Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[klaasend]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

Nfreebirds :

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

is there a "Andre " statement about joran's winnings ?

Andre's statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=310.0

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's?????????????????????????????????

Yes????????

Did Kermie avoid my question because I am sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wrong???

You didn't give him enough bugs.  I have no idea.  I still get the feeling that Kermit is saying Silvetti aided in a cover up. I however, know for a fact that Beth has very high regard for John.  He was the person that helped bring Caps' witness over here for the polygraph with the aid of Tim Miller...so I am still confused as to exactly what Kermit is thinking here. I just gave you facts as I know them...no hints or confusion in what I said. I am having great difficulty trying to sort all of this information.

[GrannyToad]

Mariloo, follow me here. You stated that you thought Paul exceptionally unsettled by the time Beth & group arrived late Monday night.

We all know what Paul was like after that time. That's why I questioned your perception about so early. If you were talking through your hat, say so.

[Blue Moon]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

[johan555]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

Nfreebirds :

Could Paulus have simply tried to use a “deposit” as his excuse for being gone from work on May 30 2005 at around 10:00 am?

Could he have read an official statement given to police by Andre Dos Santos about Joran’s winnings from May 30th, and tried to confuse the issue by saying Joran had won that money on May 29th instead – thus giving himself a plausible reason for going to the bank on May 30th at 3:30 pm?

Paulus was arrested 3 days after Andre gave his statement to authorities, and according to Aruban attorney David Kock, defense attorneys were receiving such statements within 3 or 4 days of them being given.

Did Paulus use information from Andre’s statement to then mislead investigators about his true reason for being at the bank and speaking with Ruth Dijkhoff at 3:30 pm on May 30th?

Of course he read all those statements.  That is a known fact by many in Natalee's family.  Paulus had access to all of it.

The bank

Paul's Statement :
 I can also remember that around 10.00 hours I went
to the C.M.B. bank. There were long cues at the bank so I left without
having made any transaction and went back to work. I left my workplace
at approximately 15.00 hours. I arrived at the bank at approximately 15.30.
I had gone to the C.M.B. bank that is situated in Noord.

To your question whether I went to the bank without stopping
or going anywhere else, I can state the following. I at least cannot
remember having been anywhere else. I think I went directly to the bank.
At the bank I talked to Ruth DIJKHOFF. At the bank I deposited the
money that Joran said that he had won in the “Free Tournament in
the Holiday Inn” on the 29th of May 2005. It was approximately
500 Aruban guilders. Joran had given me 100 guilders because he
had taken over my place in the tournament.
After depositing the money I went home.


Paul went to his work at 8 > 20 minutes drive   and at 10 o'clock to the bank ? 
Why does he say that Joran won a Tournament  in the Bank ?
What is the legal age for gambling in Aruba ? IS he proud ? not ashamed that his son vistit the Casino ?
He use the name Ruth as a kind of witness ?
And why  2 times to the bank to bring 100 guilders ?

Why was there a Need to go 2 times to the bank ?

He had to arrange something mysterious ?
About his visit at the Bank that night ?

[mariloo]

Mariloo, follow me here. You stated that you thought Paul exceptionally unsettled by the time Beth & group arrived late Monday night.

We all know what Paul was like after that time. That's why I questioned your perception about so early. If you were talking through your hat, say so.

Maybe so, I was watching the interview at the gate on tv.  Do you remember how unsettled he was?  There was something more to this.  I still have a visual in my head.  Why would he be stooping down trying to hide behind bushes, IF HE WAS INNOCENT AND THIS IS HIS FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF THE MISSING NATALEE???  The slimeball knew something right then, had been a party to something or SOMETHING.  It was obvious to me.  Do I have a crystal ball?  No.  Do I have gut feelings?  Yes.  He would not try to hide in the bushes just because of something somebody had accused his pretty little boy of doing the night before.  HE KNEW BECAUSE HE WAS A PART OF.  That is what I believe talking thru my hat or otherwise.  I want to go over there and strangle him as I know Beth did.  This is JUST MY MONKEY OPINION.  NOT A GUARANTEED SCENERIO.

[Lala'sMom]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

no

[klaasend]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

[always 1]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

It looks like a guy bending over with a gun to his back.

[always 1]

Lala - email please.

[Buckeye]

O/T

Two new filings in the Dr. Phil/K2 arena:

11/17/2008 Brief (RE THEIR CAUSE OF ACTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

11/17/2008 Proof of Service (RE BRIEF RE CAUSE OF ACTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Case # BC363201

[johan555]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

It looks like a guy bending over with a gun to his back.

is it a fake picture ?

[GrannyToad]

Oh. Mariloo I think I can help with that scenario. What you saw is not 2 AM Tuesday morning, about 24 hours after Natalee was disappeared, in the dead of night, with copcars and Alabamans all around.

I think you've viewed a different scene video'd by FOX some later daytime, in broad daylight, when Beth and Greta went by I think maybe about a week later, maybe two. That may be earlier of the same day that Beth learned that Paul was now claiming to have picked Joran up "at 11 PM" to her surprise, instead of 4 AM like she had in her notes.

The morning Paul was arrested Beth ran into one of the two cops who'd been with the group the night of her arrival, who confirmed that 4 AM is what he'd heard, also. That polisman's statement from that night hasn't shown up YET in the case history, for all I know.

[bastibro]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

It looks like a guy bending over with a gun to his back.

is it a fake picture ?

inflatable doll 

[always 1]

Who wrote Grave Robbers on the picture of the trap????

[Lala'sMom]

Let me ask this....why would after 3 years a body still be in that good shape at the bottom of the ocean?  It is not a body...at least not Natalee's body.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala - email please.

nanner basket

[klaasend]

O/T

Two new filings in the Dr. Phil/K2 arena:

11/17/2008 Brief (RE THEIR CAUSE OF ACTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

11/17/2008 Proof of Service (RE BRIEF RE CAUSE OF ACTION, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil

Case # BC363201

Here is the Brief filed.  I didn't get the proof of service.  I'm also not putting it into screen captures unless someone really thinks I need to:

[Altruist]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

Looks like a person naked from the waist up bending over to do something on deck to the right to me.  There is nothing stationary under the chest of the person, to my eye.  Looking at the screen through a magnifying glass.  Apologize if this has already been addressed.

[bastibro]

Klaas, is Celes Fabienne Maessen?  Thanks in advance