Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[texasmom]

This is just what I think, so anyone is welcome to correct me if they know differently.

Some in Aruba will know what we know now, some may be watching here as we speak.  The majority of the "average" Arubans will not.  The media is very controlled there.  I believe that access to this website even is controlled there.  I read recently that cable television was going to be out for 5-6 days if I read it correctly.  The people there see and hear what the government wants them to see and hear.  The horrid pack of lies by Renee Gielen was televised there and probably viewed by many.  Was this intentionally done at this time to place doubt in the minds of the Aruban people about the Holloway family the day before Peter DeVries last show on Joran?  And Greta's show?  Will the average Arubans ever know all that we know about this case?

 

[Keepthefaith]

Klassend,

If you have time or when you have time, you can take the picture of the cage (the one hodges posted because I think that is the dimensions close to the actual cage) and place it on the Gottenbros boat. I believe it will fit.

Oh, I'm sure it will fit

Yeah me too.

Are any of the Gottenbos in America and with this new evidence would this give them any jurisdiction to question any Gottenbo in America???Just thoughts...Kermit?Any idea?

[Bladerunner]

private eye March 20, 2008
Kyle I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made,
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2721.440

thanks! (earlier than I thought)

Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7, it did not look at all like a skull. But I did think I noticed a second object in one of the zip lock bags that could possibly be the object that resembled a skull, possibly. I am a little amazed that the denim looks remarkably NOT deteriorated. Mostly I was trying to pique her interest to get her to contact the appropriate people. I think Dave worked closely with the owner of the boat, so he may well have already done this. But I know Beth appreciates the heads up, as do I. You are a good man. I did tell her my main concern was that you were concerned, and that I respect and trust your judgment enough for her to investigate this. Thanks.

[Kermit]

Dec. 20 Caps registered at SM, dive at cage takes place
Jan 7 - Aruba divers collect evidence from trap
Jan 9 - 14 - Kyle is off the ship staying at Holiday Inn, then Kyle posts saying met a witness
Jan 11 - Kyle sees a ship around the dive site
Jan 17 - Caps puts his first post at SM
Jan 22 - leak the persistence found something
Jan 27-29 - Kyles IP shows up Atlanta
Jan 30 - Caps emails Dave
January 30 - I started to look at the case of Natalee on Dec 22, 2007 and I wrote a research report that was send to the FBI
I send it to klaasend for review and that's how I got here. The results was a place that everyone overlooked.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg333988#msg333988

Feb 27 - Sonar used on Pond
February 28, 2008, 07:24:57 PM
My C.S.I Degree from the University of Cryptologic consist of Simian 101, Simian 102, and Strategic Cryptology science given by Prof. Clyde Burk.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357022#msg357022




March 20 - Private eye asks kyle about the "material revovered versus what was rec'd"
March 29 - The witness watched our efforts and as a result, wanted to open up to us, through John S.

[Hotshot]

Hello Hotshot! .Will this help to expedite any arrests??

I sure hope so......  But I didn't say arrests.LOL   Funny this is all I saw when the first pics came out.  Which is why i didn't put it in words, because I assumed everyone saw this.  You know how you think it, so you assume everyone else does too.  Also, didn't we already know that the cover-up would continue?  Of course Aruba ALE got to the trap prior to the USA after letting it be known.  It wouldn't be any other way, I think we know Aruba well enough for that by now.  Thank God for the ROV still filming, huh.  So where do we go from here? 

Is this what Greta is going to talk about?
Did the Persistence Crew get anything prior to the ALE?
Where are the ALE divers?
Where is the REAL report?
Yes Dateline did pay to be on the boat, do they know the truth?
Who exactly stripped the ship, Schafer or Silvetti?
What are they going to do with what they stripped from the ship?

A little diddy about CAPS.  John did go back to work with CAPS 2 times that I know of, to Aruba, about the Monstart pond.  He was with CAPS the whole time, so I don't see where anyone is getting at he went to go and make plans for a pipeline.  CAPS did not come on here to disinform, I can assure you that.  He has worked hard on this case, and there is still more to come that actually entwines with what kermit has put out there.  Again, i can't and won't go into detail.  But as he has told you all, there is reasons why the whole body is NOT in that trap.  Nothing that you haven't already read about here. 

Kermit I do thank you for bringing all this to light, my problem was I didn't know who you were calling grave robbers.  I understand now.  I would love to know the answers as to if we are ever going to know the real truth about who really knows, without a question of doubt, that this is natalee, (I mean we know) but proof so they ALE can't turn back on this.  Proof to go forward with prosecution.  Closure to the family is my only concern, but it would be nice to actually prove for conviction.  Also wanted to add about the blue tarp.  That tarp was on the north coast over by the natural bridge, to the left of it, hanging down the cliff. i got the pictures of this, and called the ale to go and check it out.  it is no longer there.  Can we say.....she was moved again from the cliffs to the trap?  Yes we can.  It was a garbage bag taken near the HI/hut area to begin with, which is where I believe they put her in the cement basin for an over night stay, even Joran stated that he put her there in the mangroves. Note this is where Blondes pics come in. So this moving of the body has been on going.  This picture surfaced somewhere around Easter of 2007.  Val saying a head will roll onto the shore.  why?  I think all these things are finally coming together as we now see.  ALE has been hard at work to keep moving this body, and we all have to wonder why this is.  You'd think they'd want to solve this all.  It all leads back to trying to save 2 people.  King, and Paulus.

[bulldog]

I'm confused as to why Joran was muddy by the pond?  How does the pond play into this whole case?   

[sylvia]

Kermit,

Are the leg bones in the cage? Where would they be?




This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage


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[Magnolia]

So, Kermit, did Kyle just say that he saw the Panther at
the dive site to try to explain away the evidence?

[SS]

Janet-

This is my dinner tonight because I once was very angry at you when you thought Kyle was lying to us.  Sorry!!!

[Kermit]

So, Kermit, did Kyle just say that he saw the Panther at
the dive site to try to explain away the evidence?

I think he saw the boat there and questioned why they would be out there is all.

[Keepthefaith]

Hello Hotshot! .Will this help to expedite any arrests??

I sure hope so......  But I didn't say arrests.LOL   Funny this is all I saw when the first pics came out.  Which is why i didn't put it in words, because I assumed everyone saw this.  You know how you think it, so you assume everyone else does too.  Also, didn't we already know that the cover-up would continue?  Of course Aruba ALE got to the trap prior to the USA after letting it be known.  It wouldn't be any other way, I think we know Aruba well enough for that by now.  Thank God for the ROV still filming, huh.  So where do we go from here? 

Is this what Greta is going to talk about?
Did the Persistence Crew get anything prior to the ALE?
Where are the ALE divers?
Where is the REAL report?
Yes Dateline did pay to be on the boat, do they know the truth?
Who exactly stripped the ship, Schafer or Silvetti?
What are they going to do with what they stripped from the ship?

A little diddy about CAPS.  John did go back to work with CAPS 2 times that I know of, to Aruba, about the Monstart pond.  He was with CAPS the whole time, so I don't see where anyone is getting at he went to go and make plans for a pipeline.  CAPS did not come on here to disinform, I can assure you that.  He has worked hard on this case, and there is still more to come that actually entwines with what kermit has put out there.  Again, i can't and won't go into detail.  But as he has told you all, there is reasons why the whole body is NOT in that trap.  Nothing that you haven't already read about here. 

Kermit I do thank you for bringing all this to light, my problem was I didn't know who you were calling grave robbers.  I understand now.  I would love to know the answers as to if we are ever going to know the real truth about who really knows, without a question of doubt, that this is natalee, (I mean we know) but proof so they ALE can't turn back on this.  Proof to go forward with prosecution.  Closure to the family is my only concern, but it would be nice to actually prove for conviction.  Also wanted to add about the blue tarp.  That tarp was on the north coast over by the natural bridge, to the left of it, hanging down the cliff. i got the pictures of this, and called the ale to go and check it out.  it is no longer there.  Can we say.....she was moved again from the cliffs to the trap?  Yes we can.  It was a garbage bag taken near the HI/hut area to begin with, which is where I believe they put her in the cement basin for an over night stay, even Joran stated that he put her there in the mangroves. Note this is where Blondes pics come in. So this moving of the body has been on going.  This picture surfaced somewhere around Easter of 2007.  Val saying a head will roll onto the shore.  why?  I think all these things are finally coming together as we now see.  ALE has been hard at work to keep moving this body, and we all have to wonder why this is.  You'd think they'd want to solve this all.  It all leads back to trying to save 2 people.  King, and Paulus.

Thanx Hotshot.When will the witnesses be brought forth or will they??Arrests.LOL.Hope some are coming!!God Bless you Hotshot...

[Kermit]

Janet-

This is my dinner tonight because I once was very angry at you when you thought Kyle was lying to us.  Sorry!!!

I have to also say, when Janet was questioning Kyle's lying, I could not say anything. I hope you understand.

[Kermit]

Kermit,

Are the leg bones in the cage? Where would they be?




This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage

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IF I recall correctly, Kyle said that some was taken by scavengers. He is the expert and I believed him.

[johan555]

somewere here Klaas ?

[Blue Moon]

There are over 100 people on this site at 3:30 PM on a Monday!

Julia - what do you have to say now????

she is drunk at this time 

Naah, she`s in rehab

and Gielen also on the run 

I for one DO NOT want her on the run. I want her prosecuted with the rest of them for all the vile things she said about Beth, Natalee's mother (along with Julie Renfro).

[klaasend]

Could someone please post the photos on Persistence, the ones with Dolf and Mos and the red shirt guy we think is Silvetti?  I want to do some comparisons.

[Keepthefaith]

There are over 100 people on this site at 3:30 PM on a Monday!

Julia - what do you have to say now????

she is drunk at this time 

Naah, she`s in rehab

and Gielen also on the run 

I for one DO NOT want her on the run. I want her prosecuted with the rest of them for all the vile things she said about Beth, Natalee's mother (along with Julie Renfro).

Will Aruba allow the American media on Devil's island to chase the sweaty man and his possy around the island.Would pay to watch!!LOL

[klaasend]

somewere here Klaas ?

I would say yes 

[johan555]

There are over 100 people on this site at 3:30 PM on a Monday!

Julia - what do you have to say now????

she is drunk at this time 

Naah, she`s in rehab

and Gielen also on the run 

I for one DO NOT want her on the run. I want her prosecuted with the rest of them for all the vile things she said about Beth, Natalee's mother (along with Julie Renfro).

Whow that is good News Blue Moon !!!   

[texasmom]

There are over 100 people on this site at 3:30 PM on a Monday!

Julia - what do you have to say now????

she is drunk at this time 

Naah, she`s in rehab

and Gielen also on the run 

I for one DO NOT want her on the run. I want her prosecuted with the rest of them for all the vile things she said about Beth, Natalee's mother (along with Julie Renfro).

Will Aruba allow the American media on Devil's island to chase the sweaty man and his possy around the island.Would pay to watch!!LOL

Only without their camera equipment!