Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru 11/19/08

[MumInOhio]

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #341 on: November 15, 2008, 07:03:44 PM »

no

c
for the first name of the cop

then
the other is the monkey
and the monkey's uncle.

I have to hop now.


I believe Kermit verified this as a Bingo with Clyde Burke...

I think the same post verified Armin and Rufo...Helen are you here?  Help!!!

[BUCKSHOT]

Kermit(5/17/07)
No - the cover-up started the night of Natalee's disappearance.
That is why Charles Croes was called.Think about it. He was gone for some 1 1/2 hours after he met with Beth.The beach is a 5 minute drive from that gas station.

Kermit(6/4/07)
#   ShocktheMonkey  Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 11:18 pm
I am on the island and am involved in the matter (which I can not disclose how I am involved). I am blogging to keep you informed as this case has captured the world.
#   SHOCKtheMONKEY  Says:
June 23rd, 2005 at 11:18 am
these boards are being watched. wording of comments are monitored and being obscure is the only way to communicate right now.

Kermit(8/11/07)
Charles Croes met Beth at the gas station around midnight and then he was suppose to meet up with her at the HI but he took a detour and was gone for 1 1/2 hours. Where do ya think he went besides to the beach which is less than 5 minute drive? Heh Heh! Straight zip to vds home.

Kermit(8/28/07)
Some evidence was not presented to the court. And Judge Smid.

Kermit(9/22/07)
True, but the statements claim he was at the Wyndham.  Glenda just yesterday said Joran wasn't that he was at the Radisson.  Why the need for ALL of them to lie about the Wyndham. one reason: Bulbai Sanctuary

Kermit(9/30/07)
Let me give you my MOM'S FAMOUS FLY-SHOE PIE recipe.
1 heaping tablespoon of Algae
A pinch of Fungus
4 cups of Pond Water
3/4 cups of Sunflower Seeds
A dollop of Honey
1 Shoe
3 cups of fresh Flies
DIRECTIONS:
Gate the Algae and pinch the Fungus. If the Algae is grating on you, pinch it too.
Carefully separate the Pond Water from the pond scum. Save the pond scum for later. It makes a delicious dessert topping.While nibbling on the Sunflower Sees - which have nothing to do with this recipe but sure are mighty tasty yesiree -- use your dolloper to dollop Honey all over the Shoe. (A lofer is perfect for casual meals, but a high heel or wingtip works best for formal dinners. If you're planning to eat and run, use a sneaker).
Sprinkle 3 cups of fresh Flies over the now sticky Shoe and enjoy!

Kermit(10/6/07)
FIND THE BARTENDER...CLIVE

Kermit(10/31/07)
Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.

Kermit(10/23/07)
Steve Croes uncle may be a clue

Kermit(11/21/07)
TJ Ward has information that he turned over 2 months ago that Natalee's body was taken off the island.Paulus van der Sloot had direct or indirect knowledge of removing Natalee from the island.Turn on FOX now

Kermit(11/21/07)
I think Julia Renfro should have her American citizenship revoked.
She is an American traitor.

Kermit(11/25/07)
Joran was on a watch list.Paulus phones were tapped.DEA Agent told Beth, "Wait and I'll go with you to the judges house" (seems the DEA Agent knew about Paulus)The phone call - big mistake!

Kermit(11/27/07)
* Jan van der Straaten retired in Aruba.* Dutch sent in new judges to Aruba.* Ronny Bernadina retired.* Dompig was gagged and then quit to start his own security company in Aruba.* Karin Janssen was removed.* Mos was replaced as Chief Prosecutor in Aruba.
* New investigators arrive in Aruba and hole up in another place to prevent leaks. * Joran's book was released.* Larry Garrison says there is a Deep Throat.* Dutch have a search warrant served on van der Sloots and Kalpoe homes.* Dutch investigators computer stolen.* Sander was in USA and returns to Aruba.* Kalpoe attorney's refuse to comply with California Judges order to turn over documents.* Chief Prosecutor has Joran and Kalpoe brothers re-arrested.* Dutch Judge sees enough evidence to hold Joran and transport him to Aruba.* Aruba Judge sees enough evidence to hold Kalpoes.* Aruba Judge sees enough evidence to hold Joran.* Suspects attorney's start PR stating there is no new evidence.* Chief Prosecutor MOS gives an interview with Greta. (He won't and doesn't have to divulge the new evidence and states specifically there is new evidence.)
* Big boat with special equipment headed to get Natalee's body - they have information of where to look now.

[MumInOhio]

Reply #793 on: Today at 11:30:04 AM »
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.780
Helen Beck is correct

and SS
hit the jackpot
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.940


Now think it through.
Who was suppose to show up and help?
Who got Tim off the boat and when or why?


Reply #882 on: Today at 04:56:40 PM »
yes,johan555 we know.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.880


Reply #720 on: Today at 09:41:10 AM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.720
SS - follow the money

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #700 on: Today at 08:04:45 AM »
BINGO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.700

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #548 on: November 15, 2008, 08:55:58 PM
How much is a pawn worth? I muse tonight.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 08:57:38 PM
Bingo Mum. Leaks like a sieve for a price or purpose?
i/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.540


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #524 on: November 15, 2008, 08:26:35 PM »
Which dive - would you know?
//scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.520

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #528 on: November 15, 2008, 08:31:23 PM
affirmative.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #442 on: November 15, 2008, 07:21:16 PM »
Not asking for any identifying details -- but what is Kermit's "profession"?? (I have a pretty good idea)
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440
ribbit

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #449 on: November 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM »
Helen Beck - BINGO!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.440


 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #419 on: November 15, 2008, 06:55:38 PM »
If I remember correctly, FBI sent them to Dave.
/scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.400


    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #389 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:52 PM »
I love that song for 'The Apprentice' - the melody, the words are so
shall I say the evil that drives some men.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.380


   

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #551 on: November 15, 2008, 09:57:38 PM »   
________________________________________
Quote from: MumInOhio on November 15, 2008, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on November 15, 2008, 09:47:44 PM
Who was Simian's uncle that was a polis officer?
Rudolph Solinger?


Rufo...Simian was Monkey!!!!


C has to be Clyde, but what of the other two?

I'm trying to look, but...............


I am taking the Bingo as being all 3....Which is how Helen took it.

I took Caps initials as it made sense to me...and it was only one of two I could come up with that started with "C" and Kermit said something about the initials Caps posted.

Does it make any sense...Heck No!!!!!!!!!

[vms]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

[Kiwi]

Mum morning, is there anything new here? If anything comes to light let me know in the Dawg House. Thanks!

[MumInOhio]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

Vms...Not exactly sure what you mean..Well I think I do....Is this right?

Hints are given out that are too "dangerous" for some to post, then we can post the names for pages on end.

[Lala'sMom]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

What names? Maybe I can help.

[MumInOhio]

Mum morning, is there anything new here? If anything comes to light let me know in the Dawg House. Thanks!

 

Hoping I am not there on Saturday!

[SS]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Caps – Urine benefited from his connection to the Alpoes.  Deepak was a chauffer because Urine didn’t have a car.  Urine’s connection to Freddy and the Alpoes afforded him access to the Matty Apt. activities, drug deals, and the porn video business.

The concurrent activity that night was a drug transfer.

I really don’t care who you are related to, I just personally would have appreciated a heads up.   I do not feel that you have misled us with information, nor do I feel that you have fabricated information.  I am disappointed and angry with those involved in the activities of January 7th.  Did Natalee’s cause ultimately benefit from the Persistence Search – yes, it did.  Has Natalee’s cause benefited from the information that you have shared with us – yes, it has.  Has Natalee’s cause benefited from Jossy Mansur’s help and influence – yes, it has.

There are those involved in Natalee’s tragic story who appear to have taken advantage of the situation for personal gain.  Sadly, we must be ever mindful of ulterior motives.

[vms]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

Vms...Not exactly sure what you mean..Well I think I do....Is this right?

Hints are given out that are too "dangerous" for some to post, then we can post the names for pages on end.

Yes. Exactly, Mum.
It is quite ridiculous, IMO. What am I missing that makes sense in this approach?

[MumInOhio]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

Vms...Not exactly sure what you mean..Well I think I do....Is this right?

Hints are given out that are too "dangerous" for some to post, then we can post the names for pages on end.

Yes. Exactly, Mum.
It is quite ridiculous, IMO. What am I missing that makes sense in this approach?

I don't think you are missing anything...

I know on Friday I was chugging merrily along on my own merry way looking at Luke Zimmerman and his Family, Charles Croes, Julia R. and Eric Williams...

I think I need to get back on track...

[mariloo]

 

Whew!!!  There is a lot of information flying around in here.  I am so behind the times on this case.  But, I am not too excited about dumbass's new confession.  It did not do anything the first time and I am not so confident anything will come from this one either.  He is guilty and we all know it.  He will go down and that is guaranteed but it may not be for Natalee though.  I hope I am wrong.  I would like to see him fry but I am afraid he will never be tried for this crime.

[Lala'sMom]

What names?

[BUCKSHOT]

Dayhiker(12/21/07)
Paulus said he went to CMB twice the day after Natalee disappeared. The first time he said the lines were too long so he left and came back.There is a Digicel next to CMB. Paulus is a friend of Charles Croes, calls him by name in his police statement. Was Paulus really visiting his friend Charles Croes that morning to see if he might have certain cell records erased?

Kermit(12/21/07)
or paid him off for getting rid of cell phone records.trip to bank.trip to Croes.

Kermit(12/29/07)
THE JUDGE LET PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT HAVE ILLEGAL ACCESS TO ALL THE FILES.

Kermit(1/30/08)
I don't think he was gone for two hours just telling Paulus the family has arrived.
I think he was at a meeting with Paulus at the house for those couple of hours - fixing phones!Getting rid of evidence.Remember it was his board of director attorney, Lincoln Gomez who immediately came on Fox and gave interviews. Follow the connection of him and you'll see the disgusting pattern that is weaved and they usually end up at banks!
Remember I posted the picture of the CMB bank that Paulus went to make a deposit the next day, you know that is what most good dad's do when they have taken their son in for questioning is get to the bank!The bank is next to Digicel! Follow Charles Croes from the boss watch on Paulus wrist to Lincoln Gomez to Antonio Carlosto the paid shills online
it will all start to add up.

Kermit(1/30/08)
Consider: The reason Charles Croes was called in - to remove phone records
Consider: The reason Dave saw Charles Croes sitting in Dennis Jacobs office.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes posted online as early as June 2, the cryptic message about the case having far reaching affects.
Consider: The reason Charles Croes told Greta he listened to the phone call several times. What do you think he was trying to figure out.
NOW Consider the fact that Charles Croes met with Beth at the gas station at midnight.
He did not go back to the HI with her.He took off on his own and is not seen or heard of until 3:00 AM where he meets Beth and Jug at the polis station in Noord. 12:40 AM until 3:00 AM Charles Croes is WHERE? He says he went to the Cabana Beach area and that is only 5 minutes away.for almost TWO HOURS Charles Croes is missing.Consider: Charles Croes meets with Beth at the gas station, then listens several times to the phone call message and leaves and meets with Paulus van der Sloot. Who just happens to be using Anita's phone when Beth and the polis arrive! There ain't no coink-a-dinks in life.

Kermit(1/31/08)
PAULUS is the one they should all be investigating.Remember his lies about where he was.Remember the pictures I posted about the Asian man at that party with girls brought in'Remember Ramon Lee's rape charges.Remember the Polis Captain who took the American tourists to an after-hours party.Paulus' protection is not only the Judges (Smid, Witt, but keep in mind it's Luis Lannoy who is in charge of those corrupt judges), and Karin Janseen and also Rudy Croes - all protecting and covering up for Paulus or he could bring them all down if he talks.Paulus is guilty as sin.

Kermit(2/4/08)
AMERICAN TRAITORS = Julia Renfro, Angela Mufhozer, Charles Croes

Kermit(2/4/08)
6:30 am - email to Steve Croes from Joran's computer. 6:30 E-mail or Text meassage to Steve Croes by Joran or Deepak 6:30 am Records show call from one of the 3 boys cellphones in Santa Lucia area in Aruba.  (confirmed by Aruba Today) Monday morning to another cell located in the cell site of Santa Lucia. This is north of Santa Cruz and that cellsite covers the middle northern part of the island. (this is also listed in the newsarticles that Julie Renfro reported as confirmed)

[johan555]

on a dutch travel blog today     -- i am not sure if it is fake
----------------------------------------------
they say that he is in Laos Vientiane now .

http://rudyenkim.waarbenjij.nu/Bericht/?Laos/The+one+with+all+the+adventures+in+Laos/&subdomain=rudyenkim&module=site&page=message&id=2749708

The one with all the adventures in Laos

After Vietnam arrived in Laos. Just a short flashback:

When we were in Sapa and came back from a long walk through the mountains forests nice we go to the hotel room. Arrived on the 5th floor there was a snake of about 1.5 meters across the width of the corridor!
Of course quickly walked down and tried to explain that there was a snake (Eva thank you for the booklet point it!).
The girls of the hostel ran tough to top but there, they started to scream and they were both at 1 of Rudys arms! Fortunately, there were soon afterwards made-in 5 men with sticks and wooden planks: WHERE IS THE SNAKE!
Once on top arrived watched Rudy how these men put the hose clamp and then get on and think amen, here a nice evening meal! A separate experience!

After all the adventures in Vietnam to the airport where we proppelor a small plane went towards Laos. Arrived in Vientiane almost all hostels were full. There was a festival under way and that attracted a lot. After some searching finally found something. It fell directly on whether that Laos is a lot calmer than the previous countries we visited. None getoeter, much less traffic, no obtrusive taxis, motorcycles and cars and tuktuk no geroggel on the streets! Also called total rest of them. Kudos!

The first day in Vientiane, we view what the city. Visited temples, market views and delicious cycled around. The second day with a tuktuk direction of the Buddha park. The tuktuk who are here have marketing lists which are "fixed prices" that are at least 2.5 times more than what you actually have to pay. We prepared well, these practices may now be laughing and of course only for a good price with these men it went.
Noons direction Pha That Luang been. A large golden temple where the festival took place. (see pictures) Everything is celebrated with great stalls, markets, fairs, etc.
Kim had to go in before we had a nice laos Kirt rent to the knees neatly cover: a pretty face that even with the local population for the necessary care smiling faces.
Vientiane was a fun city where Joran van der Sloot has fun  in local bars! (will he still wanted? we want tip money )

[sharon]

If this is such dangerous research, can someone please explain to me why its okay for everyone else to post the names and such? 

Sorry, I have no patience after three years. 

 

Maybe some of us are more expendable than others 

So......

How did Dave and Tim end up with Silvetti and Schaeffer?

Who contacted who?

How did Silvetti and Lex end up posting at BFN??

Any ideas??

Who brokered the deal between the philanthropists and Dave/Tim?? What (or who) do Dave and BFN have in common??

Inquiring minds want to know 

[CapsLockWizard]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Caps – Urine benefited from his connection to the Alpoes.  Deepak was a chauffer because Urine didn’t have a car.  Urine’s connection to Freddy and the Alpoes afforded him access to the Matty Apt. activities, drug deals, and the porn video business.

The concurrent activity that night was a drug transfer.

I really don’t care who you are related to, I just personally would have appreciated a heads up.   I do not feel that you have misled us with information, nor do I feel that you have fabricated information.  I am disappointed and angry with those involved in the activities of January 7th.  Did Natalee’s cause ultimately benefit from the Persistence Search – yes, it did.  Has Natalee’s cause benefited from the information that you have shared with us – yes, it has.  Has Natalee’s cause benefited from Jossy Mansur’s help and influence – yes, it has.

There are those involved in Natalee’s tragic story who appear to have taken advantage of the situation for personal gain.  Sadly, we must be ever mindful of ulterior motives.

Wrong Answer...


no car, no money, none of it.

in the social club scene, Joran was the man with the girls. both had money, and both had cars

one thing that the Kalpoe's had that Joran needed all the time was access to the kalpoe's father operated  sleezy bang girls aprtment.

The thing that Joran had for the Kalpoes was to bring them into the circle of girls. The Kalpoes them self do not hang out so much with americans but where well interested in the excitment of hanging out and be in the main stream with the girls.

Joran friendship was "apartment acess" while the kalpoes was "lets see who is he going to get to bed with" and hopefull to be part of the game..

He never use his apartment for the bang-game. He uses friend apartment where they can gat it for free and used it without supervision.

The drug deal was also made by the other 2 shivas that wanted the package but there was no pakage.

now in January 7, 2008 I was not yet on SM. but posted on the front page.

The game with the girls worked flawless till the night of who to blame for what has happend.

The game with the drug worked flawless till the night of who to blame for what has happend

Fortunatly it involved the same parties that was with Natalee, The drug deal gone bad, and a girl Murder.

[SS]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

[CapsLockWizard]

I am catching up with all the post....in this section....


look at my findings carefully, [on the cage "it is Escudero Cage."] Colombia drug trafficer.

I will say again...there was 2 cases mixed in to one. --->. to confuse the issue.


cage (400lbs) to havy for 2 people "AND" to big for just a scull. "AND" area of he cage in the water too deep "AND" need a crane to lift it and to drop it. Do not compute with the available time-line to deal with a post mortum body.

MY research has notting to to with Jossy nor John Selvetty.

My Approch is more diferent and is base on "question and fact findings" and not speculation

a question for SS  " why was there an association ( friend ship) between the 2 Kalpoes and Joran? and who had more to gain in this friend ship?

Let's assume that Urine did go crazy as Caps described and he started to dismember Natalee's body.  If there was a drug transfer going on at the same time, is it possible that Natalee's dismembered head was placed in the large commercial fishing trap during the drug transfer that was taking place?  If the Columbian drug dealer did leave a drug package in that large cage, who was the diver who went down to retrieve the package and leave Natalee's head in the same cage?  Is this a possible scenario?

Note: Drug is comming in into Aruba from Colombia and exported back to Holland but to risque for the USA, Unless higher-up involvement. FBI/DEA <---> MIU (dutch Militairy Intervention Unit)
XTC is comming back from Europe to Aruba, bonaire..and then exported back to other parts like USA and south America.

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I posted a post of yours a few pages back regarding your time line for that night. You said something like 1.45 to 4AM in that timeline, roughly 2 hours.

Apparently Carlos Ramos signed Statements that he saw at least Deepak and Joran at the Racquet Club before AM...My estimate is 2.45 as he said he got out of bed at 2.30 AM and was at work at 3AM.

Is this sighting a distraction...I haven't gone back to check, but I thought we established in Shango that he had passed at least one polygraph test.

Your thoughts would be appreciated. TIA