Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru 11/23/08

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_49617.php

Court must stay in Curacao
21 Nov, 2008, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

 
WILLEMSTAD – The seat of the future court of justice of the Kingdom countries in the Caribbean must stay in Curacao.  This is the position of the Island-territory of Curacao, confirmed Commissioner Zita Jesus-Leito (General Affairs, PAR) during the weekly press conference of the BC yesterday.

There is currently an impasse regarding the future seat of the Common Court of Justice for Curacao, Aruba, St. Maarten, and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba.  In the concept-consensus statutory law Common Court of Justice that was handled in the Island Council on Friday morning is stated that the seat of the Court will be in Curacao.  Aruba is resisting this saying that she will not approve the consensus-statutory-law.  She is of the opinion that considering the fact that the Land Aruba is much longer in existence than the new countries in the Kingdom, Aruba must get that seat.

According to Jesus-Leito, Curacao insists that the seat of the Common Court of Justice for Curacao, Aruba, St. Maarten, and of Bonaire, St. Eustatius, and Saba remains in Curacao.  “Considering the fact that the current court is seated in Curacao for years already and that through the years we have built up the infrastructure and personnel, while also the Public Prosecutor is established here, we think that it is best for the Court to remain here in Curacao.  We firmly back this position”, says the commissioner, who doesn’t expect this to be a stop for the current political process.  “We do not consider this an issue.”



 

[GrannyToad]

83 year old Oscar Wyatt was let out of prison last year to a halfway house in, I think, Houston, on good behavior.

[MuffyBee]

83 year old Oscar Wyatt was let out of prison last year to a halfway house in, I think, Houston, on good behavior.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WEBCAM_SUICIDE?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Texas oilman Wyatt finishes prison sentence at home
Associated Press - October 28, 2008 3:35 AM ET

HOUSTON (AP) - Lawyers for a Texas oil executive say he's finishing up his prison sentence at home, after being transferred from a halfway house.

An attorney says 84-year-old Oscar Wyatt Jr. began serving the final stint of his sentence at home last week.

Wyatt was sentenced to year and a day in prison for approving the payment of millions of dollars in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's Iraq regime. Besides the prison sentence, he agreed to forfeit $11 million.

He pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to make illegal payments for Iraqi oil. In pleading guilty, he acknowledged he had orchestrated a $200,000 payment to Hussein's government.

Prison officials say Wyatt is due to be released Nov. 15 and they say his sentence has been trimmed because of good behavior.

Wyatt was transferred on Sept. 22 from a minimum-security federal prison to a halfway house in downtown Houston.

[wreck]

83 year old Oscar Wyatt was let out of prison last year to a halfway house in, I think, Houston, on good behavior.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WEBCAM_SUICIDE?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Texas oilman Wyatt finishes prison sentence at home
Associated Press - October 28, 2008 3:35 AM ET

HOUSTON (AP) - Lawyers for a Texas oil executive say he's finishing up his prison sentence at home, after being transferred from a halfway house.

An attorney says 84-year-old Oscar Wyatt Jr. began serving the final stint of his sentence at home last week.

Wyatt was sentenced to year and a day in prison for approving the payment of millions of dollars in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's Iraq regime. Besides the prison sentence, he agreed to forfeit $11 million.

He pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to make illegal payments for Iraqi oil. In pleading guilty, he acknowledged he had orchestrated a $200,000 payment to Hussein's government.

Prison officials say Wyatt is due to be released Nov. 15 and they say his sentence has been trimmed because of good behavior.

Wyatt was transferred on Sept. 22 from a minimum-security federal prison to a halfway house in downtown Houston.

I bet he makes a bee-line to the massage parlor.   

[texasmom]

Ok, playlike this huge, heavy trap that had been in the ocean was used as a drop off for drugs, then the boys killed Nat, how in the hooty hell did they get her in the trap, how do they put drugs in the trap for a drop???? 

Natalee was NOT put in the trap by "the boys." She was put there by a "bigger boat" days/weeks later.

I will repost my theory from February '08 again:



Quote from: wreck on Today at 03:20:36 PM
I'm going to dig a bigger hole for myself as I think few are following what I'm saying.
1) The Persistence in all likelihood has found Natalee in the trap.
2) They really did not want to expose this just yet. Why? Because they still need to "prove"
the "whys" and "hows". They have a better chance of accomplishing this if the actual "perps"
aren't "clued in."
3) Why the "Dateline" irregularities? Because "Dateline" was already on board and they had to
 keep up "appearances" so they could continue with their "plan."
4) The posting of the pics on the internet put a severe cramp in their plans.
5) Why is trap so big? Because the body disposal did not happen that night as in Joran's story.
 Her body was put there at least a few days later by a bigger boat involving a larger cover-up.
This why they did not reveal their "finding" yet. They want to find out who has that bigger boat.

Once again -- my opinion.

We have waited 3 years -- hold on -- we're almost there!


~~~~~~ (Ocean Explorer:
I also pray that you are right!  Wreck, I like the way you think. 
Wreck, then what are your thoughts on Mos's press release about the FBI results?

Don't know - don't care what Mos says or does. I trusted him up until Thanksgiving time. Never again.

trainwreck .gif = 

1. Yes.
2. Cover-up, corruption, securities fraud.

Thank you Kermit!   

[texasmom]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.780

Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 18, 2008

Quote from: Magnolia on March 18, 2008, 02:13:08 PM

This was posted by gagal at RU back when the photo's first
were put up at BNH.  gagal was speaking for Robin.
Kyle already told us that the FBI sent the pictures to Dave & Robin.
Gagal was replying to Heli who questioned the motives of Robin.

Did the FBI give Dave and Robin the probability statistic?

I'm not about to attest to your intelligent level or anyone else's. WHAT I do know however is that theses photos were very upsetting to Robin and Dave.. you may see just a trap on the bottom of the floor, but what they saw was the possibility of a "99% probability" this was Natalee.

Response quote from oceanexploration March 18, 2008, 03:04:38 PM

The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap.   I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day.  I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at.  My heart broke for Dave and Beth.

Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th.  I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti.  In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive. It was a crushing dissapointment the evening of Dec 30th, but not over.  The tactile inspection dive was coming. Dec 30th, 2007 will forever stand in my mind as one of the hardest single days of my life.

[wreck]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.780

Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -  on: March 18, 2008

Quote from: Magnolia on March 18, 2008, 02:13:08 PM

This was posted by gagal at RU back when the photo's first
were put up at BNH.  gagal was speaking for Robin.
Kyle already told us that the FBI sent the pictures to Dave & Robin.
Gagal was replying to Heli who questioned the motives of Robin.

Did the FBI give Dave and Robin the probability statistic?

I'm not about to attest to your intelligent level or anyone else's. WHAT I do know however is that theses photos were very upsetting to Robin and Dave.. you may see just a trap on the bottom of the floor, but what they saw was the possibility of a "99% probability" this was Natalee.

Response quote from oceanexploration March 18, 2008, 03:04:38 PM

The "99.9%" came independantly from Tim Miller to Dave H. on Dec 29th, prior to the diver visual inspection of the trap.   I can't imagine what that must have felt like to be told and then completely retracted the next day.  I couldn't believe the information was prematurely leaked to the family before we knew what we were looking at.  My heart broke for Dave and Beth.

Personally, I fed off of Tim's inflated confidence and my own on the night of Dec 29th.  I did not sleep. Few of us did. The only person able to remain completely objective, much to his credit, was John Silvetti.  In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive. It was a crushing dissapointment the evening of Dec 30th, but not over.  The tactile inspection dive was coming. Dec 30th, 2007 will forever stand in my mind as one of the hardest single days of my life.

Wow! Kind of makes you go "hmmmmmm" after Kermit's revelations.

[Blonde]

Hope4N Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:36 pm

I am going to respond here and know everything I say gets torn to shreds and misinterpreted. If Natalee is in the water and anything is findable, we are grateful these volunteers are going to at least try. Why rip into this person who tried to provide this forum updates and is actually trying to go to find Natalee and bring her home. So go ahead, tear into me like most of you always do. All we want is Natalee.

Robin

From same thread at RU the trap

[Buckeye]

Guess I'm a little confused...I do remember Christmas Eve, in discussion...then this:

In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive. It was a crushing dissapointment the evening of Dec 30th, but not over.


So, when exactly was the first dive?

[wreck]

Guess I'm a little confused...I do remember Christmas Eve, in discussion...then this:

In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive. It was a crushing dissapointment the evening of Dec 30th, but not over.


So, when exactly was the first dive?

I'm puzzled too - unless by the word "dive" he meant the dive of the "ROV" that took the pictures.

[texasmom]

Guess I'm a little confused...I do remember Christmas Eve, in discussion...then this:

In hindsight, I am in awe of him for his wisdom(from past hard experiences) and strength. At the time, I thought he was nuts for not siding with the rest of us after the first dive. It was a crushing dissapointment the evening of Dec 30th, but not over.


So, when exactly was the first dive?

I'm puzzled too - unless by the word "dive" he meant the dive of the "ROV" that took the pictures.

That's what I'm thinking too, the first "dive" was the ROV only...maybe?

[Buckeye]

Think I found it.  First visual, on trap December 24.  Mos and crew on board on Christmas.  Joint dive  performed December 30.  Did anyone dive between the 24th and 30th?  Would we know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

[texasmom]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Snip:
And Dateline was there when the Persistence was ready to sail.

Tim Miller: I stepped on the boat and said “Natalee we're coming to get you.” Now we're finally coming to get you. And I still believe that from the bottom of my heart. She's out here and now we're on our way.

Over the holiday season, the crew of the persistence worked day and night to survey the ocean floor and look for targets that could hold the key to finding Natalee.

On Christmas Eve sonar pictures revealed what looked like a large trap, almost exactly where Tim Miller theorized it would be.

And on Dec. 29 the crew dropped a remote operated vehicle, or ROV, into the water to get a closer look.

Tim Miller: It looked like a skull. Still looks like a skull.

Chris Hansen: So, you're thinking-- you're thinking at this point--

Tim Miller: I’m thinking at this point, "Oh, my God, maybe we've got something. Maybe we've got something."

Could they have found her? Or was hope, perhaps, making them see what they wanted to see?

(on the boat)

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.

Tim Miller couldn't help but think that the date they first saw that trap -- Christmas eve was a sign that just maybe they were on to something.

(on the boat)

Tim Miller: Maybe that was some of God's timing. I hope maybe Beth and Dave can have what they have been looking for two and half years.

Dave Holloway: I got a phone call from Tim.

Chris Hansen: And what'd he say?

Dave Holloway: He told me, he said, "Dave, we found her."

Chris Hansen: "We found her?"

Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.

Tim Miller: Everything was going right. That morning there was actually a double rainbow when we got started.

Chris Hansen: A double rainbow. Not just one rainbow.

Another sign from above?

A school of dolphins followed the Persistence as it sailed out to the target.

Tim Miller: I know I looked at somebody on the boat, and I said, "The-- the dolphins are going with us to go ahead and get Natalee."
 
(On the boat)

Tim Miller: We are at the spot. Ready to go down . .it is now only a matter of minutes before we know.

snip

[Buckeye]

Think I found it.  First visual, on trap December 24.  Mos and crew on board on Christmas.  Joint dive  performed December 30.  Did anyone dive between the 24th and 30th?  Would we know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Sorry.

    Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

    Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

    Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

    Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.

[wreck]

Think I found it.  First visual, on trap December 24.  Mos and crew on board on Christmas.  Joint dive  performed December 30.  Did anyone dive between the 24th and 30th?  Would we know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Sorry.

    Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

    Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

    Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

    Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.

I'm getting more angry!! 

[texasmom]

Think I found it.  First visual, on trap December 24.  Mos and crew on board on Christmas.  Joint dive  performed December 30.  Did anyone dive between the 24th and 30th?  Would we know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Sorry.

    Dave Holloway: Yeah. I said, "Are you sure?" and he said, "I’m 99.9 percent sure." He said, "We hadn't gone down and dove under or anything. But the photographs--" he said, "I tell you, Dave." I-- he said, "That's what we're looking for. And that's gotta-- that-- that's it."

    Chris Hansen: Did you think that was it?

    Dave Holloway: I did.

And the Holloways weren't alone. The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

    Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

The Aruban authorities agreed the find looked promising. And finally, divers from the Persistence and the Aruban police set out to get an up-close look.

I'm getting more angry!! 

Me too Wreck!  Angry...and sad, for Natalee. 

[Buckeye]

January 25  John Silvetti:

After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis.

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Let's talk about little crab traps. Is this a good month for crabbing? I've forgotten. I recall you're not supposed to take ones with eggs on them. We used to cook 'em while they're still kicking because you don't want to go eating dead ones.

I read this earlier and found that June is a good crabbing month in the Caribbean... one article I found was specifically talking about Cayman, but mentioned other islands..excluding the Antilles but I would imagine it's the same, and another was a tripadvisor review for a Mexican resort also dated June...... fwiw

[Buckeye]

January 25  John Silvetti:

After compiling and reviewing the information, the search area was selected by Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti. Upon completion of the sonar runs in this area, 65 ROV dives were performed by Offshore Innovative Solutions (OIS) on targets identified by sonar. Divers from the Aruban Police Diving Division and Underwater Expeditions made several dives and retrieved samples which were delivered for analysis.

 

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default

[texasmom]

Think I found it.  First visual, on trap December 24.  Mos and crew on board on Christmas.  Joint dive  performed December 30.  Did anyone dive between the 24th and 30th?  Would we know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

I may be wrong, but I think the "sonar" sighting of the trap was the 24th, first ROV dive "visuals" on the 29th (phone call to Dave); Mos and the rest on board 30th.