, and Silvetti (et. al.) could have made a lot of money creating the grid map of the ocean floor.  Just a thought.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700

Buckeye said:
There must have been another set of pictures showing evidence retrieved from the cage.  PI mentioned "zip lock bags".  There must have been pictures involving zip lock bags with contents. 

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

Wreck said:
Side note:
We were discussing Ocean Explorer (Kyle). Many of us now think he was "duped" and kept "out of the loop". I remember tamiko's mom commenting at the time that she thought OE was lying to us about the "pond search." ........ At the time, I told her he just wasn't in on all the details --- now, I'm am really convinced he was an unknowing pawn. I am suspicious of Persistence management. Nothing is making any rational sense. Part of Natalee WAS in that trap -- I have always thought this!

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
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Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 08:47:44 PM
Who was Simian's uncle that was a polis officer?
Rudolph Solinger?



Rufo...Simian was Monkey!!!!



C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but...............



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
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vms said:

I don't understand any of this but it was Tim Trahan, an American, who went down with the Aruban divers and came back up and told Tim Miller there was nothing.


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
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Wreck said:
Kermit said he would "sneak in like 007" if we were getting warm! (Kermit doesn't want to be "outted")

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Wreck said:
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit



    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
Helen said:

Sounds to me like the material recovered was switched and the photos were also switched.



 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400

Klaas said:
Get this straight, I have no idea who actually gave those photos to Robin.  All I know is that Robin gave permission for the photos to be posted at BNH and someone emailed them to me.

Who really sent them to Robin I couldn't tell you and NO, I will not take Robin's word for it.


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380
Wreck said:
The Persistence left VERY abruptly -- Red stated that he was flabbergasted by the news. Folks, is the Persistence owner (Silvetti) the questionable one here?

   

I went back and posted all the posts that Kermit cited in Red.  Congratulations to all the winners, GREAT WORK Monkeys!.... and us losers will just have to work harder!

 

Texasmom,
we think alike....
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« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2008, 03:06:46 AM »

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« Reply #54 on: November 17, 2008, 03:10:13 AM »

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.

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« Reply #55 on: November 17, 2008, 03:17:02 AM »

billb!
Now if only I was smart enough to figure it all out....I only cut and pasted what Kermit provided. I'm so in awe of all the monkeys, past and present (I miss Robots).
I admit I'm concerned that a political event with big dollar implications/greed may prevent Natalee from the justice she (and any human being) justly deserve.  I sincerely hope Beth/Dave/family/Monkeys and everyone else that find this unacceptable, find closure in their hearts...if nothing else, Karma will get those involved in this heinous injustice!
I stand with the girl....
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« Reply #56 on: November 17, 2008, 03:20:44 AM »

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.



You're welcome Sleuth!


Thanks Kermit!  

This is information that we all needed to know.  Thank you for helping us get to it.

P. S. You do know that my "WANTED" sign was made with love I hope! 


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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #57 on: November 17, 2008, 03:24:00 AM »

billb!
Now if only I was smart enough to figure it all out....I only cut and pasted what Kermit provided. I'm so in awe of all the monkeys, past and present (I miss Robots).
I admit I'm concerned that a political event with big dollar implications/greed may prevent Natalee from the justice she (and any human being) justly deserve.  I sincerely hope Beth/Dave/family/Monkeys and everyone else that find this unacceptable, find closure in their hearts...if nothing else, Karma will get those involved in this heinous injustice!
I stand with the girl....

I miss Robots too billb...and so many others that aren't here anymore.  But together we'll get where we're going I hope some day soon! 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2008, 03:27:38 AM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2008, 03:28:10 AM »

Thank you billb and texasmom - I was doing the same thing.

Kermit - thank you for hopping back in here with the links.  I see you are catching all the flys.


Sleuth, Thank you...I only post infrequently, (I lurk every day since the beginning) but I know you have been here leading the charge like so many others...I only hope I can keep up with all the good work you and the other monkeys do....
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