Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[Blonde]

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[MumInOhio]

Caps -

If Urine did dismember Natalee, her remains are probably in the places where the group said they took her in their witness statements.  This would also be their cover up if they had been seen by people like the gardener and the jogger.  Rob and Carpe figured out several months ago that ALE had done a big switch on Deepak's Honda.  The car in ALE custody was different than Deepak's original Honda and it was missing some of the features that Deepak had added. Rob and Carpe spent days comparing photographs.  Did ALE make the Honda switch because they couldn't get the chocolate stains and lighter fluid out of Deepaks car?  Was Deepak's car used to transport the dismembered parts to various locations like the lrocks, Racquet Club, and fisherman's huts?  Where does the black SUV with Voking and Paulass's red jeep fit in or did they only become part of the event after Urine washed himself off in the pond?

SS...something was posted the last few days about Joran and Deepak both having cars...was this the jeep or was this the other grey car!  So many posts lately...I will never find it!

CC was told Joran's car...not Deepak's car...

[MumInOhio]

Sandy...Caps...Tranlator!!!  Thanks!
 
http://www.diario-aruba.com/200811194982/Local/Speculacion-na-Merca-relaciona-cu-testigo-nobo....Ministerio-Publico-lo-dicidi-na-december-of-januari-si-ta-persigui-of-no-Joran-van-der-Sloot.html


Speculacion na Merca relaciona cu testigo nobo!....Ministerio Publico lo dicidi na december of januari si ta persigui of no Joran van der Sloot
Wednesday, 19 November 2008 00:00 Local

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Relaciona cu e ultimo noticianan cu ta saliendo den medionan di comunicacion mericano caminda nan ta referi na un testigo nobo y evidencianan cu a bin dilanti den e caso di Natalee Holloway, DIARIO a tuma contacto ayeranochi cu Vocero di Ministerio Publico, Ann Angela pa asina haya sa kico Ministerio Publico di Aruba tin di bisa pa loke ta e ultimo desaroyonan den e caso aki.Ann Angela a duna di conoce cu e testigo cu prensa mericano ta mencionando y cu cual nan ta haciendo noticia cune, ta e persona cu Peter de Vries a menciona den su programa poco siman pasa. Kiermen no tin nada nobo den e caso aki, unicamente cu prensa mericano a descubri e programanan cu De Vries a pasa na Hulanda y esaki a bira noticia fresco na Merca.
 
E vocero di Ministerio Publico a laga sa cu despues di e di dos programa di Peter de Vries dos siman pasa, OM a haci un declaracion caminda nan ta bisa cu e testigo a worde scucha pa polis na Hulanda mas o menos un siman prome cu e programa a sali na aire. Esaki ta e testigo cu prensa Mericano ta referi na dje actualmente. Segun OM, relaciona cu e programa di Peter R. de Vries di 9 di November tocante desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, Ministerio Publico a habri e investigacion contra Joran van der Sloot di nobo na cuminzamento di 2008.

Meta di e investigacion tabata pa, cu material di prueba nobo, yega na establece si Joran a papia berdad den e grabacionnan cu De Vries a haci den secreto. Haya prueba nobo den un caso asina, cu tin tres aña caba ta worde investiga, ta hopi dificil. Peter R. de Vries varios biaha a pasa tips pa Ministerio Publico. Sinembargo, ningun di e tips ey a hiba na mas pruebanan. Algun tips ainda ta worde investiga.

Den e declaracion aki, Ministerio Publico ta señala cu nan a haya un declaracion di un testigo cu a bin padilanti tambe den e programa di De Vries di 9 di November. E declaracion di e testigo aki lo worde agrega na e dossier di e caso. E declaracion aki ta na desventaha di Joran, pero no ta duna claridad pa loke ta e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.

Ann Angela a agrega cu Ministerio Publico a cera e caso contra Joran van der Sloot dia 18 di December 2007 y a habrie entre Januari y Februari 2008 despues di e programa di De Vries.Peter de Vries a bin cu su di dos programa den cual e ta referi na un testigo nobo, cual ta esun cu prensa mericano ta papiando di dje na e momentonan aki.Segun Angela, prensa mericano a bin descubri e programa aki un tiki laat y awor nan tin esaki como un di nan noticianan principal. Esaki ta un di e motibonan cu prensa mericano a cuminza yama OM pa mas informacion.

A subraya cu intencion di Ministerio Publico ta pa na December of Januari yega na un decision riba si ta bay persegui Joran Van der Sloot of no. Mester tuma e decision si ta bay persiguie y hibe corte a base di tur e evidencianan nobo y informenan cu a bin dilanti.E PR di OM a bisa tambe cu mientras cu tin datonan nobo ta bin dilanti e caso ta bay keda habri, pero un cos si, mester dicidi kico ta bay haci dentro di poco.

[SS]

Good Morning Mum!




Caps - if you are around, could you please help us with where you think Urine put Natalee after he dismembered her?  The pond?  The fish cage?  The Sharks?  Where do DTKM, Voking, and Paulass fit into this scenario?  You said that there is a back road to the "shark" area.  How was Urine able to travel from the pond to that area, if the Alpoes had already left to deal with the drug transfer while Urine dismembered the corpse?  How does what you are telling us fit into what Greta said last night about Natalee being sold in Venezuela?  Is Greta's story another fairy tale like Patrick's story?  Was part of Natalee left by the fisherman's huts with the package that was destined for the cage?

SS...here is Caps post about the back road...Caps...I have questions...

Quote Caps...
This is though, but how long will it take to dismember a body complely?   when he was done, he left the place for a dip...where he lost one shoe...

The area that they did not search or dive was where they said that Natalee wanted to see the Sharks. and that is a little drive of the Light house.

Now from the pond via the back road comes out at the racket club. (google map) short drive.[/i]

So, as sick as this sounds, Natalee was taken to the lighthouse and like they said in the witness statements.... they didn't stay very long.

Who was the third person in Deepak's car when they were seen by the Racquet Club - Freddy?  Guido?

Gardener couldn't identify Satish, but did identify Joran...neither of those look like Joran to me...so would have to be another buddy, around the same size that looks like Joran..Pretty sure Freddy Martina couldn't be confused with him either, if he is indeed related to Karen.

Was the person who Deepak allowed to drive his car in this panic situation an experienced driver - maybe Paulass?  Paulass could look like his son in the dark.  Did someone stay behind at the Matty Apts. to help Urine?  Was that Freddy, Guido, or Lorenzo - maybe Voking?  Where did Urine do his surgery?  There had to be an awful lot of blood.  Is that why Rufo was called in the next day to clean the Matty Apts.?

[Blonde]

Gerold Dompig States in 48 Hours Interview that Radar System in Full-proof. REALLY?

Gerold Dompig during his CBS 48 Hours interview stated that experiments were done with dummies being thrown over board in the water; every time they drifted back to shore. The only way this would not occur was if a boat sailed more than two miles off shore. Dompig then stated, “a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape. Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished“.

Cruz says he and his team have tossed a dummy overboard many times, but that in every case, it drifted back to shore. The only way that wouldn’t happen is if a boat sailed more than two miles offshore — a trip that would have turned up on police radar and been captured on tape.

Police have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished.

That is quite a different story compared to the Amigoe article back in November 2005 entitled, “Radar-system not watertight”.

ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”

Which could explain why in November 2005, Aruba entered into a new contract with Raytheon. However, Dompig stated in his interview that the radar of the night of May 30, 2005 would “have accounted for every boat in the water the night Natalee vanished”. That seems to be disputed by the Amigoe article.

November 28, 2005: Raytheon Canada Wins Contract for Coastal Surveillance in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba

The system will enable the precision monitoring of marine traffic in the waters around the Dutch Caribbean. It will be used primarily for search and rescue and drug interdiction, but it will also help combat illegal
immigration.

Terma Radar Systems selected supplier of SCANTER 2001 Radar Systems for Netherlands Antilles

The prime contract was entered between Raytheon and the Royal Netherlands Navy in November 2005. The coastal surveillance system comprising eight Terma radars, two control centres and network equipment, will be delivered by mid-2006.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?

HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html


Amigoe
November 2005
"Radar System Not Watertight"

ORANJESTAD — The radar-system that monitors the coastline is not watertight. People still manage to enter Aruba illegally from sea. This was stated by the general commander of Warda nos Costa, Gerold Dompig. His statement challenges the words of Justice-minister Rudy Croes (MEP) who closed a lease contract for the radar equipment last year.

In June, July and August 2004 the radars were put into operation as a test. Vessels were placed out at sea to test the radar’s reach. The results were positive and the lease contract was signed till August 2007. A year later it becomes apparent that the radar’s efficiency is somewhat different in reality compared to the theoretical press presentation of Raytheon. Project coordinator Kelly confirms Dompig’s statement that high waves influence the efficiency of the radar. “The radar works well, but not during all types of weather. Heavy rainfall causes all kinds of spots on the screen, which makes it difficult to discern small boats. But, then again, no radar is full proof.”

www.amigoe.com/

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/28/gerold-dompig-states-in-48-hours-interview-that-radar-system-in-full-proof-really/

[MumInOhio]

come across speculacion at merca relaciona cu witness new!....ministerio publico will dicidi at december or january if is persigui or not joran van der sloot wednesday, 19 november 2008 00:00 local
 oranjestad (aan): relaciona cu the ultimo noticianan cu is saliendo in medionan of comunicacion mericano caminda they're referi at one witness new y evidencianan cu owing to come fast in the caso of natalee holloway, daily paper did take contacto last cu vocero of ministerio publico, ann angela for so achieve know kico ministerio publico of aruba have of tell for thing is the ultimo desaroyonan in the caso here.ann angela owing to give of conoce cu the witness cu prensa mericano is mencionando y cu cual they're haciendo news cune, is the person cu peter de vries owing to menciona in his declaration of policy some week happen. kiermen not have nothing new in the caso here, unicamente cu prensa mericano owing to descubri the programanan cu de vries owing to happen at the netherlands y this owing to become news fresco at merca. the vocero of ministerio publico owing to let know cu after of the of two declaration of policy of peter de vries two week happen, om owing to haci one declaracion caminda they're tell cu the witness owing to worde listen for police at the netherlands more or less one week first cu the declaration of policy owing to leave at air. this is the witness cu prensa mericano is referi at dje actualmente. according om, relaciona cu the declaration of policy of peter r. de vries of 9 of november tocante desaparicion of natalee holloway, ministerio publico owing to open the investigacion contra joran van der sloot of new at cuminzamento of 2008. aim of the investigacion was for, cu material of proof new, arrive at establece if joran owing to talk berdad in the grabacionnan cu de vries owing to haci in secreto. achieve proof new in one caso so, cu have three year end is worde investiga, is much dificil. peter r. de vries several trip owing to happen tips for ministerio publico. sinembargo, none of the tips ey owing to take away at more pruebanan. some tips still is worde investiga. in the declaracion here, ministerio publico is señala cu they owing to achieve one declaracion of one witness cu owing to come front also in the declaration of policy of de vries of 9 of november. the declaracion of the witness here will worde agrega at the dossier of the caso. the declaracion here is at desventaha of joran, but do not give claridad for thing is the desaparicion of natalee holloway. ann angela owing to agrega cu ministerio publico owing to close the caso contra joran van der sloot day 18 of december 2007 y owing to habrie among january y feburary 2008 after of the declaration of policy of de vries.peter de vries owing to come cu his of two declaration of policy in cual the is referi at one witness new, cual is esun cu prensa mericano is papiando of dje at the momentonan here.segun angela, prensa mericano owing to come descubri the declaration of policy here one bit late y now they have this because; one of they noticianan principal. this is one of the motibonan cu prensa mericano owing to cuminza calling om for more informacion. owing to subraya cu intencion of ministerio publico is for at december or january arrive at one decision on if is bay persegui joran van der sloot or not. have to take the decision if is bay persiguie y hibe corte owing to base of all the evidencianan new y informenan cu owing to come fast.e pr of om owing to tell also cu while cu have datonan new is come fast the caso is bay stay open, but anything if, have to dicidi kico is bay haci dentro of some. come across

 

[wreck]

Caps -

If Urine did dismember Natalee, her remains are probably in the places where the group said they took her in their witness statements.  This would also be their cover up if they had been seen by people like the gardener and the jogger.  Rob and Carpe figured out several months ago that ALE had done a big switch on Deepak's Honda.  The car in ALE custody was different than Deepak's original Honda and it was missing some of the features that Deepak had added. Rob and Carpe spent days comparing photographs.  Did ALE make the Honda switch because they couldn't get the chocolate stains and lighter fluid out of Deepaks car?  Was Deepak's car used to transport the dismembered parts to various locations like the lrocks, Racquet Club, and fisherman's huts?  Where does the black SUV with Voking and Paulass's red jeep fit in or did they only become part of the event after Urine washed himself off in the pond?

SS...something was posted the last few days about Joran and Deepak both having cars...was this the jeep or was this the other grey car!  So many posts lately...I will never find it!

CC was told Joran's car...not Deepak's car...

That has been my theory that Deepak's car actually BELONGS to Joran.

[SS]

Caps -

If Urine did dismember Natalee, her remains are probably in the places where the group said they took her in their witness statements.  This would also be their cover up if they had been seen by people like the gardener and the jogger.  Rob and Carpe figured out several months ago that ALE had done a big switch on Deepak's Honda.  The car in ALE custody was different than Deepak's original Honda and it was missing some of the features that Deepak had added. Rob and Carpe spent days comparing photographs.  Did ALE make the Honda switch because they couldn't get the chocolate stains and lighter fluid out of Deepaks car?  Was Deepak's car used to transport the dismembered parts to various locations like the lrocks, Racquet Club, and fisherman's huts?  Where does the black SUV with Voking and Paulass's red jeep fit in or did they only become part of the event after Urine washed himself off in the pond?

SS...something was posted the last few days about Joran and Deepak both having cars...was this the jeep or was this the other grey car!  So many posts lately...I will never find it!

CC was told Joran's car...not Deepak's car...

Didn't the gardener and the jogger identify the three in Deepak's Honda?

[Monken]

BLONDE, HOW DO I FIND THE LAST NAT CASE DISCUSSION THREAD?
AND DO ANYONE HERE KNOW WHAT INFO GRETA HAS FOR MONDAY NIGHT??

[MumInOhio]

Blonde Thanks...

SS...Val? Then who was on the computer?

Monken...I think if you just go to the Natalee Holloway section it should be there...stickied, I think!

[Monken]

Blonde Thanks...

SS...Val? Then who was on the computer?

Monken...I think if you just go to the Natalee Holloway section it should be there...stickied, I think!

I'll look again, Thanks, Mum!

[MumInOhio]

BLONDE, HOW DO I FIND THE LAST NAT CASE DISCUSSION THREAD?
AND DO ANYONE HERE KNOW WHAT INFO GRETA HAS FOR MONDAY NIGHT??

Archives

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.0

[Lala'sMom]

I wonder how DeVries is going to feel when they ask for his Emmy back?  After all, if Natalee was sold in sex slavery then his work is bogus and Joran has thrown wine in his face once again.  Boy, this story is getting more bizarre by the minute.

You know, if Greta is really going to prove Joran sold her, then it sure goes in the face of evidence, doesn't it?  Not that we have much evidence, but it would certainly make any and all that has ever been said is totally moot at this point.   Wonder how that explains the seizure?  The witnesses that have passed polygraphs?  The ATM withdrawals?  van der Straaten saying he had seen the evidence?  I could  go on and on. 

Hmmmmm.

[Lala'sMom]

Of course, if Paulus was making profit off human trafficking then that could get interesting and would certainly explain why nothing was done in this case.  He really did know where the skeletons were buried. 

I wonder what Joran really said?  I wonder what Greta thinks now that Joran is missing in action?  Better yet, how does she think Mos could arrest him if he is nowhere to be found?  Am I the only person that is thinking of these things?

[Lala'sMom]

Why do I get the feeling I am talking to myself?   

[bleachedblack]

Klaas, I found a name do you have a pic of Jules Sambo?  The last name popped in my head earlier when I was trying to place that face.

 

[MumInOhio]

Why do I get the feeling I am talking to myself?   

Morning Lala's...I was in another thread that I know better than to be in....

Thinking on your posts...especially Peter deVries...I wonder how many times Joran is gong to fall for his "Stings" honor roll tudent and all!

[BUCKSHOT]

I wonder how DeVries is going to feel when they ask for his Emmy back?  After all, if Natalee was sold in sex slavery then his work is bogus and Joran has thrown wine in his face once again.  Boy, this story is getting more bizarre by the minute.

You know, if Greta is really going to prove Joran sold her, then it sure goes in the face of evidence, doesn't it?  Not that we have much evidence, but it would certainly make any and all that has ever been said is totally moot at this point.   Wonder how that explains the seizure?  The witnesses that have passed polygraphs?  The ATM withdrawals?  van der Straaten saying he had seen the evidence?  I could  go on and on. 

Hmmmmm.

Just another un-provable story to be told.
He could say that she was abducted and taken to Area 51 if he felt like it that day.
Who is going to prove otherwise - Hans Mos?
He's too busy to work on the case. He has a vacation coming up.

[MumInOhio]

Klaas, I found a name do you have a pic of Jules Sambo?  The last name popped in my head earlier when I was trying to place that face.

 

Anyone remember the post about "Ask Sambo"? Rob...I remember I confused Sambo with Campo...Am I doing the same thing again?

[johan555]

Sandy...Caps...Tranlator!!!  Thanks!
 
http://www.diario-aruba.com/200811194982/Local/Speculacion-na-Merca-relaciona-cu-testigo-nobo....Ministerio-Publico-lo-dicidi-na-december-of-januari-si-ta-persigui-of-no-Joran-van-der-Sloot.html


Speculacion na Merca relaciona cu testigo nobo!....Ministerio Publico lo dicidi na december of januari si ta persigui of no Joran van der Sloot
Wednesday, 19 November 2008 00:00 Local

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Relaciona cu e ultimo noticianan cu ta saliendo den medionan di comunicacion mericano caminda nan ta referi na un testigo nobo y evidencianan cu a bin dilanti den e caso di Natalee Holloway, DIARIO a tuma contacto ayeranochi cu Vocero di Ministerio Publico, Ann Angela pa asina haya sa kico Ministerio Publico di Aruba tin di bisa pa loke ta e ultimo desaroyonan den e caso aki.Ann Angela a duna di conoce cu e testigo cu prensa mericano ta mencionando y cu cual nan ta haciendo noticia cune, ta e persona cu Peter de Vries a menciona den su programa poco siman pasa. Kiermen no tin nada nobo den e caso aki, unicamente cu prensa mericano a descubri e programanan cu De Vries a pasa na Hulanda y esaki a bira noticia fresco na Merca.
 
E vocero di Ministerio Publico a laga sa cu despues di e di dos programa di Peter de Vries dos siman pasa, OM a haci un declaracion caminda nan ta bisa cu e testigo a worde scucha pa polis na Hulanda mas o menos un siman prome cu e programa a sali na aire. Esaki ta e testigo cu prensa Mericano ta referi na dje actualmente. Segun OM, relaciona cu e programa di Peter R. de Vries di 9 di November tocante desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, Ministerio Publico a habri e investigacion contra Joran van der Sloot di nobo na cuminzamento di 2008.

Meta di e investigacion tabata pa, cu material di prueba nobo, yega na establece si Joran a papia berdad den e grabacionnan cu De Vries a haci den secreto. Haya prueba nobo den un caso asina, cu tin tres aña caba ta worde investiga, ta hopi dificil. Peter R. de Vries varios biaha a pasa tips pa Ministerio Publico. Sinembargo, ningun di e tips ey a hiba na mas pruebanan. Algun tips ainda ta worde investiga.

Den e declaracion aki, Ministerio Publico ta señala cu nan a haya un declaracion di un testigo cu a bin padilanti tambe den e programa di De Vries di 9 di November. E declaracion di e testigo aki lo worde agrega na e dossier di e caso. E declaracion aki ta na desventaha di Joran, pero no ta duna claridad pa loke ta e desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.

Ann Angela a agrega cu Ministerio Publico a cera e caso contra Joran van der Sloot dia 18 di December 2007 y a habrie entre Januari y Februari 2008 despues di e programa di De Vries.Peter de Vries a bin cu su di dos programa den cual e ta referi na un testigo nobo, cual ta esun cu prensa mericano ta papiando di dje na e momentonan aki.Segun Angela, prensa mericano a bin descubri e programa aki un tiki laat y awor nan tin esaki como un di nan noticianan principal. Esaki ta un di e motibonan cu prensa mericano a cuminza yama OM pa mas informacion.

A subraya cu intencion di Ministerio Publico ta pa na December of Januari yega na un decision riba si ta bay persegui Joran Van der Sloot of no. Mester tuma e decision si ta bay persiguie y hibe corte a base di tur e evidencianan nobo y informenan cu a bin dilanti.E PR di OM a bisa tambe cu mientras cu tin datonan nobo ta bin dilanti e caso ta bay keda habri, pero un cos si, mester dicidi kico ta bay haci dentro di poco.

oeps you have it  lol