Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru 11/19/08

[Altruist]

IMO, that's a match!
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Most DEFINTELY!!!!!!!!!       You delivered the confirmation on Vistor #3.  Thank you all.
AWESOME.

[Magnolia]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

[MumInOhio]

Morning Caps... Bet you have a lot to say.

Can you please help with your timeline and the gardener witness.

And Freddy...

[vms]

VMS - is the guy in front of John Silvettie (red shirt) Clyde Burke?  Moss is sitting down with the glasses on.  Do you recognize anyone else in the photograph?

Think the guy with the mustache is Papito Comenencia.

Ah, I think you may be right. Does the guy with his face very close to the frame look familiar to you? He does to me but I can't place who he is...

[vms]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

I would love to hear.

[BUCKSHOT]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

Definitely...Bring it on...

[vms]

Well, I guess this answers Kermit's questions.  Caps' cousins cleaned the cage.

Wait. How did we determine they were his cousins?

  

Kermie said Caps has an Uncle!

Most people do. 

[MumInOhio]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

I would love to hear.

Me too...I want to hear what Everyone thinks!

[vms]

Ran across this yesterday and have to post as it raises many more questions for me…And we are talking about the Mansurs…and a nephew, and an uncle…LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.msg456046#msg456046

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through
« Reply #282 on: September 16, 2008, 06:45:02 PM » Caps

4:05 pickup at MCDee and from there they drove to home....his cloths where all wet and dirty and was missing a shoe.

Now before that is beeing worked on right now....where was he.gone from C&C...there is only 3 places that he could have gone with natalee...

and from those 3 places, 2 can be used to make a movie and 1 is 100% sure.

and looking at the time from 1:45 - till 4:05 ----to make movie, to rape, to party, to cleanup and move, dispose off
max 2 hrs.


Caps is not taking the Carlos Ramos witness accounts at the Racquet Club into consideration at all.

IIRC there was a discussion recently about the gardener, the Mansurs meeting at Hooters and a Mansur nephew piping in to say that his Uncle was the gardener’s boss.

Will have to check Shango, but I thought this witness took 2 polygraph tests.

Were all the Racquet Club references a distraction? Are we to believe the statements of Carlos Ramos?

Was this nephew Luis Mansur? Where is Luis? When was he in school in the US?

Thanks in Advance…Any help would be appreciated…

Didn't go back and check but wasn't it Eduardo who was involved with bringing that witness forward?

[BUCKSHOT]

Caps -11/15/08

Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......

[MumInOhio]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

Definitely...Bring it on...

BUCKSHOT...Left you the link to the Charles Croes thread on the last page..thanks for posting that email...I put it in the thread...

[MumInOhio]

Ran across this yesterday and have to post as it raises many more questions for me…And we are talking about the Mansurs…and a nephew, and an uncle…LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3363.msg456046#msg456046

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through
« Reply #282 on: September 16, 2008, 06:45:02 PM » Caps

4:05 pickup at MCDee and from there they drove to home....his cloths where all wet and dirty and was missing a shoe.

Now before that is beeing worked on right now....where was he.gone from C&C...there is only 3 places that he could have gone with natalee...

and from those 3 places, 2 can be used to make a movie and 1 is 100% sure.

and looking at the time from 1:45 - till 4:05 ----to make movie, to rape, to party, to cleanup and move, dispose off
max 2 hrs.


Caps is not taking the Carlos Ramos witness accounts at the Racquet Club into consideration at all.

IIRC there was a discussion recently about the gardener, the Mansurs meeting at Hooters and a Mansur nephew piping in to say that his Uncle was the gardener’s boss.

Will have to check Shango, but I thought this witness took 2 polygraph tests.

Were all the Racquet Club references a distraction? Are we to believe the statements of Carlos Ramos?

Was this nephew Luis Mansur? Where is Luis? When was he in school in the US?

Thanks in Advance…Any help would be appreciated…

Didn't go back and check but wasn't it Eduardo who was involved with bringing that witness forward?

Not sure vms...I thought there was a pic of Luis posted with those recent discussions. Think I may have saved them, if not I will go back and find them.

[Magnolia]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

I would love to hear.

Jossy was trying to kill two birds with one stone.  Getting his GEO survey
and looking for Natalee at the same time, never believing that Nat would
be found.  Well, they found her, but wanted to keep it on the QT until
the survey was completed.  They knew that Tim would never go along
with keeping the information quiet, so they sent Tim and Dave off to
talk to Marcos.
Then Robin threw the monkey wrench into the whole thing by posting
the pictures.
They brought the remains up to the surface...but what to do with them?
The side scan sonor search of the Monserat Pond was to put what was
in the trap into the Monserat Pond for safe keeping to be retrieved later.

[BUCKSHOT]

Caps-9/20/08
"Some Friend" was with Lorenzo the whole night.
That leave this question open "who said that thy were with lorenzo"
Find him and you got the "Guy"
The "Boy" we know already
My bet "Max Arendz

[BUCKSHOT]

Caps-9/19/08
No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost
Still looking for the other 3

Here are some initials…

[Buckeye]

Remember March 2008?  Did Greta say she started her latest investigation in Spring? 


Local attorney George Bochetto sent a letter to Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren and other cable-news programs on behalf of the Aruba Hotel and Tourist Association, threatening to bring legal action against them because of what the letter called "recent attacks and slanderous statements being made about the tourism industry in Aruba and the Natalee Holloway investigation."

Van Susteren mocked the letter on her program Friday night, begging Bochetto to sue her. "Bring it on," she said, adding: "I will waive all requirements, because I want to get all of these people under oath and depositions."

Other panelists on the show, including attorneys Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams, also ridiculed Bochetto's letter.

Local guy John Pauly, a former TV producer/reporter, is the media adviser to the Aruba chief prosecutor's office. He says Van Susteren "completely distorted the letter to make herself look macho," and once again distorted the story, which is "the very thing the letter was trying to remedy."

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillygossip/Greta_Van_Susteren_mocks_Aruba_legal_threat_from_Bochetto.html


Wonder what she found??


vms

The mean looking guy is very familiar....need to keep thinking...

[MumInOhio]

Caps-9/19/08
No, Shango is an S.H.A.Nederlanse.Groote.Oost
Still looking for the other 3

Here are some initials…

I think the initials are CLW...don't ask me to explain...just the wording of Kermit's posts...and I can't work out what they would stand for...LOL

[wreck]

I sat straight up in bed this morning at 4:00 and the whole thing
made sense to me.....at least the last year.
I am slower than most of you and things have to sink in.
I don't know if I should tell what I think or not.
Tell Me.

I would love to hear.

Jossy was trying to kill two birds with one stone.  Getting his GEO survey
and looking for Natalee at the same time, never believing that Nat would
be found.  Well, they found her, but wanted to keep it on the QT until
the survey was completed.  They knew that Tim would never go along
with keeping the information quiet, so they sent Tim and Dave off to
talk to Marcos.
Then Robin threw the monkey wrench into the whole thing by posting
the pictures.
They brought the remains up to the surface...but what to do with them?
The side scan sonor search of the Monserat Pond was to put what was
in the trap into the Monserat Pond for safe keeping to be retrieved later.

Don't forget about the tennis shoe found by the Lighthouse around the same time as well. (found by Jossy as well??)

[MumInOhio]

Remember March 2008?  Did Greta say she started her latest investigation in Spring? 


Local attorney George Bochetto sent a letter to Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren and other cable-news programs on behalf of the Aruba Hotel and Tourist Association, threatening to bring legal action against them because of what the letter called "recent attacks and slanderous statements being made about the tourism industry in Aruba and the Natalee Holloway investigation."

Van Susteren mocked the letter on her program Friday night, begging Bochetto to sue her. "Bring it on," she said, adding: "I will waive all requirements, because I want to get all of these people under oath and depositions."

Other panelists on the show, including attorneys Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams, also ridiculed Bochetto's letter.

Local guy John Pauly, a former TV producer/reporter, is the media adviser to the Aruba chief prosecutor's office. He says Van Susteren "completely distorted the letter to make herself look macho," and once again distorted the story, which is "the very thing the letter was trying to remedy."

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillygossip/Greta_Van_Susteren_mocks_Aruba_legal_threat_from_Bochetto.html


Wonder what she found??


vms

The mean looking guy is very familiar....need to keep thinking...

Thanks Buckeye...Had forgotten all about this...

[vms]

1st pic: To the right of Mariaine is Jossy E., then Luis. Others with Mariaine are Valero people, I think.
http://www.diario-aruba.com/200810294757/Local/DIARIO-a-haya-bisbita-di-Bill-Day-di-Valero.html

2nd pic: Jossy E. (Jossito)

Luis: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=328633653