Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru 11/19/08

[MumInOhio]

Does anyone know what a CapsLockWizard is?

Mum, I have often wondered.

Stepfather spent many years in the newspaper trade...I remember it well...LOL

You know that never dawned on me.  DUH!  Make sense because of
Diario.
The other night when Lala asked who we thought Shango was and I
said Django Simoons.  You could tell Caps thought about it for a minute.
Then he said...no, Django don't have the poetry in him.

Didn't he also refer to something to do with Santeria?

Good Morning Monkeys....Great work in the cage last night...still rereading!

Was going to say I hope some-one is keeping notes, but I am sure Kermie is...

Great to see so many back here and contributing!

 

[MumInOhio]

Didn't Jossy finance and conduct his own search just before the Persistence arrived?  Maybe October or November of last year?

Hi Anna...Nice to see you...I posted this yesterday...Wonder how long it would take to map those movements.

Didn't we hear before Persistence left that they had reliable information?

Re: Ocean Search - Aruba - December 2007
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2007, 11:49:43 AM » klaas
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Jossy was going to search in September:

http://mike-connectingthedots.blogspot.com/2007/09/if-they-wont-do-it-then-we-will.html

Sunday, September 30, 2007
“If They Won’t Do It, Then We Will!”
DIARIO has made the decision to perform a water search for Natalee Holloway at their expense. At this time necessary equipment is still being gathered, but the search should commence within the next several days. I’ve been promised a day by day report detailing each event surrounding this latest endeavor.

Way to go Jossy! It has become abundantly clear no one else is willing to make this effort. We applaud your persistence!

Update: We have a pretty good recent lead to go on. Our searches start by mid week, around Wednesday or Thursday. There is a lot of preparatory work to be done before we send the boat out with the necessary divers and equipment. We as Arubans do not need any kind of permit for the activity we are to embark on. That makes it easier.

I will let you know as soon as we are ready to embark on the first search to a spot we have mapped on the ocean.

Update II: So far...

... a lot of disappointments. It seems that the reading taken over a year ago of a specific target are no longer valid. It was explained to me that the pinpointed target has moved due to underwater currents, sand shifts, recent and past bad oceanic conditions created by the passing hurricanes to the north of the island, close to where the target was located, etc.) and has not been relocated yet in its new (and disintegrated) presence. However, I have asked them to try to pinpoint at least a part (the largest possible) of the target and to go for it, but they said it would take time and it makes the search more indefinite as far as location is concerned. The search, therefore, will take time before it can proceed. I will keep you posted on everything, good and bad, related to the search, and when it can be finally done with whatever percentages of success may exist.
This seems to have been the characteristics of this case: one disappointment after another! How can so many factors combine to make a simple case so difficult to solve? Beats me!

[bastibro]

Could you picture a monkey convention...
Monkeys in an auditorium, note pads in hand, projection screens, power point presentations, chart boards, etc...
The case would be solved in minutes...
Could probably figure out underwear colors of the suspects...

Paulus' would be easy...Soiled - brown/white w/sweat stains and an open fly...
Anita's would be easy as well...See-through

 

Oh Klaas - that is so great.   

LOL - that`s here alright  LOL

[Pita]

Is Eduardo Mansur Jossy's son?  If so he is the co-founder of the dive team Aruba Search and Rescue.

An Aruba group is seeking divers to continue the search for Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager who went missing nearly three months ago on the Dutch Caribbean island.

The group wants to lead the divers in exploring waters off Aruba’s east coast, where Holloway was staying with 124 Mountain Brook High School classmates, said Eduardo Mansur, co-founder of the Aruba Search and Rescue Foundation, which has been helping search for the teenager since she vanished May 30.

Although the waters have been searched before, the group wants to try again with the help of a machine invented by an American who claims it can detect human bones and teeth under water, Mansur said. The inventor, Joe Walker, came to Aruba to help in the search, Mansur said.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/08/24/aruba-group-seeking-divers-to-search-for-missing-us-teen/

Jossy says his son is co-founder of the Foundation, but his son is not listed as a board member.

STICHTING SEARCH AND RESCUE ARUBA 
 
Business address KONINGSTRAAT 28, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  FOUNDATION 
Name of the STICHTING SEARCH AND RESCUE ARUBA 
company/foundation/association:
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation/commencement: 6 JANUARY 1994 
     
   
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS 
 
KOCK, PIERRE DANIEL MAX; 
Residing in  ROOI AFO 30-H, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 26 SEPTEMBER 1965 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  6 AUGUST 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, RUBEN EVERALDO; 
Residing in  SEROE PITA 33, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 21 AUGUST 1958 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, EDGAR ALEXANDER; 
Residing in  KONINGSTRAAT 28, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 13 AUGUST 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  TREASURER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CROES, ADOLPH SIEGFRIED; 
Residing in  SANTA CRUZ 30-A, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 18 JANUARY 1970 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SECRETARY 
Effective  6 AUGUST 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
LACLE, ILKA ANJOUSHKA; 
Residing in  SABANA BASORA 155-B, SAVANETA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 6 OCTOBER 1966 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  BOARD-MEMBER 
Effective  7 NOVEMBER 2002 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   

[Pita]

VMS - the guy in the rear of the eduardo photograph actually looks like it could be Tim Miller.  Who is the guy on the right?

Tim Trahan

[MumInOhio]

Quote from: Anna on February 12, 2008, 02:49:07 PM
And which one of the Max's is the nephew of Jossy?
I have forgotten.


This is an email from Charles Croes. Ain't it interesting that he states he signed a non-disclosure agreement.
From: Fastphones Aruba
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Date: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:36:55 PM [View Source]
I have signed a NDA agreement with two different police departments to not discuss this further.

COULD CHARLES CROES BE MORE INVOLVED WITH HIGHER-UPS? REMEMBER IN DAVE'S BOOK HE TALKED ABOUT GOING INTO DENNIS JACOBS OFFICE AND CHARLES CROES - THE CELL PHONE GUY WAS THERE

Eric Mansure’s sister-in-law is Jan van der Straaten’s secretary. (p.153 Holloway).

Max Arends...the one that was "not involved" according to the dark siders...Rumored to be Joran's house guest that night.

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis/Zedan...aka Arends

Charles Croes...So now Charles has signed 2 NDA agreements, 2 separate Police departments...AND done voice analysis with 4 separate ones...LOL

BUCKSHOT...Charles Croes thread here...I have more...LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.440

[Pita]

VMS - is the guy in front of John Silvettie (red shirt) Clyde Burke?  Moss is sitting down with the glasses on.  Do you recognize anyone else in the photograph?

I think that's Dolfi. I can't identify anyone else except Mos.

I thought the same, and wondered about the name tag on his shirt....

Tag:
RV Persistence
Visitor
?? > Maybe #3 

IMO, that's a match!

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Pita......Can you put your hands on the article you have posted a couple of times about Eric Williams? I think it was Florida, Diaz, mid 1990s.

I have the court filings and also an article when he was a DEA spokesperson in 2001.

Thanks in Advance.

[MumInOhio]

Well, I guess this answers Kermit's questions.  Caps' cousins cleaned the cage.

Wait. How did we determine they were his cousins?

  

Kermie said Caps has an Uncle!

[Nut44x4]

Actually, it appears they STILL own it:

http://www.valero.com/AboutUs/Refineries/Aruba.htm

Yeah, we have a bunch of Valero stations here and none have changed their name yet.

[Nut44x4]

Does anyone know what a CapsLockWizard is?

I don't know why but that cracked me up, lol.
Do you know what a vms is? 

LMAO~~ this is funny...... MUM ... I checked that out a longgggg time ago!! 

[MumInOhio]

Does anyone know what a CapsLockWizard is?

I don't know why but that cracked me up, lol.
Do you know what a vms is? 

LMAO~~ this is funny...... MUM ... I checked that out a longgggg time ago!! 

Seems we think alike...LOL...Uncle Jossy

[Nut44x4]

Well, it's been what 2 years since the Persistance went to Aruba, if they were going to do offshore drilling, wouldn't they have started it by now, the time is right.

Persistence was in Aruba December 2007 through February 2008

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Indeed... and some were going back to study all the 'targets' as soon as they got donations. Monkeys scrambled and ran in circles trying to help figure out a way. I wonder if any money was sent in and where is it now? Will anyone study the targets? Who? What? When? Where? ... and How? 

[Ree]

I came in late and read Mr. Frogs post after the fact.

Mum, SS or Lala will remember this.
Caps made a post that said something like....Me..J..W...& C.
Not sure about the "W".

I think that Mr. Frog is trying to tell us that Caps is Silvetti's nephew.

Me, J...W...&C
Lala's answered this one....Caps was referring to John or Jossy, the Witness and Cops. 

I found a post in Shango where CAPS says he has an uncle who is a lawyer :

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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2008, 11:12:09 AM »
Yes the government has his own set of lawyers and only work for the Government.

The Lawyers also represents a group that work hand in hand with the OM.


I was wondering which lawyer was on the Roll that night to handel the cases.

On the Roll means (schedule) How I know this is that my uncle is a Lawyer and He always talk abaout to have Roll duty.

It means that he is on the evening list to handel cases comming in that night. it can also be a sub prosecuter.


When Kermit says "Caps has an Uncle" could this be what he is talking about?

 

I'm way behind reading, but didn't Shango or Simian make a comment about ask the men who play the dice and "roll"?

[sharon]

Morning monks!

Very nice to catch up and read the discussion.

A year ago, discussions about the real motives and intentions of the 'philanthropists' were not popular topics. Glad we're all caught up.

There is an aspect I've always been curious about and would love to hear opinions.

HOW did the deal get put together. Who contacted who??

I remember reading that Tim and/or Dave were contacted?? I can't find anything I've never been good at organizing this stuff.

John Silvetti and his sister posted at BFN? How did that come about?

I have suspicions. But that's all I have.

(a freezing 57 this morning in Miami. brrrrrrrr.)

[MumInOhio]

Actually, it appears they STILL own it:

http://www.valero.com/AboutUs/Refineries/Aruba.htm

Yeah, we have a bunch of Valero stations here and none have changed their name yet.

Not sure it means anything, but our Valeros were Citgos...Venezuelan IIRC.

[MumInOhio]

Well, it's been what 2 years since the Persistance went to Aruba, if they were going to do offshore drilling, wouldn't they have started it by now, the time is right.

Persistence was in Aruba December 2007 through February 2008

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Indeed... and some were going back to study all the 'targets' as soon as they got donations. Monkeys scrambled and ran in circles trying to help figure out a way. I wonder if any money was sent in and where is it now? Will anyone study the targets? Who? What? When? Where? ... and How? 

Nut...I believe TM posted the other night that her check was not cashed...TM?  TIA

[MumInOhio]

Morning monks!

Very nice to catch up and read the discussion.

A year ago, discussions about the real motives and intentions of the 'philanthropists' were not popular topics. Glad we're all caught up.

There is an aspect I've always been curious about and would love to hear opinions.

HOW did the deal get put together. Who contacted who??

I remember reading that Tim and/or Dave were contacted?? I can't find anything I've never been good at organizing this stuff.

John Silvetti and his sister posted at BFN? How did that come about?

I have suspicions. But that's all I have.

(a freezing 57 this morning in Miami. brrrrrrrr.)

Morning!  Good questions Sharon...

Lake effect snow and below freezing here...Should take some pics...It looks like Christmas Card out there...

[MumInOhio]

Ran across this yesterday and have to post as it raises many more questions for me…And we are talking about the Mansurs…and a nephew, and an uncle…LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.msg456046#msg456046

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through
« Reply #282 on: September 16, 2008, 06:45:02 PM » Caps

4:05 pickup at MCDee and from there they drove to home....his cloths where all wet and dirty and was missing a shoe.

Now before that is beeing worked on right now....where was he.gone from C&C...there is only 3 places that he could have gone with natalee...

and from those 3 places, 2 can be used to make a movie and 1 is 100% sure.

and looking at the time from 1:45 - till 4:05 ----to make movie, to rape, to party, to cleanup and move, dispose off
max 2 hrs.


Caps is not taking the Carlos Ramos witness accounts at the Racquet Club into consideration at all.

IIRC there was a discussion recently about the gardener, the Mansurs meeting at Hooters and a Mansur nephew piping in to say that his Uncle was the gardener’s boss.

Will have to check Shango, but I thought this witness took 2 polygraph tests.

Were all the Racquet Club references a distraction? Are we to believe the statements of Carlos Ramos?

Was this nephew Luis Mansur? Where is Luis? When was he in school in the US?

Thanks in Advance…Any help would be appreciated…

[Nut44x4]

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