Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[Magnolia]

Kermit said something about another fabric that "Swayed"  was this the blouse???

I wondered the same thing, Always.

There is no doubt in my mind now that Silvetti was the man in
the Red Shirt.

The baseball cap.....

Kyle just kept on lying about that!

[bastibro]

wasn't there a cage missing near the FM's hut ?

That was a little one Johan

ha die Bastibro

so they used a ship with a hoisting crane for that cage ?

Yes, it`s impossible to transport this cage with a small boat

[Kermit]

Kermit
i see on the pics different Dates can you explain that ?

Great eyes Johan...

Dates of the dives.
The Jan 7th dive, was ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS.

[johan555]

wasn't there a cage missing near the FM's hut ?

Yes but they are saying it was much smaller like this one.
Wonder if this is the blue tarp?

i think it is a cage blonde

[Keepthefaith]

Did I understand Kermit to say that it was not Kyle that turned any of the 6 pictures over to the FBI that were sent by the FBI to Robin?  If not who?  If it were Silvetti, why would he turn over just a portion of the pictues,  and why would he not turn over the tapes and anything else he had acquired.  The log book?  Why??

Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

Thank you Kermit.Do we know who the divers were that cleaned the cage??

[Kermit]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

blah and joran,

Forensic's should have been done.
But keep in mind, Tim Miller saw it and said, "It looks like a skull".

Ok Kermit I'm missing something here, havent read here in quite a while.

Spell it out in black and white - what does the posts you made today prove and how do they prove it?

Hi blah.

The Aruban Divers ONLY took the evidence.
Tim Miller was off the ship.
They retrieved the evidence from the cage. The cage that we were told had nothing, remember.
Then 6 photos were uploaded (given to Dave by FBI) his wife, Robin posted them on her site.
OE accused Red of posting them.
These photos were NOT turned over to the FBI until recently and not by OE.
The ship asked for donations to continue the search for Natalee and then returned home.
John Silvetti returned to Aruba to set up a business in Aruba with South America.

Seems like a cover-up to me when the authorities don't turn over evidence in their possession.
Maybe not???

Hi Kermit. I know I'm reading something the wrong way, but if the photos were given to Dave by the FBI, then why did someone need to give them back to the FBI?

TY

6 photos given to the FBI.
Dave asked Kyle for the photos, he did not give them to dave.
Dave to them from the FBI and those were the photos that Robin put on her website.
THESE  photos posted now have not been given to the FBI by anyone from the Persistence.

[klaasend]

[johan555]

Kermit
i see on the pics different Dates can you explain that ?

Great eyes Johan...

Dates of the dives.
The Jan 7th dive, was ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS.

ow why was that ?

[always 1]

I still have so many questions.  Could the amount of money Paulus got from the ATM been to pay someone to take Nat's body out to the boat, or was this on the wrong night???  If that occured, why would the shoe be put in the cage???  How many places was Nat's body before it was in the cage???  How did the people who made the XXX movies of the girl who was not Nat get an exact replica of her blouse???? 

[Kermit]

Did I understand Kermit to say that it was not Kyle that turned any of the 6 pictures over to the FBI that were sent by the FBI to Robin?  If not who?  If it were Silvetti, why would he turn over just a portion of the pictues,  and why would he not turn over the tapes and anything else he had acquired.  The log book?  Why??

Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

Thank you Kermit.Do we know who the divers were that cleaned the cage??

The logs were on board the Persistence and stripped when it returned back to USA.

[texasmom]

Did I understand Kermit to say that it was not Kyle that turned any of the 6 pictures over to the FBI that were sent by the FBI to Robin?  If not who?  If it were Silvetti, why would he turn over just a portion of the pictues,  and why would he not turn over the tapes and anything else he had acquired.  The log book?  Why??

Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.

THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

 

[Rob]

 
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[Kermit]

Kermit
i see on the pics different Dates can you explain that ?

Great eyes Johan...

Dates of the dives.
The Jan 7th dive, was ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS.

ow why was that ?

Yeah, why was everyone ushered off the boat and ONLY Aruban divers allowed.
They didn't know the ROV was still filming them. They don't know about these photos.

[Keepthefaith]

You are more knowledgable then i Klass.Where are the Painted rocks in accordance to the Gottenbos house??Thanx in advance...

[Kermit]

No Kermit.  I think having this information makes it worse!  How can we find peace in knowing they have this evidence and still no arrests have been made??  Ugh!! 
I also don't understand why they are going to these lengths to protect the lil scumbag?   

Peace in that you know what happened I guess.

[johan555]

Hello ROB !!!!!!!

[Kermit]

Kermit,

Is this why John Q. Kelly said that Natalee's body was unrecoverable?  Because the officials of Aruba took everything and will never own up to it?

That is my assumption too.

So, how long have JQK and the family been clued in to what REALLY happened? I'm guessing late may or June by what PI was asking.

I forget the date off the top of my head. BUT PI was aware.

[Keepthefaith]

Kermit,

Is this why John Q. Kelly said that Natalee's body was unrecoverable?  Because the officials of Aruba took everything and will never own up to it?

That is my assumption too.

So, how long have JQK and the family been clued in to what REALLY happened? I'm guessing late may or June by what PI was asking.

I forget the date off the top of my head. BUT PI was aware.

Will this now give the FBI the ability to question Silvetti,and or everyone of the persistence Crew Kermit???

[Blue Moon]

Did I understand Kermit to say that it was not Kyle that turned any of the 6 pictures over to the FBI that were sent by the FBI to Robin?  If not who?  If it were Silvetti, why would he turn over just a portion of the pictues,  and why would he not turn over the tapes and anything else he had acquired.  The log book?  Why??

Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

Thank you Kermit.Do we know who the divers were that cleaned the cage??

The logs were on board the Persistence and stripped when it returned back to USA.

I would think the FBI could get their hands on those records and should do it soon.

[klaasend]

You are more knowledgable then i Klass.Where are the Painted rocks in accordance to the Gottenbos house??Thanx in advance...

The painted rocks near the lighthouse above the Gottenbos home.  Not very far when you consider how small the island is overall.