Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 - 11/26/08

[Tamikosmom]

Joran also says this man speaks English, Dutch and Papiemento and that he spoke to him in front of Natalee and it wasn't weird.

It wouldn't be because Paulus had met Natalee a few hours earlier. I believe he took Natalee straight  to the van der sloot residence after C&C's.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

Frank ... I agree.

I believe that Natalee met her demise at the van der Sloot residence.

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

Joran also says this man speaks English, Dutch and Papiemento and that he spoke to him in front of Natalee and it wasn't weird.

It wouldn't be because Paulus had met Natalee a few hours earlier. I believe he took Natalee straight  to the van der sloot residence after C&C's.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

I continue to believe that she was at the VDS compound.  I think it also possible that she was still alive in the morning.  Maybe in the back of the VDS jeep.

There is no reason to believe they wouldn't have tried to dump her while she was hurt and still alive.  Why didn't someone call 911?

If JVDS/PVDS were seen by someone (or more than one) after dumping a body, perhaps they went back, and took the body home (alive or dead) fearing that they would be linked to the body when it was discovered in the morning.

VDS compound number one on my list.  Aruba government (police, judiciary, politicians) number two.

just my humle opinions

[ldstlou]

I just watched the video clips on Fox's OTR about Greta and Joran's latest date.

Greta and Urine,
sitting in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I-N-G.
 

Urine is the same-old, same-old lying van der slut.
I'm-inclined-to-believe-him Greta is an idiot who can't talk straight out her mouth.

How come Greta didn't ask Urine what that boat looked like? Was it a row boat? Was it a skif? From which direction did it come from?

How come Greta didn't pressure Urine for not remembering when he first told someone that he had sold Natalee? That's a pretty big occasion, to admit something of that magnitude to someone else. That is, if that had ever happened.

It's the details that matter, and Greta never seriously pressured Urine for details. When Urine threatened to end the conversation, Greta crumbled and beg Urine to come back and not leave her. Greta is in love.

Urine lies. Greta believes him. Greta is "inclined" to believe Urine, no matter what his latest lies are. Greta is Urine's advocate.

How much of FOX's money did Greta pay Urine for this latest set of lies?
When is FOX going to get rid of Greta?

Greta and Urine sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.

 
You are so correct, in the end she just wants to do him.. lol
 
But what the heck is she supposed to do.. ? she got the interviewand laid.. so ? lol

I thought you had to be at least 18 to post??

I disagree, I think Greta has done a major service for Natalee's family by flying half way around the world to do this interview. We don't know everything that was told to Greta by Joran, and we probably shouldn't or where's the leverage?

[Ono]

Kat, Mum, Ono, Diannah, et al, it is great to see all of you here.  I am hoping that Beth and Dave will have some  resolution, if only in their own minds.

Thanks Tyler!  Great to see you too !!  Love reading your writing also -- so well done, as always.

[Patriot]

I think Joran was high as a kite when he came back from the break with Greta. His demeanor was totally different. much more mellow.

You could see it in his eyes.

[Lala'sMom]

I would caution those that may think there is no value to what Joran is spewing at this time to go back and reconsider.  I know there are those that truly do think there is much to be gleaned from Greta's latest interview. 

Besides, there much Shango in this story...mucho mucho much!   

[ldstlou]

I would caution those that may think there is no value to what Joran is spewing at this time to go back and reconsider.  I know there are those that truly do think there is much to be gleaned from Greta's latest interview. 

Besides, there much Shango in this story...mucho mucho much!   

I agree Lalas, I think there is a lot of truth within his statements to Greta.

[Tamikosmom]

Last night TJ Ward used Layered Voice Analysis during the interview with Joran. The tape / recording is on it's way to the lab shortly for final analysis and to be documented. But I already know the results and I will share them with you. There will be an official report that TJ will email to me in a few days and I will screen capture it, load it to my bucket and post it. It will probably be several pages with the individual results for each question. I imagine it will be quite long, based on the amount of questions asked.

The LVA revealed last night that Joran did not tell the truth about anything. There is no $10,000. There is no mystery man from the casino and the whole thing is just another lie.

There were several questions that Joran did answer truthfully. Those questions were along the lines of;

I talked to Deepak.
I talk to Satish.
And so on. I would call these questions inconsequential.

When I get the results, I'll post them. And this is just to let you know it's probably not worth spending too much time on things that will eventually be proven another lie, but you can certainly do what you wish.

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Here is a youtube page of LVA and how it works.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=layered+voice+analysis&search_type=&aq=f

TJ used this on the original anthrax suspect and it revealed that Hatfield was telling the truth. TJ told the government just that and as we all know the real suspect committed suicide several months ago when he was about to be arrested. It's a powerful tool and goes way beyond the polygraph.

TJ Ward did layered voice analysis to determine whether Junior ... the landfill witness ... was tell the truth.  Guess what?  If this process is accurate ... Natalee Holloway was placed in the landfill on the afternoon of June 2, 2005.

Janet

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Dave Holloway
RED - Scared Monkey Front Page
September 15, 2005
 
Dave Holloway later went on to say that he thought that the pond area/Racquet Club location and the landfill were still points of interest. When asked whether he or the family was ever told that the landfill witness was ever deemed not credible by the LE or Prosecutors office, Dave made it a point to say that he was present when the witness under went a voice analysis and passed it as telling the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/09/15/dave-holloway-returning-to-aruba-tomorrow/

[ldstlou]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

[Frank]

And why exactly did Joran contact Greta?

I find this the most interesting. Maybe money is drying up. Paulus is no big fish as some say, and while he may have coached his son before, this seemed to be the real Joran, the one with a personality disorder, speaking in codes.

I also think that Hitler story is interesting now. It immediately conjures up and image when you use the word "Hitler."

But so does a perverted Dutch Old man wanting to procure a blond.

Joran did not seem smug to me, but at the end of his rope. He lashed out at all the players, the police, the kalpoe's and the man that got him in this mess, his father.

Remember, he thinks he is a victim.

[klaasend]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

I don't think that's what Kermit was saying.  I THINK, Kermit was implying that more was filmed in the cage but that ALE divers removed the evidence.  That was filmed, appeared to look like it could be denim and a body but that we don't know for sure because those items were gathered by the ALE divers and the items not sent to the FBI.  I could be wrong but this is how I was interpreting it.

[BUCKSHOT]

Will HansMos investigate this story?
That will be very telling as to their willingness to want to solve this crime.

[Lala'sMom]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

That supports my source's knowledge also.  But at this point what does it matter?  If there was anything being held back to use as coercion against the Aruban authorities and the Sloot it's all over now.  Sometimes it's not the best idea to rat out your source without knowing all the facts.  I will make this comment and I will not engage it any further...there are law enforcement agencies and government agencies that are above the FBI.  These agencies are more inclined to deal with international incidents and have more resources to do just that without the help of the FBI. The less they know about what is going on the better under the circumstances of all the developments in this case.  Not everyone in every place are trustworthy and that includes our own law enforcement agencies.

[Tamikosmom]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

 

Lou ... I had assumed that Kermit did get clearance from the FBI and Beth Holloway prior to posting those images.

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #972 on: November 23, 2008, 09:49:14 PM »

For 3 1/2 years Monkeys have upheld Beth Holloway's words and actions.  Has Beth ever given us any reason not to trust that her motives are to further the cause of justice for her daughter.

If the FBI does not want pertinent information regarding the case revealed ... then that information should not be revealed.  If the timing is deemed not right for Beth Holloway to share ... then trust Natalee's mother ... the timing is not right.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554777;topicseen#msg554777

[Magnolia]

Will HansMos investigate this story?
That will be very telling as to their willingness to want to solve this crime.
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Hans has a vacation scheduled.
He has taken his web site down.
I would like for somebody to confront him with the trap pictures and
get a response on that.

[ldstlou]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

I don't think that's what Kermit was saying.  I THINK, Kermit was implying that more was filmed in the cage but that ALE divers removed the evidence.  That was filmed, appeared to look like it could be denim and a body but that we don't know for sure because those items were gathered by the ALE divers and the items not sent to the FBI.  I could be wrong but this is how I was interpreting it.

you are probably right, but I thought I read the family was aware of this and would tell all in their own time. Again, I may have read it wrong. I was tired last night.

[ldstlou]

I did not read all of Kermit's posts, but did read through quite a few, and I am offended by what I think was implied, and that is that Natalee's body was found by the Persistance, that Beth and the family are aware that her body was found, and that they are keeping it quiet. I was really offended by the implications, if I am reading them correctly, and I may have misread them and apologize if I did. But I did call Jug this morning with the "theory" and he stated that is as far from the truth as you can get. Beth does NOT have Natalee's body, and has NO KNOWLEDGE of her being found in that cage.

 

Lou ... I had assumed that Kermit did get clearance from the FBI and Beth Holloway prior to posting those images.

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #777 11/21/08 thru
« Reply #972 on: November 23, 2008, 09:49:14 PM »

For 3 1/2 years Monkeys have upheld Beth Holloway's words and actions.  Has Beth ever given us any reason not to trust that her motives are to further the cause of justice for her daughter.

If the FBI does not want pertinent information regarding the case revealed ... then that information should not be revealed.  If the timing is deemed not right for Beth Holloway to share ... then trust Natalee's mother ... the timing is not right.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4159.msg554777;topicseen#msg554777

I will check again.

[johan555]

Will HansMos investigate this story?
That will be very telling as to their willingness to want to solve this crime.

I think they have to arrest Paul and Joran 

[Ono]

Joran also says this man speaks English, Dutch and Papiemento and that he spoke to him in front of Natalee and it wasn't weird.

It wouldn't be because Paulus had met Natalee a few hours earlier. I believe he took Natalee straight  to the van der sloot residence after C&C's.

"you're own father, unbelievable."

Frank ... I agree.

I believe that Natalee met her demise at the van der Sloot residence.

Janet

So do I.   I also still believe she thought she was going back to the Holiday Inn in a taxi with a fellow vacationing student who offered her a ride.

[Lala'sMom]

I hope everyone noticed the Joran is STILL keeping the story at the beach...hmmmm.