Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[BUCKSHOT]

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Since Joran was interviewed by Greta,
It is not an undercover tape...
Joran will not speak candidly, like he would if he did not know he was being taped...
He will speak calculated, like he would if he knows it will be aired worldwide...

I hope it is as explosive as it is being hyped to be...

Wonder if Mos has tried to contact Greta about the tape.
Maybe Joran has contacted Mos.

Sure hope a green frog hops in soon with the approval he/she seeks...
Or, OE(Kyle) saying, "Go ahead, tell what you know."

If OE(Kyle) knows what Kermit knows, then why has OE(Kyle) held info back for so long?

[bleachedblack]

Caps seemed to indicate that part of her might have been taken to the rocks.  Who did the disposal the first night?  Was it Paulass and Voking?  Caps also indicated that Urine washed himself off in the nearby pond.  Is that when he lost the shoe?

Why would JVDS wash himself off in a pond?  Aren't their spigots in Aruba?  Don't they water things around buildings?  The athletic club was nearby, why not go there?  The ocean, aren't there usually showers nearby for salt water swimmers?

Part of her taken to the rocks?  Who spread it around?  If she was at the rocks, what happened there to make such a mess?  Maybe she was still alive?

I don't think anyone would wash off in one of those silty ponds with the ocean right near by. The rock area is not near the pond.Personally I don't think the rocks are significant, just a red herring. MOO

[blah]

Caps seemed to indicate that part of her might have been taken to the rocks.  Who did the disposal the first night?  Was it Paulass and Voking?  Caps also indicated that Urine washed himself off in the nearby pond.  Is that when he lost the shoe?

Why would JVDS wash himself off in a pond?  Aren't their spigots in Aruba?  Don't they water things around buildings?  The athletic club was nearby, why not go there?  The ocean, aren't there usually showers nearby for salt water swimmers?

Part of her taken to the rocks?  Who spread it around?  If she was at the rocks, what happened there to make such a mess?  Maybe she was still alive?

I don't think anyone would wash off in one of those silty ponds with the ocean right near by. The rock area is not near the pond.Personally I don't think the rocks are significant, just a red herring. MOO

Remember, Joran is a +++++++ mongloid who was drinking 151 and on drugs that night and was probably very desperate to get the blood off him so no one would see.  If there were fishermen at the beach, they would see him trying to wash off, etc...


I thinks its plausible that he would wash off in a pond

[cajun miracle]

Wreck, do you still believe what you posted a long time ago? I still think that part of her was found but kept under wraps. I hope that the truth is out soon.

[wreck]

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Since Joran was interviewed by Greta,
It is not an undercover tape...
Joran will not speak candidly, like he would if he did not know he was being taped...
He will speak calculated, like he would if he knows it will be aired worldwide...

I hope it is as explosive as it is being hyped to be...

Wonder if Mos has tried to contact Greta about the tape.
Maybe Joran has contacted Mos.

Sure hope a green frog hops in soon with the approval he/she seeks...
Or, OE(Kyle) saying, "Go ahead, tell what you know."

If OE(Kyle) knows what Kermit knows, then why has OE(Kyle) held info back for so long?

The conflict is that Kermit is accusing the Persistence of NOT providing EVERYTHING they have/know to the FBI and/or family.

[wreck]

Wreck, do you still believe what you posted a long time ago? I still think that part of her was found but kept under wraps. I hope that the truth is out soon.

Absolutely.

[cajun miracle]

Wreck, do you still believe what you posted a long time ago? I still think that part of her was found but kept under wraps. I hope that the truth is out soon.

Absolutely.

Glad that we think alike. Now, when do you feel that the truth will be out?

[wreck]

Wreck, do you still believe what you posted a long time ago? I still think that part of her was found but kept under wraps. I hope that the truth is out soon.

Absolutely.

Glad that we think alike. Now, when do you feel that the truth will be out?

Believe it or not -- this week! The cat is out of the bag -- the snowball is in motion.

[Kermit]

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/











January 7 2008 Aruban dive - inside of trap after evidence collection
 






The following are items can be identified from the pictures above

DID you notice:
*blue denim like fabric - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
*skull/rock/sponge looking item
*blue tarp outside of cage this suggests savenging - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
* raised sandbar that came to rest on items beneath it


QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD BE ASKING
The fbi report did not mention the blue denim fabric. Did they sample something different then what  ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS collected ON JAN. 7th?
THE ARUBAN divers took it all.

Remember, the Aruban investigators turned blood into chocolate!

The Aruban divers were the ONLY divers on the Jan. 7th dive.
Tim Miller was ushered off the boat.
The ROV unbeknown to the divers was filming.
The blue fabric swayed in the current as did another bag containing something very light weight.
The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.


This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage

[cajun miracle]

Wreck, do you still believe what you posted a long time ago? I still think that part of her was found but kept under wraps. I hope that the truth is out soon.

Absolutely.

Glad that we think alike. Now, when do you feel that the truth will be out?

Believe it or not -- this week! The cat is out of the bag -- the snowball is in motion.

Yipppppeeeee! I'm waiting.   

[Kermit]

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the photos posted above.
These were not given to the FBI until recently.

[Keepthefaith]

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/











January 7 2008 Aruban dive - inside of trap after evidence collection
 






The following are items can be identified from the pictures above

DID you notice:
*blue denim like fabric - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
*skull/rock/sponge looking item
*blue tarp outside of cage this suggests savenging - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
* raised sandbar that came to rest on items beneath it


QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD BE ASKING
The fbi report did not mention the blue denim fabric. Did they sample something different then what  ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS collected ON JAN. 7th?
THE ARUBAN divers took it all.

Remember, the Aruban investigators turned blood into chocolate!

The Aruban divers were the ONLY divers on the Jan. 7th dive.
Tim Miller was ushered off the boat.
The ROV unbeknown to the divers was filming.
The blue fabric swayed in the current as did another bag containing something very light weight.
The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.


This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage

 

[Kermit]

Photos given to the FBI sent to Dave and Robin posted on the internet are NOT the photos posted above.
These were not given to the FBI until recently.

oops correction with the thingy

[Kermit]

The last photo is not intended to upset anyone, but I think it clearly shows from the positioning of the skull found inside the cage and material (blue material) found inside that cage that Natalee was found. The grave robbers are the people involved in taking evidence and with holding it.

[wreck]

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/











January 7 2008 Aruban dive - inside of trap after evidence collection
 






The following are items can be identified from the pictures above

DID you notice:
*blue denim like fabric - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
*skull/rock/sponge looking item
*blue tarp outside of cage this suggests savenging - confirmed by Hans Mos and Dolph Richardson
* raised sandbar that came to rest on items beneath it


QUESTIONS YOU SHOULD BE ASKING
The fbi report did not mention the blue denim fabric. Did they sample something different then what  ONLY ARUBAN DIVERS collected ON JAN. 7th?
THE ARUBAN divers took it all.

Remember, the Aruban investigators turned blood into chocolate!

The Aruban divers were the ONLY divers on the Jan. 7th dive.
Tim Miller was ushered off the boat.
The ROV unbeknown to the divers was filming.
The blue fabric swayed in the current as did another bag containing something very light weight.
The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.


This is a picture from Natalee standing on the beach and rotated and scaled to the image to matching the body form inside the trap. It matches the end of the skirt identically to what was seen in the cage

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

[Kermit]

Mum,
What I understand about CAPS is he showed up around the date the Persistence was there, he signed on to sm.
When the photos of the pond were posted John Silvetti got very upset and according to oe, said that Caps was on an ego trip to solve the case and that he was unemployed. Then he sent OE out of the country for work & income.

[Kermit]

Wreck, The answer to your question and what disturbed me greatly was that OE said he did not share it with the FBI. He only gave them the 6 pictures that he accused Red of posting here.

[Tamikosmom]

Frank
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #924 on: November 21, 2008, 06:20:21 PM »

I think the important point regarding Jossy is to take our "feelings" about him out of it. He has done good, but does that mean we shouldn't talk about what he hasn't done.

He spent alot of time, battling tacopina in print, but not van der sloot. He respects van der straaten, why?

Again, we have to remain focused and suspicious of everyone. But if you notice when it comes to the "strangeness" of things around this case, he acts surprised or dumbfounded.

And it wasn't until Joran's undercover video was seen in Aruba did the people get disgusted with the van der sloots.

Nobody down there deserves a pass from the relentless pressure that needs to become permanent. He says the people are indifferent in Aruba and he manages the largest newspaper? What?


++++++++


JOSSY MANSUR

Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


NANCY GRACE
Latest in Search for Natalee Holloway
Aired October 4, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html

[johan555]

Now is the next question kermitt
Who's skull is it ?

[texasmom]

Thank you Kermit.