Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[johan555]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

[Blonde]

BUCKSHOT
I know exactly what happened. I just can't tell anyone.
It is a secret and might compromise things.

But, if you want a clue...
Fly to the moon. There you will find a little blue box, with a locked box inside.
Next, scuba dive to the bottom of the Indian Ocean. There you will find a key to the box.
Finally, hike to the top of Mount Everest. Open the box and read what happened.

Easy as one, two, three.
Hang in there - You might be on the right track, but then again, you might not.
Don't get discouraged, monkeys...

It will all soon become crystal clear. Just ten more thousand hours of work.

Ribbit. Gotta run.

I don't now who posted this
(Because Kermit and CAPS said so. Joran and Paulus told them what happened. They just can't let anyone know, except through coded messages. Find the monkey's uncle, Count backwards from 100 by 7's, take that number multiple it by the square root of 16, and that is your answer)

Poochy
Me thinks "froggy" should be posting over in the codetalker thread with all of his/her 'clues' !!!
Or, if  "froggy" wants to post on this main thread, get the flies out of da throat and just SPIT IT OUT ALREADY!

Just maybe someone doesn't know all the answers, and they want the monkeys to do all the work and find the answers for them.
Tired of coded messages we have been getting enough from Aruba.
I'm with POOCHY SPIT IT OUT ALREADY

[bleachedblack]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

I believe someone let them know Beth was on her way before she left for Aruba and when the plan landed, I believe someone called pvds.

Respectfully disagree, or all T's would have been crossed and i's dotted. Joran would have been home sleeping in his bed, and the 2K's theirs and Papa P would have run to the door before the first knock.

[always 1]

If I recall, it was July 05, 2005, when the Dutch sent the SST's to look for Natalee, did anyone ever find more to this story???

[Dayhiker]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

[mariloo]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

I believe someone let them know Beth was on her way before she left for Aruba and when the plan landed, I believe someone called pvds.

Respectfully disagree, or all T's would have been crossed and i's dotted. Joran would have been home sleeping in his bed, and the 2K's theirs and Papa P would have run to the door before the first knock.

But pvds never in his wildest dreams did he think Beth would be on the way that soon.  He did not have enough time to get his facts straight.  He had to school three dumbasses first.  Remember?

[Dayhiker]

Rene is so unusual in ALL of this.. He is Dutch he was also married to a very beautiful woman. Pita posted her photo a few days ago.
I really doubt she murdered him..especially cutting off his head..
That cut was a Colombian Bow tie .. A warning..or a silence of a lamb.
jmho

I agree, highly unlikely his wife killed him in such a manner.
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Thumbs up o that BB and Edward! Infintesimally rare for a domestic dispute to end in decapitation.

[Blonde]

If I recall, it was July 05, 2005, when the Dutch sent the SST's to look for Natalee, did anyone ever find more to this story???

What is the SST's

[Dayhiker]

At least it was wonderful to hear Greta calling Mos a liar and Joran a liar and all the rest last night.  I can barely wait until Monday to hear all she has new to tell and wish she would get on with it.

I also enjoyed hearing her panel trash any prosecutor who would not go for new evidence in a pending case.  Couldn't have been more blunt and was very surprised at Greta going so far as she is usually fairly moderate in her comments.  This system of revolving parties leading an investiation has to be totally disruptive to the process and just begs for them to just bide their time and do nothing because they know they will only be there for a short period of time anyway, why bother.

Will check back late this afternoon for the new facts!

Ain't that music to your ears? Of course, it took Greta getting the shaft by Mos for her to figure it out, but better late than never and I hope she mops the floor with the worthless prick.

[Helen Back]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

Yes, thanks Johan.  Brings to mind a post by Michelle on the subject:

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/07/paulus-web-of-his-pedophile-network.html

[mariloo]

ON PAULASS VANDERSLOOT.  He is the scum of the earth and his offshoot is as well, but he is a chicken when it comes to facing real people and questioning.  He runs, hides his face.  Do you remember how he was sweating bullets at his first televised interview.  A physician here stated he was on drugs or extremely nervous.  I think a little of both.  You could see in his eyes and body language he was lying through his teeth.  The Kalpoes have been there done that before.  They were not too unnerved.  Paulas is just as guilty as if he murdered  Natalee himself (he might have).  It was his slogan and I will never forget it, "No body, no crime".  He was arrested to keep anyone from talking to him.  He was so nervous, he may have given up information.  When the web was being unweaved, people started transferring, retiring, dying, vacationing, etc.  What a mess on that island.  I would never want to go there ever.  I pray for justice.

[Helen Back]

don't know who this guy Micha Kat is, but chose this from his site because it's in english   

http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=6584

Call to the international media: expose this!


Micha Kat          14 juli 2008

Aan alle lezers van deze site: forward deze link naar as many as foreign media as you can find!
The Netherlands faces the most criminal of paedophilic gangs and a total breakdown of law and order. Elite of Dutch politicians and Dutch law-enforcement involved. Government blackmailed for years and years. Biggest media-cover up in the history of Dutch press.
Outline of Dutch Demmink-case for the international media.

Aan alle lezers van deze site: forward deze link naar as many as foreign media as you can find!

The Netherlands faces the most criminal of paedophilic gangs and a total breakdown of law and order. Elite of Dutch politicians and Dutch law-enforcement involved. Government blackmailed for years and years. Biggest media-cover up in the history of Dutch press.

Outline of Dutch Demmink-case for the international media.

Facts about the Dutch Dutroux-case and the blackmailing of government

   1. In the summer of 1996 Marc Dutroux was arrested in Belgium. In the ensuing process, which resulted in his conviction in 2004, many indications and documents pointed at the involvement of Dutch politicians and other important people in the abuse of children for sexual purposes. These leads however were never followed.

   1. In 1998 the Dutch prosecutors in Amsterdam were working on the so called ‘Rolodex case’ in which a bunch of very high-ranking people were suspected of being member of a gang of abusers of children. Among those people were a former minister of the cabinet, the personal counsel of queen Beatrix and two leading criminal prosecutors. The police was already preparing to make arrests and search houses, when the whole operation was killed. It later emerged in the so called ‘Runderkamp-papers’ (named after a leading journalist from the NOS, the Dutch main news-medium, who worked on the case) that a very high official in the Ministry of Justice in the Hague, mr. Joris Demmink, played a strange role in the affair: he was suspected of being a member of the gang but also leaked information from the prosecution to the suspects. Police officers and also mr. Runderkamp thought that this role of Demmink was behind the decision to cancel the ‘Rolodex-operation’ as suspects were warned and had the chance to destroy evidence.

   1. In april 1998 Dutch television-documentary Netwerk broadcasted two items about a bunch of criminals smuggling young children to the Netherlands from Eastern Europe for sexual purposes. Netwerk laid hands on telephone-taps from the Rolodex-case; in these taps we hear a very high ranking official from the Ministry of Justice named ‘Joris’ ‘ordering’ some children for the weekend. The official identity of this ‘Joris’ has never been officially clarified, although now it is a ‘public secret’ that it is Joris Demmink.

   1. In November 2002 mr. Joris Demmink is appointed as the highest official on legal matters in the Netherlands. As his appointment lay on the table, there were 40 warnings and indications of his criminal sexual behavior. They were all laid aside.

   1. In October 2003 two Dutch magazines published long and detailed stories about mr. Joris Demmink abusing under-aged prostitutes in a public park in the south of the country. It was published that he used his state-paid limousine to abuse young children on the back bench. The cabinet reacted vehemently by saying it were all lies. One week later however, one of the abused children in the park indicts mr. Demmink for criminal offense. Two days later it is made known by the cabinet that the indiction was ‘false’. Demmink in the meantime confesses to two journalists that he has had sex with under-aged children . This is later reported by the NOS evening journal on television. But than the lawyers for Demmink start fighting the allegation, resulting in a ‘sort of’ rectification by the NOS.

   1. In april 2007 the whole affair gets an international dimension as a lawyer for an important Turkish-Kurdish businessman and politician again indicts mr. Demmink for sexual abuse of children. This lawyer has the most shocking of stories, all very well documented with tapes, video’s and Turkish police-reports. The basis of this new allegation is that the Turkish government has blackmailed the Dutch government by threatening to ask for the eviction of mr. Demmink to Turkey for sexual crimes committed in Turkey if the Dutch did not put the Kurdish businessman in jale for life. The Turkish government wanted to get rid of this businessman because he had evidence that the Turkish government at that time (under Tansu Ciller) was heavily involved in exporting of drugs and was spreading this evidence around the world. The Dutch government succumbs to the Turks, mainly because the Turks have photographs of Demmink abusing children in Turkey, and organize a complete ‘fake-process’ to get the Kurdish businessman convicted. In this process they used specially fabricated and manipulated telephone-taps. That these taps were fake has been proven by more than ten specialists from the Netherlands and the USA.

   1. In 2008 there are many more indications that the whole legal system in the Netherlands is corrupted by blackmail as many big criminals can walk free for the most bizarre of reasons. Again the Rolodex-case comes to the forefront: the indications of blackmail focus around cases handled by prosecutors who were also member of the abusive gang. Another indication for blackmail are the 20 or so cases in which highly classified files were ‘lost’ or ‘stolen’ from high-ranking officials. These files mostly contained information about high-profile criminal investigations.

   1. In the summer of 2008 the Dutch government denies any indication of criminal offense by mr. Demmink or by other high-ranking officials. Demmink is still in function in the Ministry of Justice. The lawyer for the Kurdish businessman now has appealed against a court-ruling not to prosecute mr. Demmink. The higher court is due to rule in September about this appeal. This is the last chance of mr. Demmink being brought to justice.

The last medium in the Netherlands researching this case has stopped working on it in 2007. At this moment, the media keep quiet or are protecting mr. Demmink by writing that he is a ‘victim of a slandering-operation by criminal gangs’ without elaborating any further. I have written many stories about this case on the internet and want it to come out in the international media as I have not the slightest doubt on the extreme seriousness of the situation in my country.

This is a ‘master-link’ summarizing the basic facts. Underneath this link are many more links solidifying the evidence.

http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/artikel/755/affaire-joris-demmink-het-feitenoverzicht.html

It is in Dutch however

Aan alle lezers van deze site: forward deze link naar as many as foreign media as you can find!

[Dayhiker]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

I believe someone let them know Beth was on her way before she left for Aruba and when the plan landed, I believe someone called pvds.

Respectfully disagree, or all T's would have been crossed and i's dotted. Joran would have been home sleeping in his bed, and the 2K's theirs and Papa P would have run to the door before the first knock.

But pvds never in his wildest dreams did he think Beth would be on the way that soon.  He did not have enough time to get his facts straight.  He had to school three dumbasses first.  Remember?

IIR, Paulua or Goonchild even said they didn't expect the family to arrive so quickly.

Why would they be expecting the family to arrive if they supposedly didn't know she was missing?

[always 1]

If I recall, it was July 05, 2005, when the Dutch sent the SST's to look for Natalee, did anyone ever find more to this story???

What is the SST's

Stands for Super Sonic Transport, I believe.

[johan555]

The renewed hunting of Peter R. de Vries on Joran van der Sloot in Thailand would be a diversionary tactic may be to take the focus away from the man who coute que coute from the wind should be held: father Paul van der Sloot.

He has Natalee-raped by Joran and then they worked together and the corpse disappear. 99.9% !
Paul everywhere on the Internet is exposed as a perpetrator, not that that is now a 'proof', but it's just too much to swallow that Paulus in the Dutch research has never been given the place it deserves on the basis of the facts. Even Peter R. de Vries has not given him that place.
 But the most important indication for the debt of Paul and that brings us back to the Demmink case(in Holland )is that he was a member of the judiciary. The pattern is now no longer ignore: anyone who 'member' of the 'legal family in the Netherlands is free, whether he is  Joost Tonino hot, Fokke Fernhout, Hans Holthuis, Frits SALOMONSON, Paul van der Sloot or Joris Demmink.
   2. According to the neighbor of Joran in Arnhem  Joran brag often loud and clear about  the actions and what  he had done with Natalee. He brag  against his friends on and did very easygoing during bizarre rulings. The boys with whom he lived together all the details have heard several times. I do not understand why they have not been heard by the police. "


 Micha Kat

Great post Johan! Is this a journalist in Holland, a forum poster or what? Who is Micha Kat?

Micha's website > http://www.klokkenluideronline.nl/

[GrannyToad]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

[always 1]

Also, want to know more about the supposed ET Grid stationed in Aruba.  Is that for real????  I have always thought, and this will probably amuse some, that there was something more to this story.  Something more valueable than oil, more dangerous than drugs, that Aruba would allow the US to destroy their ecomony.  What are they really hiding????

[bleachedblack]

The percentage of likelihood of a tipoff to Paul vdSloot that Monday night that Beth & troupe arrived on Aruba would have been from EITHER Charles Croes, OR the by Noord police while they all sat out in the station parking lot waiting for the police escort to the vdSloot place would be in the high 90s. Could even call that 100%.

I believe someone let them know Beth was on her way before she left for Aruba and when the plan landed, I believe someone called pvds.

Respectfully disagree, or all T's would have been crossed and i's dotted. Joran would have been home sleeping in his bed, and the 2K's theirs and Papa P would have run to the door before the first knock.

But pvds never in his wildest dreams did he think Beth would be on the way that soon.  He did not have enough time to get his facts straight.  He had to school three dumbasses first.  Remember?

IIR, Paulua or Goonchild even said they didn't expect the family to arrive so quickly.

Why would they be expecting the family to arrive if they supposedly didn't know she was missing?

Exactly. They knew she would be there, but I don't agree that they were aware she was on the way before she left for Aruba. I agree with what Granny said, and this suprise element (to a degree) was what allowed the information that did surface in those initial first hours was likely most correct.

[johan555]

also Micha 

   Joran case, "Aruba brothel for judges"
Published by Micha Kat September 23, 2008 in General.

Of the situation in Aruba, I know what the extent to which there are many hotemetoten be spoiled by the mostly Colombian whores. And everybody knows everybody, so .... It would surprise me almost as the father of Joran not so much compromising information about key people in police and judiciary had, so that he can blackmail them.

Wichers says' the court rammende 'Wedzinga in an email to this website which previously was quoted on this site because the former councilor in the same mails Mr Donner and Hirsch Ballin described as permanent visitors of an SM club in Breda. Currently, the 'Slootjes "weather plenty of interest because through a publication in De Telegraaf now the focus is again focused on the' judge in training" Paul van der Sloot. The 'Emmy' for Peter R. de Vries for his "Joran broadcast" indicates the matter back timeliness. This site has always said that father-Sloot is the key to solving the mystery-Holloway, but that Paul protection is taken by the judiciary because of his knowledge of the sexual excesses of the men (and women) judges to "the islands. " Worse: Paul was a kind of 'sexual Maitre the plaisir "for the right guild which should ensure that the magistrates had enough kicks! The unveiling of Wedzinga that judges in Aruba to go outside to Colombian sex with hookers is grist to the mill of this hypothesis.

The moral of this story: the case will never be solved because all the senior gentlemen to over and under their toga in the sexual dredging have become entangled! If justice had the matter seriously want to tackle, that was already long done and were father and son Van der Sloot already long and wide behind bars!

[bleachedblack]

When are some of y'all going to get over dramatizing whacking Rene's head nearly off with a machete calling it a "colombian bowtie"? It just ain't so. There is a specific appearance that goes with that phrase.

And while I have no opinion whether his little wife did it or got him into the truck alone to drive it off to where his corpse was found by herself or not, I can tell you that age 9 and 10 I could handle a machete pretty well myself, even shinnying up a coconut palm to whack off some green ones. I was probably smaller than she.

There is just no need or call for the drama.

Not drama. It was reported that he was found Columbian necktie style...which indicated that the head was nearly off and the tongue pulled out to appear as a tie. Size has nothing to do with it.....it is much more......just like the suicides of which we have seen photos - with their hands in their pockets, or feet touching ground? A sunny place for shady people........