Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

Mariloo, follow me here. You stated that you thought Paul exceptionally unsettled by the time Beth & group arrived late Monday night.

We all know what Paul was like after that time. That's why I questioned your perception about so early. If you were talking through your hat, say so.

Beth, posse, and ALE arrive at the VDS compound in the middle of the night looking for information.

After much commotion, PVDS hesitates to come out.  Why?

Most people I know would want to know why the police were outside the gate wanting to come in. Did the police come often to the VDS compound?

Knowing his son was off gambling on a school night, wouldn't he wonder if something was wrong with Joran?  Maybe Joran was hurt?  Given the number of VDS and other phones, broken, lost, misplaced over the weekend, and on Monday/Tuesday, why ignore the police at the gate?

Maybe something had happened to Anita?  Terrorism in Holland?  Sickness?  Accident?

Most people would think "OMG, something has happened to..." - even if "..." is no longer a child, even if they were in their 60's or something.  I think it's a parent instinct.  A family instinct.  A human instinct.

If not a human instinct, wasn't he concerned that police were there because someone was breaking into one of the buildings on the compound?  Maybe someone stole a VDS car and took it for a joyride?   

It's also just a nosy thing.  Any time the police or 911 services are at someone's house, a crowd seems to gather.  Who's in trouble?  Someone die?  Someone have a heart attack?  Domestic problem?  What was the crowd thinking at the VDS compound that night?   

I've often wondered if the neighbors were disappeared on Monday for that very reason.  IIRC, they were on 'vacation'... 

Why wouldn't someone WANT to know why people are at the gate?   

The two security guards that were arrested later that week, did the police wait patiently for them to answer the door? 

just my humble opinions

[Slogger]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would! 

We have seen so much BS thrown at us, we could fertilize all of North America.  The seat may be something we can build upon for more observations.

[mariloo]

Mariloo, follow me here. You stated that you thought Paul exceptionally unsettled by the time Beth & group arrived late Monday night.

We all know what Paul was like after that time. That's why I questioned your perception about so early. If you were talking through your hat, say so.

Beth, posse, and ALE arrive at the VDS compound in the middle of the night looking for information.

After much commotion, PVDS hesitates to come out.  Why?

Most people I know would want to know why the police were outside the gate wanting to come in. Did the police come often to the VDS compound?

Knowing his son was off gambling on a school night, wouldn't he wonder if something was wrong with Joran?  Maybe Joran was hurt?  Given the number of VDS and other phones, broken, lost, misplaced over the weekend, and on Monday/Tuesday, why ignore the police at the gate?

Maybe something had happened to Anita?  Terrorism in Holland?  Sickness?  Accident?

Most people would think "OMG, something has happened to..." - even if "..." is no longer a child, even if they were in their 60's or something.  I think it's a parent instinct.  A family instinct.  A human instinct.

If not a human instinct, wasn't he concerned that police were there because someone was breaking into one of the buildings on the compound?  Maybe someone stole a VDS car and took it for a joyride?   

It's also just a nosy thing.  Any time the police or 911 services are at someone's house, a crowd seems to gather.  Who's in trouble?  Someone die?  Someone have a heart attack?  Domestic problem?  What was the crowd thinking at the VDS compound that night?   

I've often wondered if the neighbors were disappeared on Monday for that very reason.  IIRC, they were on 'vacation'... 

Why wouldn't someone WANT to know why people are at the gate?   

The two security guards that were arrested later that week, did the police wait patiently for them to answer the door? 

just my humble opinions

Exactly!!!!!!  I was beginning to think I was alone with this.   Thank you.  I could not have and did not say it as well. 

[mariloo]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would! 

We have seen so much BS thrown at us, we could fertilize all of North America.  The seat may be something we can build upon for more observations.

So right.  I did not even know the seat was missing.

[Buckeye]

Whiskey

I also believe it would be normal to ask the police + into the house (if nothing else, so the neighbors wouldn't hear).  It would have been normal to call the kid and tell him to get home because the police wanted to talk to him.....unless, of course, you didn't want anyone in the house....and the kid needed more time...

[Slogger]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would! 

We have seen so much BS thrown at us, we could fertilize all of North America.  The seat may be something we can build upon for more observations.

So right.  I did not even know the seat was missing.

A wise Toad point it out the summer of '05.  There was a photo of it, iirc.

[mariloo]

Whiskey

I also believe it would be normal to ask the police + into the house (if nothing else, so the neighbors wouldn't hear).  It would have been normal to call the kid and tell him to get home because the police wanted to talk to him.....unless, of course, you didn't want anyone in the house....and the kid needed more time...

That is the way I felt.  Any normal parent would have brought the people in and said something like, "Let me get my shoes and hat and I will help you or let's call my son and get him home right away.  Instead, he tried to hide stooping down behind bushes.  What a coward he is.  That is why I feel so strongly he is the leader of the pack.

[Poochy]

Whiskey

I also believe it would be normal to ask the police + into the house (if nothing else, so the neighbors wouldn't hear).  It would have been normal to call the kid and tell him to get home because the police wanted to talk to him.....unless, of course, you didn't want anyone in the house....and the kid needed more time...

Didn't Valentijn post on the internet that night that there was a girl in his bathtub in the main house? The main house was blocked from being searched.

[mariloo]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would! 

We have seen so much BS thrown at us, we could fertilize all of North America.  The seat may be something we can build upon for more observations.

So right.  I did not even know the seat was missing.

A wise Toad point it out the summer of '05.  There was a photo of it, iirc.

Do you know if this vehicle was ever searched and where it may be now.  In the ocean?????

[mariloo]

Whiskey

I also believe it would be normal to ask the police + into the house (if nothing else, so the neighbors wouldn't hear).  It would have been normal to call the kid and tell him to get home because the police wanted to talk to him.....unless, of course, you didn't want anyone in the house....and the kid needed more time...

Didn't Valentijn post on the internet that night that there was a girl in his bathtub in the main house? The main house was blocked from being searched.

Oh boy!!!  Visiting Paulas or joran?

[klaasend]

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Thanks Buckeye and WJ!

[Slogger]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would! 

We have seen so much BS thrown at us, we could fertilize all of North America.  The seat may be something we can build upon for more observations.

So right.  I did not even know the seat was missing.

A wise Toad point it out the summer of '05.  There was a photo of it, iirc.

Do you know if this vehicle was ever searched and where it may be now.  In the ocean?????

It might have been towed around the middle of June.  I'm not sure the vehicles listed (as towed) are the correct vehicles.  (Pardon me, I am a doubter about much.)

Somewhere, there was a photo of a very (very) similar vehicle parked in a driveway.  I wonder what's with that!

[Nut44x4]

dead...in bathtub. I did not see the photo. I always doubted that story/rumor

[Blonde]

What picture are we looking for Jeep seat or cut up car?

[mariloo]

dead...in bathtub. I did not see the photo. I always doubted that story/rumor

Who is in the bathtub?  I am confoosed.   

[mariloo]

What picture are we looking for Jeep seat or cut up car?

How about both?  I have never seen either.  Thanks

[Edward]

Whiskey

I also believe it would be normal to ask the police + into the house (if nothing else, so the neighbors wouldn't hear).  It would have been normal to call the kid and tell him to get home because the police wanted to talk to him.....unless, of course, you didn't want anyone in the house....and the kid needed more time...

Didn't Valentijn post on the internet that night that there was a girl in his bathtub in the main house? The main house was blocked from being searched.

Oh boy!!!  Visiting Paulas or joran?

What is this ?? I have not seen this internet post..
Do you have a saved post or a link to it ?
T/A

[Slogger]

What picture are we looking for Jeep seat or cut up car?

An intact vehicle, SUV-type, white over red.  It looked remarkably like the Sloot vehicle, was parked in a driveway, close to a building with the rear of the car toward the camera.

[Blonde]

dead...in bathtub. I did not see the photo. I always doubted that story/rumor

Who is in the bathtub?  I am confoosed.   

#65, Brie,

Thanks so much. Boy we sure do have many people who “suddenly lost their cell phones”

Paulus
Sander and all….

Coincidence? Not!!!!

BTW, Brie, many here have posted about Valentijn staing he saw sleeping girl in his bath tub + etc…. Any truth to those comments on Valentijn’s sites???

Many thanks,

j4n!!!!!!

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[Edward]

Yes it looks like someone is bent over?

Apparently, it is amazing what you can do with one of those mail ordered blow up human dolls. They must take one along for those long cross water voyages..