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CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN THREAD
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IF THERE IS A CONSERVATIVE ISSUE OR POSITION YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD FOR DISCUSSION, THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE.
THIS IS
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THE RIGHT PLACE TO DISAGREE WITH A REPUBLICAN OR CONSERVATIVE POSITION OR ISSUE, OR TO ARGUE A LIBERAL OR DEMOCRATIC POINT OF VIEW.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS
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IT'S FAR MORE INTERESTING TO CONTINUE A DISCUSSION AND LET IT LEAD WHERE IT WILL, THAN TO LOOSE THE FLOW WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT TOPICS.
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There's lots to discuss, and I'm in the right place. Let me make a few suggestions:
Who will emerge as possible candidates for the GOP in 2012?
Iran's missile test with Israel within reach; Welcome to the Big Leagues, Mr. President Elect!
Bailout or not for Auto Industry?
Global Economic Conference: Foreign Heads of States have asserted that economic regulations should be globally applied and the US dollar must be replaced as the standard by which other currancy is measured.
Same Sex Marriage: Voters vs Courts.
The issue itself does not have to be a conservative issue; many issues are quite neutral, but if your views are more on the conservative side, then please choose to discuss it here. I'm hoping that those whose views tend to be more liberal will do likewise on the threads I created for them as well.
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November 14, 2008, 0:00 a.m.
The Encroaching Command Economy
Dems want you to subsidize an industry made unprofitable by Dem policies.
By Charles Krauthammer
Finally, the outlines of a coherent debate on the federal bailout. This comes as welcome relief from a campaign season that gave us the House Republicans’ know-nothing rejectionism, John McCain’s mindless railing against “greed and corruption” and Barack Obama’s detached enunciation of vacuous bailout “principles” that allowed him to be all things to all people.
Now clarity is emerging. The fault line is the auto-industry bailout. The Democrats are pushing hard for it. The White House is resisting.
Underlying the policy differences is a philosophical divide. The Bush administration sees the $700 billion rescue as an emergency measure to save the financial sector on the grounds that finance is a utility. No government would let the electric companies go under and leave the country without power. By the same token, government must save the financial sector lest credit dry up and strangle the rest of the economy.
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is willing to stretch the meaning of “bank” by extending protection to such entities as American Express. But fundamentally, he sees government as saving institutions that deal in money, not other stuff.
Democrats have a larger canvas, with government intervening in other sectors of the economy to prevent the cascade effect of mass unemployment leading to more mortgage defaults and business failures (as consumer spending plummets), in turn dragging down more businesses and financial institutions, producing more unemployment, etc. — the death spiral of the 1930s.
Bush is trying to move the LIBOR or the TED spread, which measure credit flows. The Democrats’ index is the unemployment rate.
With almost 5 million workers supported by the auto industry, Democrats are pressing for a federal rescue. But the problems are obvious.
First, the arbitrariness. Where do you stop? Once you’ve gone beyond the financial sector, every struggling industry will make a claim on the federal treasury. What are the grounds for saying yes or no?
The criteria will inevitably be arbitrary and political. The money will flow preferentially to industries with lines to Capitol Hill and the White House. To the companies heavily concentrated in the districts of committee chairmen. To clout. Is this not precisely the kind of lobby-driven policymaking that Obama ran against?
Second is the sheer inefficiency. Saving Detroit means saving it from bankruptcy. As we have seen with the airlines, bankruptcy can allow operations to continue while helping shed fatally unsupportable obligations. For Detroit, this means release from ruinous wage deals with their astronomical benefits (the hourly cost of a Big Three worker: $73; of an American worker for Toyota: $48), massive pension obligations, and unworkable work rules such as “job banks,” a euphemism for paying vast numbers of employees not to work.
The point of the Democratic bailout is to protect the unions by preventing this kind of restructuring. Which will guarantee the continued failure of these companies, but now they will burn tens of billions of taxpayer dollars. It’s the ultimate in lemon socialism.
Democrats are suggesting, however, an even more ambitious reason to nationalize. Once the government owns Detroit, it can remake it. The euphemism here is “retool” Detroit to make cars for the coming green economy.
Liberals have always wanted the auto companies to produce the kind of cars they insist everyone should drive: small, light, green and cute. Now they will have the power to do it.
In World War II, government had the auto companies turning out tanks. Now they would be made to turn out hybrids. The difference is that, in the middle of a world war, tanks have a buyer. Will hybrids? One of the reasons Detroit is in such difficulty is that consumers have been resisting the smaller, less powerful, less safe cars forced on the industry by fuel-efficiency mandates. Now Detroit would be forced to make even more of them.
If you think we have economic troubles today, consider the effects of nationalizing an industry of this size, but now run by bureaucrats issuing production quotas to fit five-year plans to meet politically mandated fuel-efficiency standards — to lift us to the sunny uplands of the coming green utopia.
Republican minimalism — saving the credit-issuing utilities — certainly risks not doing enough. But the Democratic drift toward massive industrial policy threatens to grow into the guaranteed inefficiencies of command-economy maximalism.
In this crisis, we agree to suspend the invisible hand of Adam Smith — but not in order to be crushed by the heavy hand of government.
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