Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[BUCKSHOT]

Kermit said:

Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -  on: Today at 06:19:22 PM  

Withholding evidence to your own government is not, in my book, legal.
But that is just me. Maybe I'm a bad undercover frog.

What do people take this to mean?
Kyle with held evidence from FBI?
Was kermit there? How would he know?

[BUCKSHOT]

oceanexploration posted:
You may freely do as you please. I will not stand in your way.

So you are saying YES? We are going to expose the truth here and now?

_________________________________________________________________________

Would take that to be permission...

There was another post where i'm quite positive OE said No hotShot..I will look for the post..Be back..

hotshot or Kermit??? 

Neither. BUCKSHOT.

[2NJSons_Mom]

oceanexploration posted:
You may freely do as you please. I will not stand in your way.

So you are saying YES? We are going to expose the truth here and now?

_________________________________________________________________________

Would take that to be permission...

There was another post where i'm quite positive OE said No hotShot..I will look for the post..Be back..

hotshot or Kermit??? 

Neither. BUCKSHOT.

   OK...literally impaired....I get it, now.

[Keepthefaith]

oceanexploration posted:
You may freely do as you please. I will not stand in your way.

So you are saying YES? We are going to expose the truth here and now?

_________________________________________________________________________

Would take that to be permission...

I believe in a later post OE told Kermit no!I'm looking for the post but my computer is having connectivity problems!

There was another post where i'm quite positive OE said No hotShot..I will look for the post..Be back..

hotshot or Kermit??? 

[Helen Back]

oceanexploration posted:
You may freely do as you please. I will not stand in your way.

So you are saying YES? We are going to expose the truth here and now?

_________________________________________________________________________

Would take that to be permission...

keep reading!

 

[texasmom]

Goodnight everyone!

[BUCKSHOT]

Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru  on: Today at 12:56:12 PM  
Quote from: SS on Today at 12:53:13 PM
I, for one, would just love to know what is going on.


I'll tell you what is going on. oceanexploration just needs to say YES to moi!

But it seems he left.

I'm going to go get some flies.

I have not, nor would or will I ever lie to ANYONE! It is not how I live my life. And I won't start now.
What I have said is the truth, I confronted him, he took off. Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul. I hope it's the latter.

 
Moi is French.


Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul.
(Is Kermit insinuating that OE is corrupt? With holding truth? Am I missing something?)

[GrannyToad]

I don't think I have enough thoughts for a low-carb banana even. I dunno what's going on or gone one. I don't like Russian ships in Venezuela either, I'm sick of bullies.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Goodnight everyone!

I'm right behind you Texasmom....G'nite, everyone....see you later.

[BUCKSHOT]

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52   Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru  on: Today at 12:41:21 PM 
Quote from: oceanexploration on Today at 11:21:25 AM
To clarify a few points so you aren't distracted or mislead by emotional opinions: 

1st - Pipeline surveys resemble just that.. a pipeline.  They are aligned with a route corridor from point A to point B.  This search was a squarish grid centered on finding Natalee Holloway and has no other purpose.  Suggesting anything else is insulting your own intelligence. 

2nd - Louis and John had no alterior motives with this search.  If they did, obviously something further would have come of it businesswise.  It hasn't.  Calling them "American Traitors" is again an insult to your own intelligence. 

I support freedom of speech and respect opinion, but not where the facts do not support it.  This is borderline libel and similar to saying the Apollo moon landing was staged.  I've worked along side both Louis and John (Silvetti is NOT red shirt lol).  They both sacrificed a lot personally to conduct this search.  Perfect people they are not.  However, calling them traitors is past opinion.  Do not let your emotions interfere with what you know to be true regarding this case.

3rd - All visitors on board the Persitence signed in.  Their names were recorded in the Ships log. I do not have this, nor do I have the time or access to track it down.  If it were relevant to the case it has been forwarded to the FBI.  Don't you think the FBI knows exactly who was on that boat and if it were important?  My job had nothing to do with logging visitors, as I am not a secretary.  The notes I kept were for my own records and pertained mainly to successfully conducting a very technically demanding search.

I am not reluctant to help where I am able, but I am reluctant to naming friends and coworkers names involved in the search when their pictures get posted on the net.  Do you know how creepy that is?  It's been almost a year since the search began.  With the exception of a notable few, I can't remember the names of all who came on board.  Even their faces are fading in my mind. 

My prayers and blessings go out to all those who have worked tirelessly on this case and to the Holloway-Twitty family.  YOU are a major reason why this case is still alive.  I pray, hope, and trust that this case will be solved and justice carried out here on Earth in the near future.  Keep hope alive.



You want to take me on?
Then let's do it right here!
I'll expose YOUR part along with the cover-up right here and now.
Otherwise, I suggest you crawl back in to your hole.
Because frankly, I am not only willing, but able to expose this whole thing.
Lets do it big boy!
Come on!
Just say YES!

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I am getting my popcorn ready? -- BUCKSHOT


 

[Altruist]

Hey for all the "outside the loop" posters here know Natalee could have been recovered from that site long before the Persistence even set out for destination "LieRuba", it was stated that the "trap" was discovered very near where Tim Miller had indicated that she was put.

The Persistence could have then gone on in there to establish the previous find to ALE & if or should I say when ALE/OM did not take adequate action bring the corruption into light.  No one would be subject to extradition as NOBODY would have any evidence of when the actual recovery had been made or by whom.  It is quite apparent that when ever illegal activities take place LieRuba's officials have the damn radar TURNED OFF.  Bring it into the light, our Government could certainly stand behind that no matter what it's BS "friendly status is with a bunch of crooks for whatever reason, that I personally do not feel are justified" LieRuba would have no credible evidence to justify any extradition requests, cripes the USA paid for the ISA for a bunch of elitest perverts offspring to be educated, shameful imo.  That's why the world doesn't find fault with the American people but with the policies of it's elected & bureaucratic officials, who seem to take care of the untrustworthy cuz they are in a position of power.

If now those living on LieRuba expect that the LieRuba corruption can be cleaned up by the USA &/or the Holloways, they are mistaken.  That will have to be done from within through their own election process.  If there is an uncorrupted political entity on the devils island I suggest they get their butts to work to win over the hearts of the electorate that they will not let corruption weild it's ugly head into a new government that people will have employment due to their qualifications & not some "luck of birth" or "looking the other way when criminal activity takes place.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Natalee Holloway / Natalee Holloway / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru  on: Today at 12:56:12 PM  
Quote from: SS on Today at 12:53:13 PM
I, for one, would just love to know what is going on.


I'll tell you what is going on. oceanexploration just needs to say YES to moi!

But it seems he left.

I'm going to go get some flies.

I have not, nor would or will I ever lie to ANYONE! It is not how I live my life. And I won't start now.
What I have said is the truth, I confronted him, he took off. Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul. I hope it's the latter.

 
Moi is French.


Maybe he needs some time to plan another diversion or search his soul.
(Is Kermit insinuating that OE is corrupt? With holding truth? Am I missing something?)

Yes, Moi is French...so what does that have do do with the rest of the scenario?   

Yep, I'm heading to the boudreau (sp?)...tout suit.

[Keepthefaith]

Sorry for the crazy posts.My connectivity was going wacky.Am i correct in saying that OE came back in a later post and said "No" to Kermit??Anyone.I will look as well but am slower then most..LOL

[Kat_Gram]

Well, I guess we'll meet here tomorrow after Greta on Fox. G'Nite

[wreck]

Sorry for the crazy posts.My connectivity was going wacky.Am i correct in saying that OE came back in a later post and said "No" to Kermit??Anyone.I will look as well but am slower then most..LOL

OE E-MAILED Kermit and asked him NOT to reveal what he knows. Kermit is awaiting someone in Washington DC to tell him whether to reveal what he knows.

[Helen Back]

I posted my thoughts and opinions, but they don't get a lot of "air time"......

but I'll say it again anyway

When Cohen reappeared, And Tacopina pushed himself away from the table for an interview, and Mos issued a press release, and Mos suddenly believes that PRDV tape is admissable and is now Joran's confession, and VDS' niece posts at SM, and Greta has big news, new witnesses coming forward, Joran's on the run again......

Something's up.

Something seemed odd about the Persistence search at the time it happened.  Sudden departure, strange posts and pictures leaked. 

I don't know what that's all about, but I do know that something's going on when "company insiders" dump a bunch of stock and trigger an SEC investigation.

That's all

[bc73]

Sorry for the crazy posts.My connectivity was going wacky.Am i correct in saying that OE came back in a later post and said "No" to Kermit??Anyone.I will look as well but am slower then most..LOL

He said "no" to releasing it on this forum. Not quite sure if he meant that for Kermit, or was stating he wanted nothing to do with letting info out that could hinder investigation.

[Tamikosmom]

WHY was a U.S. government official on that boat before ALE showed up?  Looks to me like that would have solved all this speculation. 

correction: should be "wasn't"

I agree.

If a member of the FBI had been aboard that boat to observe what was in that cage when it was brought up ... this entire discussion would not be taking place.

I cannot comprehend how collaborating with the Aruban "powers that be" who Natalee Holloway's family perceived to be behind the coverup to protect Joran and Paulus van der Sloot from implication in the happenings of the morning of May 30th ... could possibly bring about justice for Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  The enemy is not about to assist in furthering a quest to find Natalee's remains ... a quest that does not adhere to the coverup agenda.

Janet
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JUG TWITTY

NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

JUG TWITTY: Nancy, what happened -- well, I think it was probably about 30 days after, or so, maybe the 1st of July or something. I had a meeting with Van Der Straaten, who was the police chief in charge at that time. And I went in and sat down with him and told him and Officer Sanboe (ph), who was going to take over for Van Der Straaten. He was there, too.

You know, I asked a question about, I understand that there was a statement made by Joran, where he talks about what he had done to Natalee and he described in very graphic detail, like, the stitching and embroidery and everything on Natalee`s underwear. And he goes, Oh, no, no, no. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Well, little did he know I had just read the statements where Joran describes that to the "T," you know, two days before. But of course, I didn`t tell him that. But that`s just when I started to think something`s wrong here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


'Scarborough Country' for August 11
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 12, 2005

TWITTY: ... but when they take my statement 33 days later, and they take the other guys‘ statements that were with me and ladies that were with me, you know, like 19 days later, it‘s like they didn‘t want to find the truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925176/


BETH TWITTY

'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 1:46 p.m. PT, Sun., Oct. 23, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men.  They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9796403/from/RL.2/


The Jonesboro Sun
January 29, 2007

Twitty recalled the first days after her daughter's disappearance and the actions of the Aruban government.

"We did everything we could in looking for her.  There was a government coverup, and it has been documented," Twitty contended. "Yet we have remained respectful and have done the right thing."

http://www.jonesborosun.com/story.php?ID=25809


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Dec. 5th
updated 6:18 a.m. PT, Tues., Dec. 6, 2005

TWITTY: ... Remember, within the first 24 hours, we knew who the suspects were. We knew the persons that Natalee were taken from Carlos and Charlie‘s. We knew the license plate of the gray Honda they placed her in. We knew the condition that Natalee was in. We knew the behavior or the conduct in which they engaged in with Natalee.

And then not only that, Jane, within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

TWITTY: Well, Jane, something that the family knew—and we have to keep reminding everyone—after 72 hours -- 72 hours—we knew definitively that these suspects were not telling the truth. We knew that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. Of course we were becoming frustrated. Who wouldn‘t, at this point? You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null


DAVE HOLLOWAY

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta
Transcript: Corruption in Paradise?
Tuesday, April 11, 2006

HOLLOWAY: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html


On the Record w/ Greta
Hope for the Holloways?
Thursday, November 17, 2005

HOLLOWAY: ... I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html

[klaasend]

I posted my thoughts and opinions, but they don't get a lot of "air time"......

but I'll say it again anyway

When Cohen reappeared, And Tacopina pushed himself away from the table for an interview, and Mos issued a press release, and Mos suddenly believes that PRDV tape is admissable and is now Joran's confession, and VDS' niece posts at SM, and Greta has big news, new witnesses coming forward, Joran's on the run again......

Something's up.

Something seemed odd about the Persistence search at the time it happened.  Sudden departure, strange posts and pictures leaked. 

I don't know what that's all about, but I do know that something's going on when "company insiders" dump a bunch of stock and trigger an SEC investigation.

That's all

I agree, something feels different this time.  We shall see.

[cajun miracle]

I left to watch football when the S--- hit the fan this afternoon. I am now caught up. Well, I have absolutely no contact with anyone involved -- but, what I have thought since February is apparently true. Natalee WAS found and the family knows. PLEASE don't misunderstand me. I am FINE with that. They are still trying to SOLVE the case and put away those guilty partys. The family has been VERY quiet since about March. There are NO efforts to resume searching -- no reason to.
Here is where I stand: I am not ready to condemn the Persistence crew. It could be that they were asked NOT to reveal "what they know". I just don't know yet.

JMO

Hi Wreck, We have both felt this way for sometime now. I pray that this is the truth.