Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru 11/23/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

I also remember some mention that the boat of the Gottenbos family was being repaired.  Would loading, carrying, and unloading any trap have damaged the interior or exterior?  

Did anyone ever look at that boat for evidence?  (I'm guessing no, it was never checked.)

[texasmom]

I saved this probably in the last month from one of the papers, sorry I don't know much more than that.  It may not be the one everyone's talking about and may not provide any more information than is already known.  Just thought someone might be interested.

Thanks TM...I hope Finbar is lurking and can connect some dots with these Croes.

BTW...Did you open the Wedding link from page 1, that vms found...There is a Jorge Porras in the wedding party...Do you recall the discussion in Shango from the Dr. Phil Documents regarding that name?

Sorry so long responding, I'm trying to clean house and keep up.  Not easy, all the help quits if I turn my head for a minute!  I haven't looked at the wedding link yet, and I don't remember the discussion.  Yes, Finbar would be excellent to connect the dots!

[SS]

We have always wondered why Urine was on a "watch list" and why the Sloot phones were being tapped.  Was this because the DEA was watching them because they had a connection to the drug post office?  Was Paulass also making money off of the drug transfers?  Is this why he went to the bank the same night as the drug transfer and what also turned out to be the same night that Natalee died?  Was he making some kind of a deposit of some cash that had been laundered through the casino where he had been that night?  Is this one of the reasons why Paulass was protected?

Paulus may very well be involved in drug transfers. I highly doubt that this would have anything to do ATM withdrawls at 4am. If Paulus was being monitored by DEA -- any amount of money you could withdraw from an ATM account would be chicken feed. JMO

Did he know that he was being watched and thst his phone was tapped at that point?

Was he making a deposit or a withdrawl?  The teller at the bank knew, but she died unexpectedly.     Have we ever seen the bank records?  By the time that Paulass went to the bank, that drug packages were probably on the way to Holland, so it might have been a deposit.  He had to justify a large sum of money for a deposit.  Is this why he played poker that night?  He could say it was his winnings.  Laundered money.

[Blonde]

I also remember some mention that the boat of the Gottenbos family was being repaired.  Would loading, carrying, and unloading any trap have damaged the interior or exterior?  

Did anyone ever look at that boat for evidence?  (I'm guessing no, it was never checked.)

[SS]

I also remember some mention that the boat of the Gottenbos family was being repaired.  Would loading, carrying, and unloading any trap have damaged the interior or exterior?  

Did anyone ever look at that boat for evidence?  (I'm guessing no, it was never checked.)

Whiskey Girl - The boys might have put Natalee's body in the stolen fisherman's trap and taken her into the ocean using the Gottenbos boat.  If that did happen, it couldn't be the same trap that we are discussing that was found by Persistence.  The Persistence trap is too big and wouldn't fit on the Gottenbos boat.  The commercial trap is larger than the Gottenbos boat that is pictured in the Who's Who thread.  A crane was necessary to lift the trap that Persistence found.  Are the Gottenbos boys divers? 

[MumInOhio]

I also remember some mention that the boat of the Gottenbos family was being repaired.  Would loading, carrying, and unloading any trap have damaged the interior or exterior?  

Did anyone ever look at that boat for evidence?  (I'm guessing no, it was never checked.)

Whiskey Girl - The boys might have put Natalee's body in the stolen fisherman's trap and taken her into the ocean using the Gottenbos boat.  If that did happen, it couldn't be the same trap that we are discussing that was found by Persistence.  The Persistence trap is too big and wouldn't fit on the Gottenbos boat.  The commercial trap is larger than the Gottenbos boat that is pictured in the Who's Who thread.  A crane was necessary to lift the trap that Persistence found.  Are the Gottenbos boys divers? 

Not sure...But I bet the Viana's are...Dad owned a dive company!

[SS]

I also remember some mention that the boat of the Gottenbos family was being repaired.  Would loading, carrying, and unloading any trap have damaged the interior or exterior?  

Did anyone ever look at that boat for evidence?  (I'm guessing no, it was never checked.)

Whiskey Girl - The boys might have put Natalee's body in the stolen fisherman's trap and taken her into the ocean using the Gottenbos boat.  If that did happen, it couldn't be the same trap that we are discussing that was found by Persistence.  The Persistence trap is too big and wouldn't fit on the Gottenbos boat.  The commercial trap is larger than the Gottenbos boat that is pictured in the Who's Who thread.  A crane was necessary to lift the trap that Persistence found.  Are the Gottenbos boys divers? 

Not sure...But I bet the Viana's are...Dad owned a dive company!

 

[SS]

Remember, Caps told us that the boys involved in the drug transfer were also involved with the Matty Apts. and the porn video scene.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Remember, Caps told us that the boys involved in the drug transfer were also involved with the Matty Apts. and the porn video scene.

Is any of that considered a crime in Aruba?  Prosecuted? 

[vms]

Mum,

From July '07. A lot heavier....

[SS]

Shango said that the shivas left and Urine was with the Babylonians.

Caps said that the Alpoes left because they had some other things to attend to.

Three people were seen by the gardener.  If Urine was still at the Matty Apts. where Natalee was killed and he was disposiing of her, who was the third person in the car with the Alpoes?  Koen?  Freddy? Guido? Vianna? Lorenzo?

[Pita]

Pita,

Do you have any recollection of crab trap pictures being posted by John's sister at BFN?
I was told that she did not. ..that the pictures she posted, provided to her by her brother, were of the Persistence in route from Aruba to the U.S.

TIA.

IIRC, there were NEVER any crap trap pictures posted by LegallyLex at BFN.

Robin posted them at BNH and someone took them and sent them to Klaas and RU.
I got accused of this, because I was logged in BNH for one minute  that day. I did not even see them until Klass posted them.

Oh yes, I remember all that very well. You being accused of it and all.

I'm just trying to clear up that John's sister did not post crab trap pictures at BFN, she posted pictues of the ship.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3390.msg467513#msg467513


Thanks for the info, Pita.

You're welcome, vms.  I went back and checked Lex's posts at BFN to make sure my memory was correct.  It was.  She didn't post any crab trap pictures. 

And Blonde, I remember it happening that way as well.

[SS]

Remember, Caps told us that the boys involved in the drug transfer were also involved with the Matty Apts. and the porn video scene.

Is any of that considered a crime in Aruba?  Prosecuted? 

We were told that a porn video was made that night of Natalee's rape.  It was reported that other American tourists on their last night in Aruba also met with this fate.  Fortunately, they didn't die.  As Urine put it in his statement .... we've done this twenty times before.  The porn videos were distributed through Florida.  It's all over in Shango.

[SS]

Mum,

From July '07. A lot heavier....

Is the English name Charles a version of the name Carlos or Carl?

[wreck]

Mum,

From July '07. A lot heavier....

Is the English name Charles a version of the name Carlos or Carl?

I believe so (as in Carlos & Charlie's  )

[friend of monkeys]

does anymonkey know if greta is having guests on Monday night?

TIA

[Anna]

Hello FOM!

I haven't heard Greta say anything about guests but she has said she will show a video she has that she has been trying to share with Hans Mos.

[Anna]

So Robin said there was nothing related to Natalee in the fish trap?  I saw that post when reading to catch up and now I can't find it.

In that case, there wouldn't be much to cover up in that regard.

I do think Greta has yet another confession from Joran to be ignored.  After all, everyone knows what a liar he is.

Can you imagine using that defense in a serious court of law about a serious crime like this?  No one can believe me because I lie so much.  Then having the judge go along with it.  Just unbelievable.  Even if he is lying, at some point, I think he should be held legally to his words and that is what would likely happen anywhere else in the world.

His confession would just be taken as fact and he would not be allowed to weasel out of it regardless.  If it is not true, he shouldn't be saying that it is.

imo

[texasmom]

I saved this probably in the last month from one of the papers, sorry I don't know much more than that.  It may not be the one everyone's talking about and may not provide any more information than is already known.  Just thought someone might be interested.

Thanks TM...I hope Finbar is lurking and can connect some dots with these Croes.

BTW...Did you open the Wedding link from page 1, that vms found...There is a Jorge Porras in the wedding party...Do you recall the discussion in Shango from the Dr. Phil Documents regarding that name?

Sorry so long responding, I'm trying to clean house and keep up.  Not easy, all the help quits if I turn my head for a minute!  I haven't looked at the wedding link yet, and I don't remember the discussion.  Yes, Finbar would be excellent to connect the dots!

I went back and typed it out so I could run it through the papiamentu translator, may have not been perfect typing btw but I think it was very close to exact.

This is what I got:

carlos nicolaas croes cu 90 ana of life much bendiciona we carlito, we dad we father always respeta, aprecia y love my acore go dress one dress cu much color cora because, mary owing to bisami cu they're of one family much alegra so my can t more serca din an curason cu my inspiracion formula poema here, owing to base din an same information they're hendenan cu likes laugh, happen prêt y happen good. expresa today at father god they gradicimento for din an humble curason. today they're celebra the of 90 cumpleanos din an father love carlito, father, dad, don carlos some nombernan of carino give at the caballero carlos nicolaas croes of sta. cruz, naci at aruba, his sweet lugar…pero…cu owing to emigra, take away his family at ana 1968 corsouw for go work y live together cu his estimada y beautiful wife henita y they 7 yuinan at edad much jong for today, look at bek on they recuerdonan “sweet and strong” in otrabanda or at punda, all the yuinan cu good comportacion learn stop on they same leg y follow they same curason einan they owing to live feliz for 35 anja cu de ves provided that cuando of vacacion akin owing to aruba yuinan already big y balente, cu is inspira another cu they same confidence y they form of give = mary, elda, edna, maria, dientjie, lucia y erwin= y after owing to give love y atencion also at steve cu owing to come = join owing to sweet y jolly family here as one yui y brother without bacila = recorda together so much time precioso of father god regala= cu his same confidence, father owing to inspira all yui for go catholic y resa= for so in end of week the yuinan can owing to leave dance at party much trip carlito gozando of sweet musica mariachi at corsouw after ten owing to mexico, apart from loves his lamanan blauw or hour the bring the macutonan ye of pisca y piskechi for wordo scama without mucho smak more of play domino, although the earn is saca cabes de ves provided that cuando y the is go back surprise his hendenan cu his good beis or cu one sweet chasco at anja 2003, past owing to come live bek at aruba his island natal y never forget y today the curason of yuinan y other family is reza one beautiful oracion special “pa father todopoderoso acepta the cruz din an father sue dad y the weight of his dianan in his misericordia, because is god owing to lagele arrive ten owing to the edad avansa here of 90. companjele now, hour his curpa do not obedece his self more y let do you gracia as his garoti y do you bendicion compel of his pianan…” let do you words is luz y love for his wowonan, senor” day 4 of november 1918 y 4 of november 2008 is fechanan historico in we family hour cu musica of mariachi will skeiro again in all angle of the curason complete of gladness hour cu yuinan, nietonan y bisanietonan will feel they self because; frutanan of one good simian or cu we dirigi we oracion cu firmeza y confidence, y give thanks for we father because; we guia for so much anja of life y goodness, y cu we is conforma cu locual god follow have for we y because; famil y prohimo brother, follow alaba father god cu simper owing to cuida we cu one pabien big y of curason, for we dad cu we loves, respeta y aprecia!! for we not have two father neither do don carlos neither two carlito for iguala!!! cu much love y carino, in number of all child grandson, grandson y other famil! autor: ruthy “lady ruth” vrieswijk-bergen-aruba-corsouw-aruba 4 november 2008 come across

[GrannyToad]

Let's talk about little crab traps. Is this a good month for crabbing? I've forgotten. I recall you're not supposed to take ones with eggs on them. We used to cook 'em while they're still kicking because you don't want to go eating dead ones.