Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 - 11/26/08

[ldstlou]

So Kyle GAVE these photos to Kermit????!!! And somehow new evidence was uncovered by Kermit. If Kyle gave them to Kermit, where's the big conspiracy?

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618


So Kyle shares some photos with Kermit, and Kermit turns around and says Kyle is involved in a cover up..thats the bottom line?

No,  the bottom line is that apparently Kyle did not share all of these pictures with the FBI. Why not share them with the FBI and then if he has the copyright, sell them.  Why hold them?  Was he afraid the FBI would ask that they not be released to the public? I think you are chosing to not understand.  We are all trying to help Natalee, perhaps we all look at new information differently.  I have changed my mind a 100 times in the last 3 1/2 years as new information was brought forth.   I really don't care if the pictures are sold/were sold or not, but to me, not providing all of the information to people that we believe are in a positon to help (FBI-Not ALE) is what offends me. 

I still have not been shown any proof that the FBI was not given photos from the taping of the dive where Kyle's photos came from. Where did that come from??? I just can't see Kyle handing over photos to kermit that the FBI had not seen. Why would he do that? How do we know the FBI doesn't have similar photos?

hmmm, do you remember what happened the last time the FBI released photos to Dave?

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Because he didn't want to get sued..I forget if it was by Schaefer,and or Silvetti.Correct me if i'm wrong Klass??Can you refresh on which one???

ok...so of all th people he knows on SM...why did he choose Kermit to tell Beth again?

[Tamikosmom]

SS wrote;

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Yes this is also what I recall.

Me too.

Janet

[Sgt.York]

Is Joran still in Thailand, has Thai LE reviewed the new de Vries tape, and is an arrest for human trafficking immanent? It would be very usesful if USA LE requested Thai LE to question Joran regarding Natalee particularly now that Joran has stated this previous case also involves human trafficking.

[Tamikosmom]

SS wrote;

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Yes this is also what I recall.

Me too.

Janet

Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #779 11/24/08 -
« Reply #532 on: Today at 07:06:45 PM »

From Kyle: May 8, 2008: "I've talked with Peter Shouten numerous times back in February. He hasn't seen anything but knows about the blue fabrics. DeVries and Endemol was interested in purchasing the ROV footage and I was working between them, ABC, and CBS to strike a deal."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4179.msg557660#msg557660


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #558 on: November 24, 2008, 06:11:09 PM »

Kyle sent those 6 pictures to the FBI, Dave asked him for them. He didn't give them to him. The FBI did, then Robin posted them on her webiste and then Kyle accused Red of posting them on SM and they had an argument.

1 - Shaefer sold the rights to these images for BIG BUCKS
 
2 - Kyle tried to sell the rights to those images to major US networks in Feb 2008
 
3 - John Silvetti had plans to open an office on Aruba this past spring.
 
4 - John Silvetti  discounted anything and everything about that fish trap - before anyone even dove on it.
 
5 - Louis Shaefer reorganized his company in JANUARY 2008 - coincidental timing?  Doubtful.
 
6 - Kyle wanted help to get this info to Beth and to the public.  Then he stalled, lied, threatened, to stop that from happening.
 
7 - This information was sent to:  Beth, JQK and the FBI by NO ONE connected to the Persistence search.  EVER.
 
THEY ALL KEPT THIS INFORMATION FROM NATALEE'S FAMILY, AND FROM THE FBI
 
WHY?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555865#msg555865


Kermit
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #408 on: November 24, 2008, 03:59:08 PM »

Tim Miller: In my years of searching we have seen several bodies, skeletal remains--I have seen my own daughter's skeletal remains. I can’t help but believe at this moment that that is human remains in that crab trap.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618

[klaasend]

Is Joran still in Thailand, has Thai LE reviewed the new de Vries tape, and is an arrest for human trafficking immanent? It would be very usesful if USA LE requested Thai LE to question Joran regarding Natalee particularly now that Joran has stated this previous case also involves human trafficking.

Hi Sgt York -  I don't know where Joran is but Peter DeVries has indicated he knows.  Yes, it would be great if Joran were brought in for questioning in Thailand.

[klaasend]

LDSTLOU - remember the photos that Robin posted (or had someone post) at BNH?  They were posted in a private forum but someone emailed them to me?  Those were the first really clear photos we saw of the trap and the photo where we saw what looked like a skull.  Remember?

Well there are other private sites out there where Kyle and others have shared information.  Unfortunately for Kyle and anyone else thinking anything is private, nothing is private.

[tidycat]

Hey monkeys.  Re Natalee's top, IIRC Beth and Natalee went on a brief vacation trip to Florida and bought the top there.  At one time we even knew the name of the store I think. Anybody remember this?

[Keepthefaith]

So Kyle GAVE these photos to Kermit????!!! And somehow new evidence was uncovered by Kermit. If Kyle gave them to Kermit, where's the big conspiracy?

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618


So Kyle shares some photos with Kermit, and Kermit turns around and says Kyle is involved in a cover up..thats the bottom line?

No,  the bottom line is that apparently Kyle did not share all of these pictures with the FBI. Why not share them with the FBI and then if he has the copyright, sell them.  Why hold them?  Was he afraid the FBI would ask that they not be released to the public? I think you are chosing to not understand.  We are all trying to help Natalee, perhaps we all look at new information differently.  I have changed my mind a 100 times in the last 3 1/2 years as new information was brought forth.   I really don't care if the pictures are sold/were sold or not, but to me, not providing all of the information to people that we believe are in a positon to help (FBI-Not ALE) is what offends me. 

I still have not been shown any proof that the FBI was not given photos from the taping of the dive where Kyle's photos came from. Where did that come from??? I just can't see Kyle handing over photos to kermit that the FBI had not seen. Why would he do that? How do we know the FBI doesn't have similar photos?

hmmm, do you remember what happened the last time the FBI released photos to Dave?

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Because he didn't want to get sued..I forget if it was by Schaefer,and or Silvetti.Correct me if i'm wrong Klass??Can you refresh on which one???

ok...so of all th people he knows on SM...why did he choose Kermit to tell Beth again?

That question should be directed at OE(Kyle) don't you think ldstlou??If he doesn't want to clarify that is his decision and i respect that.Me personally.I would be clarifying everything that has been posted here.Monkey's are always willing to listen and take in information,as well as im think constructively analyze what we've been told in as fair a manner as possibly.Don't you think??

[klaasend]

Hey monkeys.  Re Natalee's top, IIRC Beth and Natalee went on a brief vacation trip to Florida and bought the top there.  At one time we even knew the name of the store I think. Anybody remember this?

Yes, it's something like Seaside and I have the link on my other computer.  Thanks for reminding me, I'll go look 

[SS]

So Kyle GAVE these photos to Kermit????!!! And somehow new evidence was uncovered by Kermit. If Kyle gave them to Kermit, where's the big conspiracy?

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618


So Kyle shares some photos with Kermit, and Kermit turns around and says Kyle is involved in a cover up..thats the bottom line?

No,  the bottom line is that apparently Kyle did not share all of these pictures with the FBI. Why not share them with the FBI and then if he has the copyright, sell them.  Why hold them?  Was he afraid the FBI would ask that they not be released to the public? I think you are chosing to not understand.  We are all trying to help Natalee, perhaps we all look at new information differently.  I have changed my mind a 100 times in the last 3 1/2 years as new information was brought forth.   I really don't care if the pictures are sold/were sold or not, but to me, not providing all of the information to people that we believe are in a positon to help (FBI-Not ALE) is what offends me. 

I still have not been shown any proof that the FBI was not given photos from the taping of the dive where Kyle's photos came from. Where did that come from??? I just can't see Kyle handing over photos to kermit that the FBI had not seen. Why would he do that? How do we know the FBI doesn't have similar photos?

hmmm, do you remember what happened the last time the FBI released photos to Dave?

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Because he didn't want to get sued..I forget if it was by Schaefer,and or Silvetti.Correct me if i'm wrong Klass??Can you refresh on which one???

ok...so of all th people he knows on SM...why did he choose Kermit to tell Beth again?

I don't know the answer to that, ldstlou.  Kermit didn't say why Kyle made that choice.

[ldstlou]

LDSTLOU - remember the photos that Robin posted (or had someone post) at BNH?  They were posted in a private forum but someone emailed them to me?  Those were the first really clear photos we saw of the trap and the photo where we saw what looked like a skull.  Remember?

Well there are other private sites out there where Kyle and others have shared information.  Unfortunately for Kyle and anyone else thinking anything is private, nothing is private.

So Kyle posted these photos in a private forum. Was openly discussing them amounst his friends. Knew the background of what happened to Robin who did the same. That makes sense.

From there to Natalee was found in that cage to Kyle helping to cover that up is just too big of a leap for me.

And if you post the photos, why not post all of what Kyle discussed in regards to the photos so we can all see the proof he was involved.

[texasmom]

Just saw a quick summary of the show coming up:

More of the Joran interview

Hammer confronts Paulus in Aruba

Joran's Lawyer (ugghh bet we're gonna see Tacopina)

Beth's Lawyer

Beth Holloway

may have been more, that's what I caught!

[ldstlou]

So Kyle GAVE these photos to Kermit????!!! And somehow new evidence was uncovered by Kermit. If Kyle gave them to Kermit, where's the big conspiracy?

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618


So Kyle shares some photos with Kermit, and Kermit turns around and says Kyle is involved in a cover up..thats the bottom line?

No,  the bottom line is that apparently Kyle did not share all of these pictures with the FBI. Why not share them with the FBI and then if he has the copyright, sell them.  Why hold them?  Was he afraid the FBI would ask that they not be released to the public? I think you are chosing to not understand.  We are all trying to help Natalee, perhaps we all look at new information differently.  I have changed my mind a 100 times in the last 3 1/2 years as new information was brought forth.   I really don't care if the pictures are sold/were sold or not, but to me, not providing all of the information to people that we believe are in a positon to help (FBI-Not ALE) is what offends me. 

I still have not been shown any proof that the FBI was not given photos from the taping of the dive where Kyle's photos came from. Where did that come from??? I just can't see Kyle handing over photos to kermit that the FBI had not seen. Why would he do that? How do we know the FBI doesn't have similar photos?

hmmm, do you remember what happened the last time the FBI released photos to Dave?

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Because he didn't want to get sued..I forget if it was by Schaefer,and or Silvetti.Correct me if i'm wrong Klass??Can you refresh on which one???

ok...so of all th people he knows on SM...why did he choose Kermit to tell Beth again?

That question should be directed at OE(Kyle) don't you think ldstlou??If he doesn't want to clarify that is his decision and i respect that.Me personally.I would be clarifying everything that has been posted here.Monkey's are always willing to listen and take in information,as well as im think constructively analyze what we've been told in as fair a manner as possibly.Don't you think??

I really don't think he owes anyone an explanation. And if he did something wrong, the family and FBI knows now...its all over the boards, I am sure they will get to the bottom of any conspiracy.

I really don't think he should have to defend himself against loose accusations that don't stack up. In my mind, he has proven his loyalty to finding Natalee.

[bleachedblack]

LDSTLOU - remember the photos that Robin posted (or had someone post) at BNH?  They were posted in a private forum but someone emailed them to me?  Those were the first really clear photos we saw of the trap and the photo where we saw what looked like a skull.  Remember?

Well there are other private sites out there where Kyle and others have shared information.  Unfortunately for Kyle and anyone else thinking anything is private, nothing is private.

So Kyle posted these photos in a private forum. Was openly discussing them amounst his friends. Knew the background of what happened to Robin who did the same. That makes sense.

From there to Natalee was found in that cage to Kyle helping to cover that up is just too big of a leap for me.

And if you post the photos, why not post all of what Kyle discussed in regards to the photos so we can all see the proof he was involved.

No Robin posted the photos in a private forum- BNH.......

[klaasend]

LDSTLOU - remember the photos that Robin posted (or had someone post) at BNH?  They were posted in a private forum but someone emailed them to me?  Those were the first really clear photos we saw of the trap and the photo where we saw what looked like a skull.  Remember?

Well there are other private sites out there where Kyle and others have shared information.  Unfortunately for Kyle and anyone else thinking anything is private, nothing is private.

So Kyle posted these photos in a private forum. Was openly discussing them amounst his friends. Knew the background of what happened to Robin who did the same. That makes sense.

From there to Natalee was found in that cage to Kyle helping to cover that up is just too big of a leap for me.

And if you post the photos, why not post all of what Kyle discussed in regards to the photos so we can all see the proof he was involved.

I can't answer those questions because I'm not a member of any of these so called private forums.

[friend of monkeys]

Just saw a quick summary of the show coming up:

More of the Joran interview

Hammer confronts Paulus in Aruba

Joran's Lawyer (ugghh bet we're gonna see Tacopina)

Beth's Lawyer

Beth Holloway

may have been more, that's what I caught!

TEXAS

I made chilli, but now I am worried about gas and acid reflux.


TY for the heads up!

[klaasend]

Click on the screen below to see the video advertising Seaside Florida.  When there are about 40 seconds left in the video you will see a woman wearing the exact same blouse Natalee wore.  I believe it was Tylergal or Anna that found this originally way back in 2005:




Oh - and since we are going to see HAMMER confronting PVDS I think Sweatyrunningman is in order 

[friend of monkeys]

LDSTLOU - remember the photos that Robin posted (or had someone post) at BNH?  They were posted in a private forum but someone emailed them to me?  Those were the first really clear photos we saw of the trap and the photo where we saw what looked like a skull.  Remember?

Well there are other private sites out there where Kyle and others have shared information.  Unfortunately for Kyle and anyone else thinking anything is private, nothing is private.

So Kyle posted these photos in a private forum. Was openly discussing them amounst his friends. Knew the background of what happened to Robin who did the same. That makes sense.

From there to Natalee was found in that cage to Kyle helping to cover that up is just too big of a leap for me.

And if you post the photos, why not post all of what Kyle discussed in regards to the photos so we can all see the proof he was involved.

I can't answer those questions because I'm not a member of any of these so called private forums.

 


BUMP

[Keepthefaith]

So Kyle GAVE these photos to Kermit????!!! And somehow new evidence was uncovered by Kermit. If Kyle gave them to Kermit, where's the big conspiracy?

Click to view recently released photos given to Kermit by Kyle.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg555618#msg555618


So Kyle shares some photos with Kermit, and Kermit turns around and says Kyle is involved in a cover up..thats the bottom line?

No,  the bottom line is that apparently Kyle did not share all of these pictures with the FBI. Why not share them with the FBI and then if he has the copyright, sell them.  Why hold them?  Was he afraid the FBI would ask that they not be released to the public? I think you are chosing to not understand.  We are all trying to help Natalee, perhaps we all look at new information differently.  I have changed my mind a 100 times in the last 3 1/2 years as new information was brought forth.   I really don't care if the pictures are sold/were sold or not, but to me, not providing all of the information to people that we believe are in a positon to help (FBI-Not ALE) is what offends me. 

I still have not been shown any proof that the FBI was not given photos from the taping of the dive where Kyle's photos came from. Where did that come from??? I just can't see Kyle handing over photos to kermit that the FBI had not seen. Why would he do that? How do we know the FBI doesn't have similar photos?

hmmm, do you remember what happened the last time the FBI released photos to Dave?

I recall that Kermit told us a few days ago that Kyle initially had made contact with Kermit because he wanted to turn the photographs over the family and the FBI, and he wanted Kermit's help.  He wanted to expose the information about what the ALE divers had removed from the cage and this is why he shared the information with Kermit.  Kermit said that Kyle then changed his mind.

Because he didn't want to get sued..I forget if it was by Schaefer,and or Silvetti.Correct me if i'm wrong Klass??Can you refresh on which one???

ok...so of all th people he knows on SM...why did he choose Kermit to tell Beth again?

That question should be directed at OE(Kyle) don't you think ldstlou??If he doesn't want to clarify that is his decision and i respect that.Me personally.I would be clarifying everything that has been posted here.Monkey's are always willing to listen and take in information,as well as im think constructively analyze what we've been told in as fair a manner as possibly.Don't you think??

I really don't think he owes anyone an explanation. And if he did something wrong, the family and FBI knows now...its all over the boards, I am sure they will get to the bottom of any conspiracy.

I really don't think he should have to defend himself against loose accusations that don't stack up. In my mind, he has proven his loyalty to finding Natalee.

I think we agree to disagree.I think SM Mod's do a wonderful job moderating and don't think they would let anyone be slander for any reason.I believe SM is also checking to make sure things are not an out an out lie.Correct me if i'm wrong.You asked why and the person that has the answer from my standpoint is OE(Kyle)!

[Tamikosmom]

Coming up in 05 minutes on the Fox Channel ... 7:00 PM PT ... 10:00 PM ET.

On the Record w/ Greta
Tuesday, November 25:

• Natalee Holloway Special Fallout: Reaction to Joran van der Sloot's interview and an 'On the Record' investigation on human trafficking!

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html


I do not get the Fox Channel.  On going updates would be soooo appreciated.

Thank you.

Janet