Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[Anna]

And I am certainly not implying that there is not any amount of corruption and other crimes happening in Aruba.  I did start the Murder and Crime thread.  But I don't think many of them factually effect what happened to Natalee.

Could have been used to apply pressure to others to cover up but not directly impacting.  Dealing with a very short time line.

Even with taking last time Joran seen at C&C until he reappears at school the next morning total time not very much for doing all the things attributed to him.

[Anna]

Yes, I can see why A lot more in-law vacations could be booked in Aruba. 

Is this not just the stupidest claim ever?  Dump anybody you chose into the drink and claim "oh, they died!" and all is forgiven except for the abuse of a corpse? 

How can they even tell us that with a straight face.  Well, actually when you think about it Dompig was often smirking as badly as Joran.

But still, if this works, they would have everybody  who wanted to do away with somebody dumping them in the ocean since nothing would happen to them if they just said the person died.  Their word would be taken as fact.


I think is is one of the things most insulting to our intelligence that they try to tell us.  And I do think they might feel very differently about it if they happened to be the dumpee.  They would want more than Joran's drunken word for it that they were in fact deceased.

Well at least their precious tourism is going to tank now for certain because of the economy if nothing else.  It is going to be a long time before people will be flocking to their shores from anywhere.

[BUCKSHOT]

Logged in late this AM and had to catch up.  Good morning.

I thought I had read somewhere that Ruth D. had died in the NL, and I would venture to guess I read it here.  Cannot say if it was verified, or just speculated.

Sharon, I was thinking of another LCD poster from earlier in the case.  Both SS & Klaas posted that he was part of the Brian's Dream team, which was something that I had missed along the way.  As for espionage FP posts, thankfully they were put in a separate thread and came in the more recent past. 

2NJ, That's what was originally written in newspapers about Ruth.

Now I am always amazed to log in here and find all the "facts" have suddenly changed and lots of "we found out" and "we know" completely different scenario each time.

 

Anna-

Colonel Mustard killed Ms.Peacock at the Racquetball Club with the Candlestick...

But by this afternoon, it will be Professor Plum did it in the Conservatory with a rope and for a FACT certain! (Because Kermit and CAPS said so. Joran and Paulus told them what happened. They just can't let anyone know, except through coded messages. Find the monkey's uncle, Count backwards from 100 by 7's, take that number multiple it by the square root of 16, and that is your answer)

 

[mojo]

Granny Toad said it all.

[Anna]

Well, that's my problem!  I never did like math very much.

[Edward]

Yes, I can see why A lot more in-law vacations could be booked in Aruba. 

Is this not just the stupidest claim ever?  Dump anybody you chose into the drink and claim "oh, they died!" and all is forgiven except for the abuse of a corpse? 

How can they even tell us that with a straight face.  Well, actually when you think about it Dompig was often smirking as badly as Joran.

But still, if this works, they would have everybody  who wanted to do away with somebody dumping them in the ocean since nothing would happen to them if they just said the person died.  Their word would be taken as fact.


I think is is one of the things most insulting to our intelligence that they try to tell us.  And I do think they might feel very differently about it if they happened to be the dumpee.  They would want more than Joran's drunken word for it that they were in fact deceased.

Well at least their precious tourism is going to tank now for certain because of the economy if nothing else.  It is going to be a long time before people will be flocking to their shores from anywhere.

That is also what happened with the character that took Max Derives out on a ski doo or Jet ski rental..
He said I lost him..
All was forgiven and no questions asked
ALE gave it a 2 hour search 4 hours later
Mom was sent home without her son and that strange fellow flew off into the sunset..

The boy was murdered by that man or sold off for money.
Everyone wears a flotation life preserver when they rent a Jet Ski.
No way that man would Lose that boy.. Period.

Aruba has many unexplained disapperances and murders..

Sheep being brought to the slaughter...
Silence of the lambs..
jmho

[BUCKSHOT]

I know exactly what happened. I just can't tell anyone.
It is a secret and might compromise things.

But, if you want a clue...
Fly to the moon. There you will find a little blue box, with a locked box inside.
Next, scuba dive to the bottom of the Indian Ocean. There you will find a key to the box.
Finally, hike to the top of Mount Everest. Open the box and read what happened.

Easy as one, two, three.
Hang in there - You might be on the right track, but then again, you might not.
Don't get discouraged, monkeys...

It will all soon become crystal clear. Just ten more thousand hours of work.

Ribbit. Gotta run.

 

[Anna]

At least it was wonderful to hear Greta calling Mos a liar and Joran a liar and all the rest last night.  I can barely wait until Monday to hear all she has new to tell and wish she would get on with it.

I also enjoyed hearing her panel trash any prosecutor who would not go for new evidence in a pending case.  Couldn't have been more blunt and was very surprised at Greta going so far as she is usually fairly moderate in her comments.  This system of revolving parties leading an investiation has to be totally disruptive to the process and just begs for them to just bide their time and do nothing because they know they will only be there for a short period of time anyway, why bother.

Will check back late this afternoon for the new facts!

[GrannyToad]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

[Lala'sMom]

Did we ever discover the monkey's uncle?

[Keepthefaith]

At least it was wonderful to hear Greta calling Mos a liar and Joran a liar and all the rest last night.  I can barely wait until Monday to hear all she has new to tell and wish she would get on with it.

I also enjoyed hearing her panel trash any prosecutor who would not go for new evidence in a pending case.  Couldn't have been more blunt and was very surprised at Greta going so far as she is usually fairly moderate in her comments.  This system of revolving parties leading an investiation has to be totally disruptive to the process and just begs for them to just bide their time and do nothing because they know they will only be there for a short period of time anyway, why bother.

Will check back late this afternoon for the new facts!

If i was reading correctly?PRDV will air a show on Sunday and Greta's show will be on Monday?Coincidence,and or planned for maximum exposure?As there are too many negatives to count in this case,one must continue to be hopeful,as well as thankful that Natalee and many others have the Monkey's around the world and other's in the media keeping these stories in the public eye...All Monkey's should truly look in the mirror and give themselves a pat on the back because each and every monkey truly deserves all the blessings they recieve..

KeeptheFaith

[Lala'sMom]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

Some in Natalee's family believe Charles Croes has much more to do with what happened than he wants us to think. 

[Edward]

Paulus and Joran are covering for...  L.M.
Because they were paid to do so.. L.M.
N.H. probably did die of a drug overdose given to her by L.M or his partner
OR
Could have traded N.H. For drugs later found in L.M. home.

J.M. said to me when I asked him through another person that talks to J.M. frequently, That money is not what the producers of drugs want !!!!
They trade for supplies and services needed or requested..
 This could be Guns or ammunition or food or clothing and or services for others they have bought and paid for.. In other words some Big Guy makes a request for a American Blondie Virgin girl ... and she is supplied..  It is just that simple
The thought that N.H. could be in Venezuela has been something I have written to Greta about when all of this first began. It would involve people in Venezuela..
I have always kept up the watch on Venezuela ever since..
I have talked about this many times at BFN and most full time posters from BFN and RWV know this.
It involves the drug related group the FARC and one big red shirted fat boy named Hugo and a party thrown where girls were brought for entertainment.. It was also a Santeria celebration.
 
It is Not the Popular theory..
But it is one theory from the very first day Natalee went missing for me.

But then again I understand the politics and the nature of south American males.
Most North Americans do not.

[Magnolia]

Just a possibility.

Beth said on Greta's show last night that she would just as soon
see Joran in a Thai prision.
Greta is totally discrediting Mos and the Aruban system.

Maybe they are going after Joran on the trafficking charges.
I think she was giving Mos the chance to subpoena Luke Zimmerman
and he wasn't interested.

The trafficking charges would be more prison time in a Thai jail
than a murder or manslaughter charge in Aruba.
Even though the transfer of Natalee, true or not,  was in Aruba,
it would show a pattern.

[johan555]

Mos in the netherlands "a simple officer "

trans via google
Interview with Mos

'YOU MUST ASK YOU HOW Offenders THOUGHT "
Hans Mos is an officer and works at the National Prosecution Service.
We fight against terrorism, drugs, smuggling, arms and
dirty money.
Hans is the leader of a team heavy with organized crime
specialization: cocaine smuggling. "Previously there was only one big mafia boss.
Today, the criminal networks, "says Mos officer. "The best to
my job is that you must think very hard about how that criminal gangs can
Addressing! You have to wonder how criminals think and what they would do. "
Detection: a drugs case
Last, the police received information about smuggling cocaine from South America
to the Netherlands. That had to be verified. "One of the first questions is how
that your research is addressing, "says Hans Mos. "That is very hard to think.
Drug smugglers are very smart. They hide drugs between walls of a
container or between fruit, hiding under sacks of rice, pasta injecting drugs in
or swallowing beads in cocaine. You can not think of it as crazy. "The police make
therefore the prosecutor a plan how that research should be
addressed. The plan, against whom the police investigation and whether they go
observing, listening, infiltrate or do a search. All very
exciting. "The research we get more information. The cocaine was found in
food cans to be hidden that were transported in containers. But the
Rotterdam port handles about 8 million per year containers, so where had
we begin? Then you should really think again: how should these criminals that
do? We found the containers and a large number of suspects were arrested, "
Hans Mos says. "We were obviously very interested in the drug smuggling network.
We listened to phone calls and tried to find proof.
Mostly, prosecutors in such cases to investigate
South America. Such an investigation may very long time. "
Prosecution: fair trial
"If at the end of our investigation is enough evidence, the smugglers
prosecuted, "explains officer from Mos. An officer makes an indictment (a subpoena)
and sends the file with all the evidence - often more than 25 binders of
600 pages - to the judge and the lawyers of the suspects. "I want
always do nicely. It should be a clear understanding of what we have found, "
Mos officer said. 'Even a rogue must have the feeling that he has a fair trial
gets. "Then, a trial of the suspected drug traffickers. The officer
tell the judges what the police have found evidence to which there are laws
and imprisonment for contravening what he demands. The judges then make decisions.
If the convicted drug smugglers are watching the officer if there're
dirty money back to get to. "If you run against the lamp, we dress you all
off. We take everything confiscated. Houses, boats, paintings, farmlands. All criminal
profits should be refunded to the state. It also accounts abroad
be ransacked. So we try to stop the criminals. Crime does not pay. "

[bastibro]

I know exactly what happened. I just can't tell anyone.
It is a secret and might compromise things.

But, if you want a clue...
Fly to the moon. There you will find a little blue box, with a locked box inside.
Next, scuba dive to the bottom of the Indian Ocean. There you will find a key to the box.
Finally, hike to the top of Mount Everest. Open the box and read what happened.

Easy as one, two, three.
Hang in there - You might be on the right track, but then again, you might not.
Don't get discouraged, monkeys...

It will all soon become crystal clear. Just ten more thousand hours of work.

Ribbit. Gotta run.

 

[mariloo]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

I believe someone let them know Beth was on her way before she left for Aruba and when the plan landed, I believe someone called pvds.

[Blonde]

I don't know if this has been discussed.  How long was the radar out that night????  When Simion says "the bird was on the wire"  Then "the bird flew away".  When I worked in communications (AA) we called the bird on the wire a line problem, when the line was cleared the bird flew away.

Amigoe
November 2005
"Radar System Not Watertight"

ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”

www.amigoe.com/

I remember it was posted somewhere Looking now, that it was NOT working Aruba Lied

[GrannyToad]

Remember the reason that Paul didn't get money from Aruban taxpayers' pockets for having been arrested was that under their dutch system the reason for his arrest was appropriate.

There were people who say they heard him say he picked THEM up at 4 AM.

Not the 11 PM he tried later to claim.

I was always more interested, or at least as interested, in who "THEM" was.

picked THEM up

Joran and who else?

[bleachedblack]

Rene is so unusual in ALL of this.. He is Dutch he was also married to a very beautiful woman. Pita posted her photo a few days ago.
I really doubt she murdered him..especially cutting off his head..
That cut was a Colombian Bow tie .. A warning..or a silence of a lamb.
jmho

I agree, highly unlikely his wife killed him in such a manner.