Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[bleachedblack]

Andre dos Santos

[always 1]

Lala, you are the all wise scribe, Kermie didn't answer me, does that mean I am so off base, it is not funny???

[Lala'sMom]

I guess what confuses me is we have a witness that has passed a polygraph two times about the pond issue.  The pond was drained and people want to think it was because of Tromp...which it was not.  The pond was drained in a manner that kept those that were willing to pay to have it drained out of the loop.  Joran and Paulus are both placed there on the morning in question.  What other reason would that be done had it not had something to do with Natalee? 

Joran pointed to the ocean so often that it told me there was little to it.  After learning what I did about the cage in the ocean and the size of it...I knew that you could not take that heavy cage out in a small boat.  I think what has me scratching my head are the sudden implications on diversions.  I have always thought that CC was indeed there to watch and learn to pass things on to those that needed to know. Yet, we went from talking pond and creidble witness to who stole the stuff from the cage in the ocean so fast that I am still dizzy over it. I am sure it's just me. 

[Blue Moon]

LaLamom, hopefully this will help clear up. throw out what you think you know and just follow the truth



March 8, 2008 CAPS POSTED - "I hope tomorrow we will have the final links into a final resolution about the pond. This coming week is THE DAY.
Me and J & W and the C's are all in agreement now that it must be there.
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2680.560

J = John Silvetti

grave robbers





Greta van Sustern: "He's lying


COVER-UP

DOLPH RICHARDSON

Aruba divers arriving. WHY? Where are the American's? Where is Tim Miller? Where is Hodges? Where is Dateline?
Who was in charge - go back and start at the beginning of this post.



1 tennis shoe inside cage




Joran: "She's in the ocean


Look at the distance from shore.




private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

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Hans Mos
Dolph Richardson
Aruban divers
John Silvetti

COVER-UP

The picture of the lone guy on a boat looks like he has a body laying there.  NOW I know I am
going crazy.

[mariloo]

Mariloo I am unaware where your information about Paul being so additionally unsettled came from, other than the obvious - Joran's stunt from the night before and need for coverup, the meeting just earlier, followed more recently by the more current information from either CCroes or the cops that their victim's mother and friends were enroute to the vdSloot doorstep.

Actually, it had always suggested to me that copcar sirens and lights out at the gates would cue Paul to phone Joran over at his little pad, where I guess he wasn't. We don't really know where Joran was, or wasn't right just then, do we?

We do know that Paul led everyone away from the house long enough for Joran and Deepak to appear, parked in the roadway outside the vdSloot gate by the time the Wild Goose Parade returned.
 
Anywayz. Mariloo is there something more about Paul to add here?

I just cannot get over him hiding in the bushes.  I firmly believe he has more to do with this than appears.

[bleachedblack]

A PIMP

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The intense need by Joran to place himself amongst many of his friends, and in front of surveillance cameras for the remainder of the night is evidenced in the following statements.

JOHN Q KELLY SAYS JORAN AND GUIDO WEAVER WERE TOGETHER FROM 7:00 - 2:00 AM NOTE THAT THE FIRST PLACE KELLY MENTIONS IS THE WYNDHAM... ANDRE STATED JORAN DID NOT GET THERE UNTIL 8:30

KELLY: For the life of me, I don't know, Greta. You know, this is someone who, the evening of the morning Natalee disappeared, he was with Joran the entire evening, you know, there at the Windham Hotel, the Aruba Grand, then over at the Radisson from, you know, 7:00 in the evening until 2:00 the next morning, they were out in his car and doing different things. And he certainly should have at least been a person of interest that they should have nailed down all the questions that they wanted to ask him back the beginning of June. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196661,00.html

ANDRE SAYS JORAN ARRIVED AT THE WYNDHAM AT 8:30

I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel
June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos

JORAN SAYS THE TOURNAMENT STARTED AT 8:15

I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. The tournament started at 20.15 pm.
JVDS 6-14

ANDRE SAYS IT TOOK A LONG TIME AFTER JORAN ARRIVED FOR THE TOURNAMENT TO START

I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament started I saw that Joran played black-jack during this time. Three Card but I now no longer remember which of the two
June 20, 2005 - Andre Dos Santos

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:WE3Oh4YHsjYJ:nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/10/in-face-of-evil-may-30-2005_19.html+andre+dos+santos+aruba&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&client=firefox-a

[Edward]

Ok, I will say one more thing about this and then I will hush.  2005, 124 HLW Cannisters. were shipped from France.  These, I believe are shipped thru the Caribbean. 

?? OK   I am sorry.. What is a HLW ?
T/A

[Edward]

I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. The tournament started at 20.15 pm.
JVDS 6-14

Was Twitty around Joran when this was going on ??

[always 1]

Ok, I will say one more thing about this and then I will hush.  2005, 124 HLW Cannisters. were shipped from France.  These, I believe are shipped thru the Caribbean. 

?? OK   I am sorry.. What is a HLW ?
T/A

High Level Waste

[johan555]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

[klaasend]

Beto

Jaime Alberto CARRASQUILIA CACERES, born in Columbia on April 25 1985, E.P.I.(Sector Economico) and living ****** ***** ****** *** on Aruba. His statement goes as follows.
he said this :To your question as to who "Andre" is, I answer you that he is a friend of Joran's. He lives in Palm beach. I do not know what car he drives. According to me he goes to the "Mon Plaisier College". I don't have Andre's mobile telephone number and I do not know his last name either. I can point out to you the house where Andre lives. I further have to remark that Joran goes to casino with Andre. Andre has a younger brother called "Arthur".

who is this Andre ?

Andre dos Santos and his brother Arthur dos Santos

[johan555]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

Nfreebirds :

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

[always 1]

Lala's?????????????????????????????????

[Frank]

I still believe Natalee died at the van der sloot home. To me it seems obvious, the lack of a proper search of the residence, why?

the fact that when they dutch came to investigate, the first place they dug is the van der sloot home, why?

She may have been brought to the beach but the main crime scene has to be the van der sloot house.

Joran is being protected because he is protecting alot of people, first and foremost his father.

[GrannyToad]

Aruba's dump aquired I think a pair of the oldold refinery crackers' incinerators. The more modern ones in use at the refinery don't do people. We researched that summer of '05, so forgetit. It feels strange going over this same stuff three years later.

Anna and I, we still believe in KISS: keep it simple, stupid.

I never paid any attention to the white slavery tales, no time for fantasy fiction. No I don't know what those eyesoles did with her, Aruban/Dutch sensibilities about sanctity of and respect for life seems much different than our values. Dumped asea? Oh, possibly. An old Aruban suggested a cesspool.

[johan555]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

Nfreebirds :

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

is there a "Andre " statement about joran's winnings ?

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's?????????????????????????????????

Yes????????

[always 1]

Lala's?????????????????????????????????

Yes????????

Did Kermie avoid my question because I am sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong???

[klaasend]

Beto

Jaime Alberto CARRASQUILIA CACERES, born in Columbia on April 25 1985, E.P.I.(Sector Economico) and living ****** ***** ****** *** on Aruba. His statement goes as follows.
he said this :To your question as to who "Andre" is, I answer you that he is a friend of Joran's. He lives in Palm beach. I do not know what car he drives. According to me he goes to the "Mon Plaisier College". I don't have Andre's mobile telephone number and I do not know his last name either. I can point out to you the house where Andre lives. I further have to remark that Joran goes to casino with Andre. Andre has a younger brother called "Arthur".

who is this Andre ?

Andre dos Santos and his brother Arthur dos Santos

[Lala'sMom]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

Nfreebirds :

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

Of course he read all those statements.  That is a known fact by many in Natalee's family.  Paulus had access to all of it.