Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru 11/23/08

[Blonde]

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Kyle said NO
Quote from: oceanexploration on November 20,2008 at 04:00:07 PM
BTW, this is certainly NOT John Silvetti.  I do not know this man.  He was with the Arubans who came on board for the Dec-30th meeting.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.new#new

[Blonde]

I turned him

Anyone think here are are two guy's and who are they

[oceanexploration]

To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions: 

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence. 

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. 

I support freedom of speech and respect opinion, but not where the facts do not support it.  This is borderline libel and similar to saying the Apollo moon landing was staged.  I've worked along side both Louis and John (Silvetti is NOT red shirt lol).  They both sacrificed a lot personally to conduct this search.  Perfect people they are not.  However, calling them traitors is past opinion.  Do not let your emotions interfere with what you know to be true regarding this case.

3rd - All visitors on board the Persitence signed in.  Their names were recorded in the Ships log. I do not have this, nor do I have the time or access to track it down.  If it were relevant to the case it has been forwarded to the FBI.  Don't you think the FBI knows exactly who was on that boat and if it were important?  My job had nothing to do with logging visitors, as I am not a secretary.  The notes I kept were for my own records and pertained mainly to successfully conducting a very technically demanding search.

I am not reluctant to help where I am able, but I am reluctant to naming friends and coworkers names involved in the search when their pictures get posted on the net.  Do you know how creepy that is?  It's been almost a year since the search began.  With the exception of a notable few, I can't remember the names of all who came on board.  Even their faces are fading in my mind. 

My prayers and blessings go out to all those who have worked tirelessly on this case and to the Holloway-Twitty family.  YOU are a major reason why this case is still alive.  I pray, hope, and trust that this case will be solved and justice carried out here on Earth in the near future.  Keep hope alive.

[teacat]

What do you think?  Maybe red shirt?

I vote "no" but what do I know? 

bump

Anyone?  Yes or No, I can take it!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

There's a good close up of John Silvetti on his website....St. Jude's Aim for the Cure scrapbook section....2007.  I'm having trouble grabbing it, so I hope this link brings you to it. 

http://silvettigroup.com/checkindex/index.html

[texasmom]

Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

[texasmom]

Thanks Teacat!  I appreciate the response!   

[oceanexploration]

Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

[texasmom]

Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

Thank you Kyle!   

[Blonde]

Does anyone think they are the same guy?

[Buckeye]

Was information and material forwarded to the FBI directly by The Persistence...or did the information/material get forwarded by way of the Aruban authorities?

[texasmom]

Does anyone think they are the same guy?

No, in my opinion.

[MumInOhio]

Kyle...The last time you were here,you said that Tim left to go to Costa Rica. This is the first I heard of this. Is this corrct?

Thanks In Advance.

[teacat]

Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

Texasmom: Thank you for posting such a clear and succinct question!

Kyle, I honestly mean you NO DISRESPECT in any of my questions. Please understand that and know the questions come from this place:
You were an integral part , and indeed one of a very FEW WHO ACUTALLY KNOW FROM FIRST -HAND KNOWLEDGE and NOT SPECULATION, of a search that has been foremost in this forum's collective minds and we have been  trying to determine who these people in these few posts photos are. As you have been willing to answer many questions based on FACTS, I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that you might be able to place names with faces. As you state that you hesitate to do so and find it creepy, I now respectfully back off and away.

I do wish you well and thank you for your all your outstanding efforts.

[Blonde]

I believe that when Kyle described the cage, he said one side was not in good shape and the door was actually laying on the floor of the cage.  The items sampled IIRC were on top of the door.  So they could easily view inside without looking through mesh.

if the door is on the floor, do you mean the cage's door is on the ocean floor? if so, do you mean the items sampled were still inside the cage or laying on top of the cage?  Either way, the photos still look like the things Kermit circled (the shoe) are INSIDE a cage. How does the camera appear to be inside with the items? Can someone post the photos again so we know what I'm talking about?

Ok. Now if we go to 2:49 on the Dateline show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kg231BJ-rk&feature=related you can see the cage and it looks wholy intact on top, assuming that is the "top" of the cage. Where does the door attach to this cage; on a side? from the top, anyone?

I believe from the side, I found OE's post about it:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3285;sa=showPosts;start=40

56   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -  on: March 19, 2008, 03:27:10 PM 

Quote from: ******* on March 19, 2008, 03:21:50 PM

Thanks! I was figuring about the same,but wasn't sure if it could have been 10 years or so.

Was that cage intact/closed when you viewed it? Just wondering if it was,because that would help keep everything in the cage that was originally placed there. Also it would keep out the large fish that live at that depth.

Response from oceanexploration

It's possible to have been 10 years or so.  I don't know for certain and don't have any way to readily test this. The trap was somewhat intact.  It's north side was in poor shape, with significant deterioration of it's northern panels.  The trap's doop is usually fastened to the outside of the trap.  It was laying inside the trap, as if pushed open. The contents sampled inside the trap were laying on top of the door.  The trap was found in 90 ft.

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« Reply #171 on: March 19, 2008, 04:21:31 PM »

After the Jan 7th dive, I was scheduled to take a short break on land, staying at the Holiday Inn between Jan 9th and returning to the Persistence on Jan 14th.  I had been working steadily since Dec 15th and needed a break.  It was a coincidence I was around to be walking the beach to observe what I saw with the vessel at or near the site on the 11th and 12th of Jan.  I don't know for certain if there is anything to it.  When asked if they were diving the site, they replied: "we don't have dive capabilities".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.msg366826#msg366826

[MumInOhio]

MumInOhio > Relax  ??

Yes...Johan...Take some time off, relax...no need for some of us to keep spending all these hours each day looking for the answers.

Some amongst us are in the know, have the answers and we will find out in due time. 

[Magnolia]

MumInOhio > Relax  ??

Yes...Johan...Take some time off, relax...no need for some of us to keep spending all these hours each day looking for the answers.

Some amongst us are in the know, have the answers and we will find out in due time. 

Not to worry, Mum, we will find out when arrest are made.
That is like saying When Pigs Fly. IMO 

[Pita]

Does anybody think the cop on the right looks like the guy in the red shirt?

[SS]

Hi Kyle,

I hope maybe you can answer this.

Was any type of dive performed on the cage we've all been discussing between Christmas Eve when it was seen on the sonar reading, and before the December 29th ROV dive?

I found the trap sonar target at 1:42 am on Christmas morning.  I was asked if I had any targets to investigate with the ROV on Dev 29th.  I did.  We then performed the 1st ROV dive and confirmed the sonar target was the trap.  This was the first ROV dive performed.  No other dives were performed prior to this.  I kept the sonar target list very confidential.  I didn't need people knowing about it and people on board knew well enough not even to ask.  When it was time to dive I have the target location. Until then, it was kept confidential.

When Persistence left, we were told that there were still over a hundred targets to check.  Is there any plan to go back and check these targets?

[teacat]

I do think it could be DTKM in the red shirt.  His appearance in a suit and tie is very different than in casual clothes.  His chin and shape of face, cheek bones looks very similar to me.  JMHO

There were people that thought it was Silvetti but Kyle said it was not Silvetti and it was someone that came on board with the Arubans.

I dunno if these help at all...

Does Bulldog have a camera around his neck?

I don't think so... I think that would be a crazy-small camera on a very short leash if it were around Bulldog's neck. Perhaps it's on someone standing just to the right of him?