Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru 11/19/08

[CapsLockWizard]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

Note: Drug is comming in into Aruba from Colombia and exported back to Holland but to risque for the USA, Unless higher-up involvement. FBI/DEA <---> MIU (dutch Militairy Intervention Unit)
XTC is comming back from Europe to Aruba, bonaire..and then exported back to other parts like USA and south America.

The Domino case is where the M is involved. and the case has not come out yet but in porforma mode. (close door)

The new case is the Airline Food Catering Case that just came into light 4 days ago. still under investigation.

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks VMS and everyone.  Goodnight 2NJ.  I'm off to bed, too.

Kermit - have we cleared Red and Klaas yet? 

We still need to figure out where the money goes beyond Silvetti.  Haliburton?


Kermit - did the Aruban divers clean the cage themselves on the 7th or did the Persistence divers clean the cage and give the contents to ALE?

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

[MumInOhio]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

Note: Drug is comming in into Aruba from Colombia and exported back to Holland but to risque for the USA, Unless higher-up involvement. FBI/DEA <---> MIU (dutch Militairy Intervention Unit)
XTC is comming back from Europe to Aruba, bonaire..and then exported back to other parts like USA and south America.

Is there higher up involvement? TIA

[Lala'sMom]

 

I am leaving now...can't take this confusion any longer. See you guys later.

[Edward]

Anything is possible..
BUT you have no witnesses at all to the kalpoe car, except the bogus Gardner supplied by Eric M..
An apartment complex should have had some witness..

I suggest the car went to the lighthouse and parked..

All involved walked across the golf course.. Un-noticed or witnessed
 To a destination that included the presence of a Colombian Drug wizard.

[MumInOhio]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

Note: Drug is comming in into Aruba from Colombia and exported back to Holland but to risque for the USA, Unless higher-up involvement. FBI/DEA <---> MIU (dutch Militairy Intervention Unit)
XTC is comming back from Europe to Aruba, bonaire..and then exported back to other parts like USA and south America.

The Domino case is where the M is involved. and the case has not come out yet but in porforma mode. (close door)

The new case is the Airline Food Catering Case that just came into light 4 days ago. still under investigation.

I searched that Domino case a while back...It was mentioned in one of the Aruban papers...I couldn't find anything!

Like to give me an initial or two of the players to jog my memory please?

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps...I posted a post of yours a few pages back regarding your time line for that night. You said something like 1.45 to 4AM in that timeline, roughly 2 hours.

Apparently Carlos Ramos signed Statements that he saw at least Deepak and Joran at the Racquet Club before AM...My estimate is 2.45 as he said he got out of bed at 2.30 AM and was at work at 3AM.

Is this sighting a distraction...I haven't gone back to check, but I thought we established in Shango that he had passed at least one polygraph test.

Your thoughts would be appreciated. TIA

The sighting is correct but Joran was not there with them.

He was still at Matt, when he finish he took a bath in the pond and ran toward McD. around 4:00

[MumInOhio]

Thanks VMS and everyone.  Goodnight 2NJ.  I'm off to bed, too.

Kermit - have we cleared Red and Klaas yet? 

We still need to figure out where the money goes beyond Silvetti.  Haliburton?


Kermit - did the Aruban divers clean the cage themselves on the 7th or did the Persistence divers clean the cage and give the contents to ALE?

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

Janet, you aren't even a bad dream, let alone a nightmare.  We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.  The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366857#msg366857

 

Welcome Back, Janet!

[Poochy]

BUCKSHOT... I am searching acronyms for MIU, again...sigh...and nothing other than "men in uniform" which was mentioned the other night.

MIU from Holland...that was in a post.

http://www.toplayer.com/content/cm/pr124.jsp
The Mobile Intercept Unit (MIU) is capable of being transported anywhere in the world as a fly-in echelon for military and law enforcement missions that require computer-to-computer intelligence to be captured, analyzed and transformed into actionable intelligence quickly. 


Acronym Definition
MIU Misr International University (Cairo, Egypt)
MIU Maharishi International University (Fairfield, IA)
MIU Million International Units
MIU Meter Interface Unit
MIU Men in Uniform
MIU Minimum Investment Unit
MIU Machine Interface Unit
MIU Main Instrument Unit (automotive)
MIU Mother Infant Unit
MIU Missile Interface Unit
MIU Moisture, Insolubles, and. Unsaponifiables (grease rendering)
MIU Multistation Interface Unit
MIU Mobile Internet User
MIU Message Interface Unit
MIU Metallic Interface Unit (Hekimian)
MIU Medical Information Unit
MIU Media Interoperability Unit
MIU Microwave Interface Unit
MIU Moisture, Insolubles, Unsaponifiables
MIU Macro in Use
MIU Multifunction Interface Unit


MIU Missing (Persons) Intelligence Unit

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I posted a post of yours a few pages back regarding your time line for that night. You said something like 1.45 to 4AM in that timeline, roughly 2 hours.

Apparently Carlos Ramos signed Statements that he saw at least Deepak and Joran at the Racquet Club before AM...My estimate is 2.45 as he said he got out of bed at 2.30 AM and was at work at 3AM.

Is this sighting a distraction...I haven't gone back to check, but I thought we established in Shango that he had passed at least one polygraph test.

Your thoughts would be appreciated. TIA

The sighting is correct but Joran was not there with them.

He was still at Matt, when he finish he took a bath in the pond and ran toward McD. around 4:00

Then who do you think the gardener mis-identified as Joran? There were also 3 seen washing the car IIRC.  TIA

[CapsLockWizard]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

Note: Drug is comming in into Aruba from Colombia and exported back to Holland but to risque for the USA, Unless higher-up involvement. FBI/DEA <---> MIU (dutch Militairy Intervention Unit)
XTC is comming back from Europe to Aruba, bonaire..and then exported back to other parts like USA and south America.

The Domino case is where the M is involved. and the case has not come out yet but in porforma mode. (close door)

The new case is the Airline Food Catering Case that just came into light 4 days ago. still under investigation.

I searched that Domino case a while back...It was mentioned in one of the Aruban papers...I couldn't find anything!

Like to give me an initial or two of the players to jog my memory please?

Google "Caso Domino Aruba"

http://www.diario-aruba.com/200811184970/Local/Segun-acusado-den-caso-Domino-si-nan-lo-a-puntrami-si-mi-a-mata-Kennedy-mes-lo-mi-a-admiti.html

[always 1]

Anything is possible..
BUT you have no witnesses at all to the kalpoe car, except the bogus Gardner supplied by Eric M..
An apartment complex should have had some witness..

I suggest the car went to the lighthouse and parked..

All involved walked across the golf course.. Un-noticed or witnessed
 To a destination that included the presence of a Colombian Drug wizard.

Like maybe the guard shack at the cell tower???  Hole 9, I believe.....

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I posted a post of yours a few pages back regarding your time line for that night. You said something like 1.45 to 4AM in that timeline, roughly 2 hours.

Apparently Carlos Ramos signed Statements that he saw at least Deepak and Joran at the Racquet Club before AM...My estimate is 2.45 as he said he got out of bed at 2.30 AM and was at work at 3AM.

Is this sighting a distraction...I haven't gone back to check, but I thought we established in Shango that he had passed at least one polygraph test.

Your thoughts would be appreciated. TIA

The sighting is correct but Joran was not there with them.

He was still at Matt, when he finish he took a bath in the pond and ran toward McD. around 4:00

Caps...that just doesn't make sense to me...LOL

In one hour they are already at the Raquet Club...from 1.45 to 2.45., but Joran takes all that time to wash off and call his Dad..Somewhere from 2.30 until 4AM...

[Helen Back]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.340

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #341 on: November 15, 2008, 07:03:44 PM »

no

c
for the first name of the cop

then
the other is the monkey
and the monkey's uncle.

I have to hop now.


I believe Kermit verified this as a Bingo with Clyde Burke...

I think the same post verified Armin and Rufo...Helen are you here?  Help!!!

I'm here.....been reading to catch up. 

I took the above to mean the same.  However, until we know the initials CAPS gave you in Shango, that inadvertently reveal the identity of the ones who tried to lead us off track, speculating about who's uncle is who is kind of a circle.  I could be wrong, but I think the initials are needed.

Why don't we ask CAPS....Hey CAPS do you know what initials you gave to MUM in Shango?

CAPS has told us the cage is a post office for drugs.  We know Aruba is a transit point and our DEA was on the island and "listening in" when Natalee disappeared. 

I have always believed Natalee was targeted by Paulus and Joran, and that her case got caught in something much bigger.

I find it very interesting that Mos all of a sudden feels that the hidden camera confession of Joran is all of a sudden admissible in court.  Weren't we told a the time, by Mos, that nothing could be done because clandestine recordings are illegal and not admissable as evidence?

CAPS is saying there are tow stories happenng here.  One is the drugging of girls, porn, rape, video.  We know that is all about Joran and the Kalpoes.  His explanation of their friendship makes sense to me.

The other story is about drugs.  This must be Paulus' part of the story.  We know he was denied compensation based on "wire taps".

[MumInOhio]

Caps...thanks for the info on theDomino case...will check it out.

[MumInOhio]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.340

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #341 on: November 15, 2008, 07:03:44 PM »

no

c
for the first name of the cop

then
the other is the monkey
and the monkey's uncle.

I have to hop now.


I believe Kermit verified this as a Bingo with Clyde Burke...

I think the same post verified Armin and Rufo...Helen are you here?  Help!!!

I'm here.....been reading to catch up. 

I took the above to mean the same.  However, until we know the initials CAPS gave you in Shango, that inadvertently reveal the identity of the ones who tried to lead us off track, speculating about who's uncle is who is kind of a circle.  I could be wrong, but I think the initials are needed.

Why don't we ask CAPS....Hey CAPS do you know what initials you gave to MUM in Shango?

CAPS has told us the cage is a post office for drugs.  We know Aruba is a transit point and our DEA was on the island and "listening in" when Natalee disappeared. 

I have always believed Natalee was targeted by Paulus and Joran, and that her case got caught in something much bigger.

I find it very interesting that Mos all of a sudden feels that the hidden camera confession of Joran is all of a sudden admissible in court.  Weren't we told a the time, by Mos, that nothing could be done because clandestine recordings are illegal and not admissable as evidence?

CAPS is saying there are tow stories happenng here.  One is the drugging of girls, porn, rape, video.  We know that is all about Joran and the Kalpoes.  His explanation of their friendship makes sense to me.

The other story is about drugs.  This must be Paulus' part of the story.  We know he was denied compensation based on "wire taps".

Thanks Helen...I did some checking on DEA/Customs/ Agreement between the US and Aruba. Anything that is picked up on wire taps can ONLY be used in drug investigations...It is written in the FOP agreement of 1999, IIRC.

[Helen Back]

We knew there was to be a new criminal code instituted in Aruba, allowing the use of special investigative activities, like wire taps and recordings.  There was some "delay" in implementing that.  Maybe they have finally implemented this new code.

 

[Dihannah1]

I came here to see the latest and post Greta's blog on her following up on this case and I AM TOTALLY LOST!  Guess, I've been away to long.  I thought I was in the Shango thread here, you all are talking in code 

So with that said,  I apologize if I HAVE missed too much and my question has been discussed, but why are these "witnesses" just now coming out or being taken seriously?   Is it they feel safe to speak out now?   

I am soooo confused     And I know I'm not going to get an answer, but now I'm curious as to who CAPS and Kermit are..... (appreciate everything they do)   any monkeys with my email, PLEASE feel free to email me and catch me up with a quick, short summary?  Klaas has my permission to give it out to anybody she trusts!   

[Edward]

Anything is possible..
BUT you have no witnesses at all to the kalpoe car, except the bogus Gardner supplied by Eric M..
An apartment complex should have had some witness..

I suggest the car went to the lighthouse and parked..

All involved walked across the golf course.. Un-noticed or witnessed
 To a destination that included the presence of a Colombian Drug wizard.

Like maybe the guard shack at the cell tower???  Hole 9, I believe.....

No .. Not even close.. Amusing though..

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Caps on the Domino case...Just what I thought I recalled.