Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru 11/23/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

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JUSTICE FOR NATALEE

[hotping]

WOW! I sure hope Kermit is Right!   

[San]

SS...I am having to leave soon...if vms isn't here, can you please post the John Charles Croes pics in the new thread...

Would love to know who else he is related to?

Thanks in Advance!

[Keepthefaith]

Edward.I'm not understanding how this correlates with Joran's Hitler statement???Just his,as well as Paulus state of mind??What would Joran be hinting at??

[Edward]

I hope for Greta also.

[Blonde]

Just wanted to post regarding K's reluctance to identify persons in photo's.  This I can understand but felt that a suggestion could be made to him that he could privately email either klaas or blonde to make identifications, which would decrease wasted time by our Moderator's on behalf of posters & the Mod's could then base the identifications on a reliable poster, not identified by either name or nic.

I just wanted to post regarding K's reluctance to identify persons in photo's.  IMO This crew was too trusting and did not know ALE as well as we do and some things were done to  compromised the evidence.
I have asked K to idenify the man in the green shirt my email is in my profile.

[johan555]

The Fourth Empire was in Venezuela and Aruba, the Dutch were expelled SS'ers to Aruba where they were interrogated by the police.

[Magnolia]

I'll bet that Francis is the brother of Charles Croes.

John Charles is the nephew of the American traitor, Charles Croes.

[bastibro]

Gielen Exposed tonight on Dutch talkshow 

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=LVdusm9TUdQ

Peter says that Gielen is a scandalous woman, to insinuate that Beth has a hand in Natalee`s dissapearance. She`s totally insane, he insists.
She must have had a sunstroke in Aruba, he says.

[MumInOhio]

I'll bet that Francis is the brother of Charles Croes.

John Charles is the nephew of the American traitor, Charles Croes.

I wonder...Thanks San

Links vms found on the family...

CITY, STATE   AVAILABLE INFORMATION   POSSIBLE RELATIVES
CROES, FREYA E (Age 50)

       DORAL, FL               CROES, JOHN C (Age 25)
        CROES, BRENTON T (Age 22)
        CROES, CHARLES F (Age 49)
        CROES, CHARINE J (Age 22)
        CROES, ROXANNE L

 
 
These are the relatives of John Charles Croes. Doral Florida.

All the ALE reports for John Charles Croes are in Aruba and his Hard Drive went to Holland.

This Charine’s grandparents are Carlos Croes and the grandmother is Croes-Eman

  1.    PDF]
09-01--2008 Body 2.indd   
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Roxanne Croes –. Paradera 117-C. 45. Emily Williams – Caya. Frere Arnold 3. 46. Kevin Arends –. Hooiberg 92-B. 47. Valentino Koolman –. Santa Cruz 222 ...
solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid= 362 - Similar pages
 
 
Brenton Croes
http://bcloves.spaces.live.com/
 
Charine Croes Family pics here.
http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=134
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=199.msg34106#msg34106
 
Reply #926 on: August 12, 2006, 10:12:04 PM »   
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Quote from: "klaasend"
Quote from: "San"
Quote from: "klaasend"
Here is Charine Croes tickle site.  I need to look through her friends still and see if John Charles is there:

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=Sop5SEfmD7ZSVx1s

Is this girl related to Charles Croes?  She looks like him a little.

If you look through her photos she has a photo of her dad..not Charles Croes.  She does have a photo of her Uncle though that "could be" Charles Croes...not sure though:
 
LINKS

http://cs01.ewedding.com/v30/main.php?a=arscjc18
 
Charine's facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Charine-Croes/773945439
 
John's facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Croes/1528686140
 
Charine's myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=38092112

[johan555]

Gielen Exposed tonight on Dutch talkshow 

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=LVdusm9TUdQ

Peter says that Gielen is a scandalous woman, to insinuate that Beth has a hand in Natalee`s dissapearance. She`s totally insane, he insists.
She must have had a sunstroke in Aruba, he says.

Thanks Bastibro !!! toppie !!!

[Blonde]

Thank you SAN for the crispy treat. Here's more for you cuz you're special

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.
I SEE A SKULL

BUT some people speculate that Tim Tehran gave a thumbs down, meaning it isn't a skull
and not human remains.

What you can't see is immediately before Tim approached the trap opening, a large skate stirred up sediment reducing visibility.The quick signal came because the dive time was nearly up .
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.280


TIM MILLER: We felt there was a skull in there.....
48 seconds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CFkZzKBviM


Greta van Susteren: "HANS MOS IS A LIAR."


INTERNAL INVESTIGATION WILL EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION,  VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL SECURITIES LAWS & ARUBA COVER-UP!
Hans Mos
Dolph Richardson

AMERICAN TRAITORS!
John Silvetti
Louis Schafer


Superior Offshore provides subsea construction and commercial diving services to the
crude oil


Are the Fabrications to mis-lead you orchestrated by American Traitor?

transform Superior Offshore into a world-class subsea construction and
services



ARUBA HAS PLANS TO BUILD A PIPELINE FROM
VENEZUELA TO THEIR ISLAND TO CARRY NATURAL GAS WITHIN
ABOUT 3 YEARS
ON JUNE 8 THERE IS AN ARTICLE IN THE PRESS ABOUT THEY WILL BE BUILDING A PIPELINE TO THE ISLAND OF ARUBA
793 on: June 08, 2008, 12:27:49 PM caesu
Gas from Colombia for the production of electricity and water 
an article on it
http://www.amigoe.com/english



SCHAFER IS REORGANIZING HIS COMPANY, SELLING OFF ALL OF HIS ASSETS, AND THEN RENEGOTIATING LEASING THEM
FROM THE COMPANIES THAT BUY THEM
http://tinyurl.com/6m74rp


SCHAFER ANNOUNCED BANKRUPTCY UNDER 'A VOLUNTARY PETITION AND THAT THE COMPANY WILL OPERATE
ITS BUSINESS AS A DEBTOR-IN-POSSESSION,which would indicate he is remaining in the business
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080425/laf521.html?.v=2


John Silvetti, Lafayette, LA 70508

John S. distributes APS Sonavision sonars in the Gulf ,APS LLC focuses specifically on the navigation and sonar needs of the oil and gas industry.



On the next morning (December 19), I boarded The Persistence along with Louis Schaffer and Tim Miller and remained aboard for the next 24 hours
http://forensicthoughtprints.com/aruba/default.html

DECEMBER 29 THEY SEND A ROV DOWN, TIM MILLER SAID IT LOOKED
LIKE A SKULL

TIM IS SENT HOME ON DECEMBER 30


Three days after the OM made his announcement about what was found, they are crying broke!


APRIL 20, 2007, Superior Offshore and Company insiders sold over 10 million shares of common stock to the public, raising gross proceeds in excess of $152 million







private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

[vms]

I'll bet that Francis is the brother of Charles Croes.

John Charles is the nephew of the American traitor, Charles Croes.

I don't think so because his name is Charles Francis.

[Blonde]

YOU GUY'S KNOW I CAN'T STOP UNTIL I HAVE ANSWERS THAT SATISFY ME RIGHT 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Edward.I'm not understanding how this correlates with Joran's Hitler statement???Just his,as well as Paulus state of mind??What would Joran be hinting at??

I'm not Edward, but I'll add my two cents based on wisdom gained during a lifetime and since following the NH case.

It is my understanding, the Dutch, in general, did not like the Nazi's.  The Nazi's took all the bicycles during the war and did not give them back.  They also starved the population, and from the stories I heard as a child, the Dutch were forced to eat their beloved tulip bulbs to survive (some have suggested that is not true...).

Some have suggested the Nazi comment was the brainchild of PVDS/JVDS to make the Arubans and the Dutch dislike Beth and the Americans.  And, to portray the family of Natalee Holloway as racists.

From the Vanity Fair article -

"This latest story [came] when he saw the other guys, the Kalpoes, were kind of finger-pointing in his direction, and he wanted to screw them also, by saying he was dropped off," Dompig says. "But that story doesn't check out at all. He just wanted to screw Deepak. They had great arguments about this in front of the judge. Because their stories didn't match. This girl, she was from Alabama, she's not going to stay in the car with two black kids. We believe the second story, that they were dropped off by the Marriott. But then the time line [Joran has given] starts to get into trouble."

In my experience, every culture, nation, group--has their own concept of color and race and ethnic slotting.  I don't think the people from Alabama or from my state "Wisconsin" would consider the Kalpoes as "black".  However, I believe in some places, all darker skinned people, those not lily white are considered black.  Just a different way of slotting the human race.

The topic of race and Nazi was much discussed early in the case.

fab
so they do not treat dutch from curacao different
when they go to holland ?
your rigth im not alloctoon living in holland

But you see I think there is raceism everywere even in aruba to deny it would be living in glass closet.

so if you guys think everything is dandy in holland Ill have to take your word for it.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:03:25 AM

I guess the in burgeringwet is not raceism and dicrimination.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:05:05 AM

Im just saying that before we start critizing other countries we should look at ourselves, writing the color of the skin on birthcirtificates is wrong as inburgeringswet.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:12:20 AM

Do you have "color" written" on the birth certificates? ...is this in USA? What do they write for people of mixed races?

Posted by: Natalya | Sep 6, 2005 11:15:25 AM

Either your Asian, Latino, Caucasian or black.

I know one case where a baby was born. The Father was black and the father White. The baby das a bit of a color and they put BLACK on his certificate.
SImply for the fact that he had dark coloured skin. It did't even matter that the mother was 100% white female.

Posted by: Fab | Sep 6, 2005 11:19:27 AM

old RWV link - http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/09/natalee_hollowa_11.html

jmho

[bastibro]

YOU GUY'S KNOW I CAN'T STOP UNTIL I HAVE ANSWERS THAT SATISFY ME RIGHT 

I did get that impression Blonde Youre GREAT!

[Edward]

Joran is a Moron.. 
He has been lucky and I am sure he rolls his fathers eyes all the time.

The mindset of a Nazi is a political thought..
Paulus religion ? He is an atheist.
The Nazis said they " killed God.. With that thought.. If You had that mindset, that kind of thinking pattern would have no concern for killing OTHERS. Like Natalee
and So, It is..
jmho

[johan555]

78  video's  on you tube Bastibro ? oeps 

http://nl.youtube.com/profile?user=Justice4Natalee&view=videos

[bastibro]

78  video's  on you tube Bastibro ? oeps 

http://nl.youtube.com/profile?user=Justice4Natalee&view=videos

yeah, as if i have nothing to do

[Keepthefaith]

Edward.I'm not understanding how this correlates with Joran's Hitler statement???Just his,as well as Paulus state of mind??What would Joran be hinting at??

I'm not Edward, but I'll add my two cents based on wisdom gained during a lifetime and since following the NH case.

It is my understanding, the Dutch, in general, did not like the Nazi's.  The Nazi's took all the bicycles during the war and did not give them back.  They also starved the population, and from the stories I heard as a child, the Dutch were forced to eat their beloved tulip bulbs to survive (some have suggested that is not true...).

Some have suggested the Nazi comment was the brainchild of PVDS/JVDS to make the Arubans and the Dutch dislike Beth and the Americans.  And, to portray the family of Natalee Holloway as racists.

From the Vanity Fair article -

"This latest story [came] when he saw the other guys, the Kalpoes, were kind of finger-pointing in his direction, and he wanted to screw them also, by saying he was dropped off," Dompig says. "But that story doesn't check out at all. He just wanted to screw Deepak. They had great arguments about this in front of the judge. Because their stories didn't match. This girl, she was from Alabama, she's not going to stay in the car with two black kids. We believe the second story, that they were dropped off by the Marriott. But then the time line [Joran has given] starts to get into trouble."

In my experience, every culture, nation, group--has their own concept of color and race and ethnic slotting.  I don't think the people from Alabama or from my state "Wisconsin" would consider the Kalpoes as "black".  However, I believe in some places, all darker skinned people, those not lily white are considered black.  Just a different way of slotting the human race.

The topic of race and Nazi was much discussed early in the case.

fab
so they do not treat dutch from curacao different
when they go to holland ?
your rigth im not alloctoon living in holland

But you see I think there is raceism everywere even in aruba to deny it would be living in glass closet.

so if you guys think everything is dandy in holland Ill have to take your word for it.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:03:25 AM

I guess the in burgeringwet is not raceism and dicrimination.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:05:05 AM

Im just saying that before we start critizing other countries we should look at ourselves, writing the color of the skin on birthcirtificates is wrong as inburgeringswet.

Posted by: maria | Sep 6, 2005 11:12:20 AM

Do you have "color" written" on the birth certificates? ...is this in USA? What do they write for people of mixed races?

Posted by: Natalya | Sep 6, 2005 11:15:25 AM

Either your Asian, Latino, Caucasian or black.

I know one case where a baby was born. The Father was black and the father White. The baby das a bit of a color and they put BLACK on his certificate.
SImply for the fact that he had dark coloured skin. It did't even matter that the mother was 100% white female.

Posted by: Fab | Sep 6, 2005 11:19:27 AM

old RWV link - http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/09/natalee_hollowa_11.html

jmho

So was the statement from Joran about "Hitler" of his own doing,and or Paulus or someone else???I personally don't think Joran is that smart to divide and conquer.That would have to come from someone with a bit more knowledge of history.
Thanx WhiskeyGirl.