Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19/08 to 11/21/08

[blah]

Does someone have a link to the latest Greta video people are talking about?

[johan555]

a slander campaign

Gielen with her  Misinfo again  

This week in Nieuwe Revu ( dutch magazine )

[Blonde]

Andre dos Santos

Was andre also in the casino that evening ?

PROCES – VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head agent and agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba, explain the following:

On June 20 2005, around 17:15, we interrogated and took a statement as a witness from the man called:

Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,
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On your question if I on Sunday, May 29 2005, met Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.

On Sunday, May 29, 2005 in the evening hours, after the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament at the Excelsior casino I ran into “Elvis KELLY ", and his wife "Gladys”, and we all got into my fathers pickup and drove away. My father acted as a driver for our two passengers in his green pickup of the make Ford Ranger, license plate number "A-23793". We drove first to Wendy's Palm Beach to buy food, and after we had eaten, my father dropped off Elvis and Gladys at their home. Elvis and Gladys live in Noord. I don’t know their address, but I can designate to you their house. After we dropped Elvis and wife off at their home, my father and I went home. I no longer remember what time we got home. I studied first and afterwards slept because I had a "physics" examination to take on Monday, May 30, 2005, from 07.30 till 10.00. I do recall that Joran asked me if I wanted to accompany him to Carlos & Charlies, but I answered him that I could not go because I had an examination the next day.

On your question if on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the nightly hours, after I went to sleep, anyone woke me or called me: I will answer you no.

On Monday, May 30 2005, in the morning hours, my mother wakened me because I had to leave to take my examination. I must say that my sister "Alessandra" and my younger brother "Arthur" went with me in my father’s pickup to school.

On your question if I met Joran, Deepak or Satish on Monday, May 30, 2005, I answer you the following:
According to me, on Monday, May 30, 2005, in the afternoon hours, Joran sent me a message from his cell phone. Setar GSM provided with the number "5xxxxxx" me reported on my mobile telephone. Setar GSM provide with the number "5xxxxxx". According to me Joran me sent me a message with the question if I wanted to go to the Casa Blanco casino at the Wyndham that night. I did not answer Joran because when the message came I was sleeping.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”. My father has the mobile telephone number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel. I can no longer remember how Joran was dressed when he walked into the casino. I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament stared. I saw that Joran played blackjack during this time. When I started the tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrived at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed. I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside. When Joran and Guido left I was still in the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament. I estimate that it was approximately 30 or 40 minutes after Joran and Guido left the Casa Blanca casino that I was eliminated from the poker tournament. After I was eliminated, I called Guido and/or Joran on their mobile telephone. Guido has the mobile telephone with the number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran and/or Guido where they were, they told me they were at the casino at the Radisson hotel and would wait for me there. I told them that I would be there later. Approximately 30 minutes after I had spoken with Joran and/or Guido, I left the casino at the Wyndham hotel and walked to the casino at the Radisson hotel. I estimate that the complete route lasted 10 minutes. I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold 'em poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw Deepak walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400, and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom, but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play blackjack at a casino in Oranjestad.

They did not tell me to which casino they would go. After Deepak and Joran were gone "Guido WEAVER" and I went home. On your question if Joran and Deepak spoke of picking up shoes while in the casino of the Radisson hotel, I answer you no. At absolutely no moment did I hear this. However, I must say that Joran and Deepak did not speak in my presence with each other, other than when Joran cashed in his chips, but I was standing at a distance when they spoke with each other. I no longer remember if Guido was with them at that time.

On your question if I had Tuesday, May 31, 2005 and on Wednesday, June 01, 2005, contact with Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following: According to me I had called Joran on of these two days to ask him what he would be doing. You can look in my phone records to see when I called Joran, or he called me, because I no longer remember when. I had no telephone contact with Deepak and Satish.

A day before Joran was apprehended by you, I met Joran around 19.00, at the Aruba Raquet club. I asked Joran how he felt and he told me that he felt calm because the 2 security guards had been apprehended by the police force. Joran me asked what I would do the next day because he wanted to practice basketball and further that I was invited the next evening to his Graduation Night. This was the last time that I spoke with Joran.

[Blonde]

Yes it looks like someone is bent over?

[bastibro]

Does someone have a link to the latest Greta video people are talking about?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9ErLVCnzZQ0

[mariloo]

Oh. Mariloo I think I can help with that scenario. What you saw is not 2 AM Tuesday morning, about 24 hours after Natalee was disappeared, in the dead of night, with copcars and Alabamans all around.

I think you've viewed a different scene video'd by FOX some later daytime, in broad daylight, when Beth and Greta went by I think maybe about a week later, maybe two. That may be earlier of the same day that Beth learned that Paul was now claiming to have picked Joran up "at 11 PM" to her surprise, instead of 4 AM like she had in her notes.

The morning Paul was arrested Beth ran into one of the two cops who'd been with the group the night of her arrival, who confirmed that 4 AM is what he'd heard, also. That polisman's statement from that night hasn't shown up YET in the case history, for all I know.

Finally made it home.  I remember many people at the gate.  Beth was standing back.  Two policemen were at the gate and Paulas was on the other side.  I don;t remember who else was on the side with pvds.  I thought and now you have confused my memory.  I will have to go way back and search.  My computer crashed back then and I almost had a hissy fit.  I lost a lot of information.  Almost all of my posts from way back then.  I don't think this was two weeks later.  I believe this was the next day because Beth said something about being too late.  That broke my heart.  I remember this because I thought, "now why does she think that because she just got there.  Anyway, we all know who is the main guilty party.  I always thought Natalee was there at pvds house when the police first arrived and maybe that is why he refused to let anyone in.  Anita did not get there till the next day or so. I cannot remember for sure what day she arrived, the next day or the next.  I believe all the activity at the house was getting rid of any evidence.  I never believed they put Natalee in the well so I am not sure why they could not search there. 

[blah]

Does someone have a link to the latest Greta video people are talking about?

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=9ErLVCnzZQ0

thanks

[mariloo]

Yes it looks like someone is bent over?

It looks like a white chair or something under the "body". 

[2NJSons_Mom]

blah, long time no see.

[texasmom]

[Blonde]

I took my own screen shot it's the life preserver 

[wreck]

I took my own screen shot it's the life preserver 

That is what I thought all along -- but everyone made me look again and "see things"! I think it is the Life preserver too. 

[Blonde]

VMS thanks for that link I had lost it.

[mariloo]

I took my own screen shot it's the life preserver 

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Now, that is funny.

[mariloo]

I want to know more about the tennis shoe in the cage.  Did anyone try to look into that?

[Slogger]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

[Blonde]

IMO only, this cage looks like it's been in the water 10+ years I never saw a tennis shoe.

[Magnolia]

Take a look at this picture again and tell me if you all see a body (i have it circled):

Look at the distance from shore in this picture as compared
to the one Kermit posted with the Hotels in the background.
Those are houses in the background of this picture.
It is not the same location.
This picture if off from the Fishermen's Huts, I think.

[Buckeye]

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[bastibro]

Corroboration:


If the information of the pond witness having passed 2 polygraphs is accurate (I believe it is) then it makes way for the information about the missing (red vehicle) seat in Paulus’ car.

Joran was seen in the passenger seat and Paulus was identified as the driver; they were cruising slowly down the street as though looking for something.  The passenger seat would be a mess of muck, and possibly blood.  Good reason to get rid of the seat.

If the excuse is used that another seat was ordered . . . people don’t usually remove an old seat before replacing with new one.  Only special circumstances would require removal.

Looks like the missing seat in Paulus’ vehicle could corroborate the pond witness’s information.

WOW, that sure would!