Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 - 11/24/08

[wreck]

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

I guess you answered. Unconscionable

[Kermit]

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Since Joran was interviewed by Greta,
It is not an undercover tape...
Joran will not speak candidly, like he would if he did not know he was being taped...
He will speak calculated, like he would if he knows it will be aired worldwide...

I hope it is as explosive as it is being hyped to be...

Wonder if Mos has tried to contact Greta about the tape.
Maybe Joran has contacted Mos.

Sure hope a green frog hops in soon with the approval he/she seeks...
Or, OE(Kyle) saying, "Go ahead, tell what you know."

If OE(Kyle) knows what Kermit knows, then why has OE(Kyle) held info back for so long?

OE said that he withheld the information because he was afraid of Louis Schaefer sueing him.
He also said Louis Schaefer is doing a documentary on the Natalee Holloway case.
As you may be aware, Louis Schaefer sold off millions of dollars of his stock in his company and then
bought other companies and filed bankruptcy on them. Is this a good business man or is he a questionable business man?

[wreck]

Kermit,
Can you tell us how you obtained these "missing" photos? ([size=8t]probably not -- but have to ask!)[/size]

[Tamikosmom]

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

I guess you answered. Unconscionable

I am inclined to agree with Beth Holloway's brother ...

Janet
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private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

[Kermit]

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

I guess you answered. Unconscionable

Anyone who wants to be angry and hate me or doubt me I guess it's their prerogative,
 but as you said, "unconscionable" -  that is how I felt. How can a person withhold evidence of what appears to be a cover-up of evidence in a murder.   I was told so many lies, that it became apparent OE was not going to do the right thing.

[Kermit]

Kermit,
Can you tell us how you obtained these "missing" photos? ([size=8t]probably not -- but have to ask!)[/size]

I can not.

[bleachedblack]

OK I see the skull. The position of the body would surely have fit. But where are the rest of the bones? There are many bones larger- such as the pelvic bones that would have remained if a whole person were being placed in the trap.

[blah]

The last photo is not intended to upset anyone, but I think it clearly shows from the positioning of the skull found inside the cage and material (blue material) found inside that cage that Natalee was found. The grave robbers are the people involved in taking evidence and with holding it.

This is the big deal?  These pictures do not clearly show anything.  I'm not convinced thats even a skull.  How can anyone say that is even denim - just because its blue?

[Keepthefaith]

Kermit,
Can you tell us how you obtained these "missing" photos? ([size=8t]probably not -- but have to ask!)[/size]

I can not.

My question is.Mos said he had other witnesses aside from Celeste,as well as the pond witness.Not 2 but 4.Will we hear anything regardin this??

[johan555]

Now is the next question kermitt
Who's skull is it ?

Now is the next question kermit
Who's skull is it ?

[wreck]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

[Kermit]

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

I guess you answered. Unconscionable

I am inclined to agree with Beth Holloway's brother ...

Janet
___________

private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

For me, I think this proves they were covering-up all along right from the beginning.
That is why the searches began away from where Natalee was last seen. And not at the van der Sloot or Kalpoe home. That is why they arrested the innocent Security Guards. That is why the Range Rover confession led to them being released. That is why Dompig didn't return Tim Millers request to dive/search. That is the answer to all our whys?

[Tamikosmom]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

According to Kyle ...

Janet

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Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

[Kermit]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

From what I know, the evidence was taken by the Aruban divers.
Dolph Richardson is in charge
And
Hans Mos.

I don't think revealing this information is going to bring Natalee home. It saddens me greatly. That is what we all worked for. But the cover-up and corruption is so obvious, how can we get truth. Look what I went through just to post this information. Threats, name-calling, Kyle said,  "you just want your 15 minutes of fame" in an email to me.
I mean, come on, doesn't Kyle know that Kermit has been famous since the 80s?
 

[blah]

I must be missing something.

[bleachedblack]

So was CAPS here to distract us from the ocean search? Were we to keep partial, or all attention to the pond and Matty apartments? Maybe those who had more contact with him will know this answer?

[Tamikosmom]

Wow!
Now the $64,000 question -- did the Persistence share ALL this with the FBI??

I guess you answered. Unconscionable

I am inclined to agree with Beth Holloway's brother ...

Janet
___________

private eye (Beth Holloway's Brother)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #499 on: April 09, 2008, 12:39:50 AM »

If I understood Kyle correctly, and that would be that the Arubans retrieved and possessed all finds, not sharing anything with the crew, then that effort was a waste of time and effort. The only thing it could have accomplished was to locate additional evidence for the Arubans to destroy. I am not sure if that was the protocol out of Aruba's waters though. The effort was superb, but the game was fixed.

For me, I think this proves they were covering-up all along right from the beginning.
That is why the searches began away from where Natalee was last seen. And not at the van der Sloot or Kalpoe home. That is why they arrested the innocent Security Guards. That is why the Range Rover confession led to them being released. That is why Dompig didn't return Tim Millers request to dive/search. That is the answer to all our whys?

Ribbit!!

[Kermit]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

According to Kyle ...

Janet

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Oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #744 3/19 -
« Reply #201 on: March 19, 2008, 08:21:47 PM »

We had little option other than to have the Aruban dive division recover the samples and bring them back under their care.  Remember we are Americans working in Aruban waters, subject to their laws, invitation, and blessing.  Our hands are tied for the most part. I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it.   The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap.  From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography.  I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Yes he did tell us that.
He also said that everything Holloway was stripped from the boat by John Silvetti.
And he also said he only sent the 6 pictures he accused Red of posting at SM only to the fbi.
Not the ones posted here now.

[johan555]

Were did they found this cage ?

In the Dutch part of the ocean ?

[Keepthefaith]

So where are Natalee's remains now? With ALE or Schaefer (or both?)

THANK-YOU, KERMIT!!!

From what I know, the evidence was taken by the Aruban divers.
Dolph Richardson is in charge
And
Hans Mos.

I don't think revealing this information is going to bring Natalee home. It saddens me greatly. That is what we all worked for. But the cover-up and corruption is so obvious, how can we get truth. Look what I went through just to post this information. Threats, name-calling, Kyle said,  "you just want your 15 minutes of fame" in an email to me.
I mean, come on, doesn't Kyle know that Kermit has been famous since the 80s?
 

Thank you Kermit.So is it safe to say Beth,as well as Dave are aware of this??