Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

The more I look, the more I think this is John Silvetti and if it is Silvetti, why would Kyle lie?

I have been calling Kyle a "dupee" instead of a "dupor" the past several days. I was dead wrong! Maybe he didn't start out like that -- but it is quite evident now. I think a few people here owe Kermit an apology.

Thank you wreck.
I honestly feel the same way you all do. NO need for any apologies to me.

Isn't it possible the man in red is Louis Schaefer?  See monkey link pictures here (note the youtubes are no longer available).  Maybe not John Silvetti?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/11/30/rv-persistence-and-louis-schaefer-head-to-aruba-to-search-for-natalee-holloway/

Also, a picture of the first search vessel, in Dutch with Schaefer?   http://www.ihcholland.com/topleft-menu/news-and-events/newspages/kiellegging-3-mei-2007diving-support-offshore-construction-vessel-bij-ihc-holland-merwede-krimpen-bv/

Maybe there is some Dutch link and Silvetti is not involved?  How does one know the man in red is not Louis Schaefer?

imho

[Magnolia]

Do we have any idea where the contents of those plastic bags
are now?  Did they go into that bottomless drawer?
How can Mos say there is no body?  Do I sound like Whiskey?

[Tamikosmom]

I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.

Thanks SS.

Janet

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

SS ... I thought Kyle and the crew were naive regarding taking on this joint venture with the enemy ... the enemy who has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo.  I prayed I was wrong but ... inside I knew that it would come to naught and ... so did private eye.  However ... I never thought for one minute the motives of Kyle and the crew of the Persistence were not sincere.

Janet

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private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

Janet

[SS]

Do we have any idea where the contents of those plastic bags
are now?  Did they go into that bottomless drawer?
How can Mos say there is no body?  Do I sound like Whiskey?

Good questions Mags.  I wonder if ALE could be forced to turn over the evidence to US authorities.  But then again, they could turn over something other than what was found that day just like the fabric sent to the FBI.  They could also say that they were holding the evidence because they were getting close to charging Urine.  I would love to do something that would bring those remains home to Dave and Beth.

[LoRain]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

[SS]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

[Keepthefaith]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

I wasn't gonna touch it SS.You said it best...

[Magnolia]

I would think that Mos himself could face prosecution for
withholding evidence from an investigation.  He was plainly
there on the boat.
Maybe he better pony up the remains.

[Blue Moon]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

 

[AZSunny]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

 

Priceless!!  FLMAO

[Tamikosmom]

Do we have any idea where the contents of those plastic bags
are now?  Did they go into that bottomless drawer?
How can Mos say there is no body?  Do I sound like Whiskey?

Good questions Mags.  I wonder if ALE could be forced to turn over the evidence to US authorities.  But then again, they could turn over something other than what was found that day just like the fabric sent to the FBI.  They could also say that they were holding the evidence because they were getting close to charging Urine.  I would love to do something that would bring those remains home to Dave and Beth.

Considering Aruba is not about to reveal that there was hard evidence to prove that the contents of that cage were related to the Natalee Holloway case ... I do not believe the FBI can do anything.

Mags is right.  If the contents of that cage were related to Natalee Holloway ... it has been filed in the "bottomless drawer" along with all the other evidence in this case.

Janet
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 7:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Dec. 2, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  You know, the entire investigation, that's all we've had is frustration coming out of the officials from Aruba.  You know, evidence—you know when evidence is gathered and lost or evidence is never gathered when it's supposed to be ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/

[Magnolia]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

 

[klaasend]

Everything happens at once.  Renee Geilen's BS documentary, posted at RU:

http://www.nataleedoc.com/

[Tamikosmom]

Everything happens at once.  Renee Geilen's BS documentary, posted at RU:

http://www.nataleedoc.com/

 

Thanks Klaas.

[Blonde]

Do we have any idea where the contents of those plastic bags
are now?  Did they go into that bottomless drawer?
How can Mos say there is no body?  Do I sound like Whiskey?

From what I understand  ALE has them

Oh BTW remember Kyle saying how nice they were

[Frijole]

So what did they do?...bring up all the evidence and then bag it?...I don't seem to be able to see any water in the bags....

I think they sent Julia down to suck all of the water out of the bags before they zipped them shut.

[Blonde]

I have some feelings about the photographs and I wonder if others feel the same way that I do.  If Louis, John, and Kyle had hidden those photographs from ALE so that they could be turned over to Beth, Dave, and US authorities, it would have been a dishonest action, but it would have been in the best interests of everyone.  ALE has been so despicable from day one, and under handed handling of evidence would have been a double standard, but I would have supported it and jumped up and down with cheers.  Unfortunately, that isn't what happened.  The evidence was hidden from Beth, Dave, and the American public and the photographs were never even given to the FBI by members of the Persistence group.  When I hear that there is even a remote possibility that Louis Schafer sold those photographs for big bucks and that Kyle attempted to sell the photographs to networks last February, I just want to scream.  These actions are beyond explanation or justification.

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.

Thanks SS.

Janet

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

SS ... I thought Kyle and the crew were naive regarding taking on this joint venture with the enemy ... the enemy who has denied justice to Natalee Holloway since the getgo.  I prayed I was wrong but ... inside I knew that it would come to naught and ... so did private eye.  However ... I never thought for one minute the motives of Kyle and the crew of the Persistence were not sincere.

Janet

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private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

Janet

From Kyle

The samples were recovered by Aruban divers on the 7th of Jan. These samples include a fabric found inside the trap which was sent for a comparative analysis to the FBI. However, the samples were also reportedly DNA tested. I heard there were remains from a source, who likely referred to DNA as remains, as he said there was DNA found. However, it's rather ambiguous to me, but the take home message from the FBI is simply: they're not commenting on the case and the fabric wasn't Natalee's blouse. I'm unaware of any bone found.
Hope that helps some.

[klaasend]

Kermit - if you have access to BFN I suggest you might want to respond to Eddie's accusation.

[Altruist]

Saw ArtColey up there & thought it a good time while waiting for "Greta" to give a shout out to Art & all other SM members.  How about all SM registered members log in just to go on the record who is here, there are many that have been around for quite awhile.  Glad to be together once again in the pursuit of the truth for Natalee & her deserving family.

PS:  hope all is well & your world is warm for I know your hearts are.  We stand with the girl.

[Magnolia]

I have decided that Kyle wouldn't know the truth if it
jumped up and bit him in the butt.  How many lies have
we caught him in now.  I doubt there ever was a baby
to name Natalee.