Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[Ono]

I know there are a lot of people who are and have been suspicious of Jossy, but I've always had the impression that he was doing the best he could for Natalee at any given time.

Those of you who know Easywriter know that for a long time he and Jossy corresponded regularly as friends. Easy used to forward to me emails that Jossy had sent to him that Jossy didn't want shared with the general public. Jossy was not making public statements, simply talking with someone he considered a friend. There was nothing in the emails I saw that would lead me to believe that Jossy was being anything but honest and a friend to Natalee's family. As always, MOO.

I agree...Jossy has been a good friend, imo.

[Keepthefaith]

JQK : Drives a wedge between Aruba and the sloots

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS: You know, the most logical explanation of how Natalee could disappear, absolutely vanish into air within a half hour of being dropped off at the beach with Joran is consistent with what he said. And all the other evidence points towards it, too, that she was led down to the fisherman's hut, she was led to the shore, you know, alive, well, and led onto a small sports utility vehicle, and you know, very willingly got on board and before she knew what was happening and Joran didn't get on board, you know, the boat took off and she was subdued eventually...And the other thing is -- let me just add, Greta, you know, Aruba is a tourist island. Their commerce -- they can survive if the story is -- you know, is one aberrant act by a young man who got caught up and panicked on an accidental death of a young girl there. That they can live with. But you know, for several young men conspiring and plotting and putting someone into human trafficking, adults covering it up, law enforcement covering it up, government officials looking away, that's something Aruba can't survive.

Short of a devastating hurricane, can one imagine any more conclusive tourism industry death blow than this?

I don't know whether JQK, or any of the informed players, really believes this human trafficking story.  But JQK uses this as a basis to slam Aruba -- big time.

And this is a point where the sloots interests, and the interests of Aruba, diverge significantly.  And Kelly is driving a wedge between the two and separating the competing interests and setting them up in opposition.

The sloots likely springboarded into the trafficking story, as a way to distance themsleves from direct implication in a murder, etc. -- but by taking the path they have chosen (trafficking), they have put Aruba in an even more dangerous place.  Who would consider Aruba as a "family-friendly" tourist destination when young girls are kidnapped off beaches and sold to men in boats -- never to return?

Kelly and the Holloway family want Mos to get off his ass and get this investigation moving -- they are doing so by setting up the sloots and Aruba for a fight.  And the best part is that the sloots handed this to everyone on a silver platter, by "volunteering" the trafficking story, and providing strong corroboration via the goon's recent adventures in the Thai sex slave scene.

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I agree this Trafficking young girls is a horrible senario for Aruba,as well i believe everyone involved believe's she's not alive!For me.The other angle for Greta,as well as the Monkey's is.The Judicial in Aruba believes,and or knows she's dead.The problem is the last people seen with her are saying "She may be ALIVE".

Check-mate???
1.You keep the investigation alive due to the potential of the victim being alive??
2.Turn over all evidence as to why Aruba judicial believe's she is DEAD??
3.Or.You don't investigate anything at all.Which is probably the route of Aruba..

[martini]

[Ono]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

[Keepthefaith]

TM...do your recall when and where that was...any chance the HI on June 10th? TIA

Sorry mum, I'm not sure.  But I think if you're not right, you're very close.

The first time this image appeared ... five days following Natalee's disappearance ... it was associated with the following article.  The photo no longer appears on the page.

This photo was my mainstay when the trolls who posted on the forum at CourtTV ... the trolls who later broke away and formed RU ... implied that Beth was not acting like a grieving mother.

Janet

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Three Probed in Missing Teen Case
Saturday, June 04, 2005

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html

I posted at Court Tv for quite sometime tamikosmom.Depending when you were on you'd definitley know who i was.Think about the one guy who was battling all those Joran supporters.Maybe it'll ring a bell maybe not...LOL

[johan555]

Just in Hart van Nederland: they have compared old material of PvdSloot with this new recording. Their conclusion: FAKE! It’s a totally different accent (for example no so called soft G - very typicly -which is spoken in regions below the Rhine in the NL’s.).

OM on Aruba won’t comment either.

Paul is from brabant 

[Keepthefaith]

Hammer,

You're right on. Kelly may or may not believe the trafficking story, but it's perfect to go with it for the sake of pressure.

I hope he lobbies our government to use this information to put a ban on travel to Aruba.

Aruba needs to prove how they know Natalee's dead.

Where's Jossy? He was the one who had a reporter chasing what they thought was Natalee in Venezuela in the first weeks.

And if they don't think she is???What are you doing to find her??

Check-mate???Or more mud in the face,as well as a decrease in tourism.Why go to a cesspool??????????

[Anna]

I certainly agree that a rift of sorts between the Sloots and TPTB in Aruba could result in some movement at last on the part of the OM and/or judiciary that is unfavorable to the Sloots.  Paulus has already been warned and given a public admonishment.

However, be that as it may, I think the BIG NEWS in all this latest stunt is Joran setting up his father for exposure certainly to highly questionable behavior at best.

And more so if the tape is fake.  That would mean Joran is actually setting Paulus up.

Now THAT could really result in information coming forward that has not in the past.  Joran vs Paulus in seeing who can implicate the other the most in Natalee's disappearance.

I for one have always thought the day would come when Joran would turn on Paulus for the bad advice Paulus gave Joran in encouraging him to lie.  There must have really been something in it for Paulus to have encouraged Joran to do that. 

Is Joran now punishing Paulus for not sending money or is it payback time for Dad?  Either way, wouldn't want to be Paulus right now. 

JMO

Oh, and the downside of all this is that there were absolutely NO laws against corruption at the time all this went down in Aruba.  They did attend a conference along with emerging African nations on setting up some of those but don't know if they ever got around to it.  Keep in mind that they are running years behind in enacting actual laws since declaring themselves autonomous.  Isn't that convenient!

[Keepthefaith]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

We all know Casino's and how many cameras they have.If that isn't Paulus sittin there they would have turned those tapes over long ago.Cameras everywhere!!

[bastibro]

Just in Hart van Nederland: they have compared old material of PvdSloot with this new recording. Their conclusion: FAKE! It’s a totally different accent (for example no so called soft G - very typicly -which is spoken in regions below the Rhine in the NL’s.).

OM on Aruba won’t comment either.

Paul is from brabant 

Of course it`s fake Johan.
One thing is sure, thats not Paulas voice, unfortunately.
Joran did clearly fabric his own little story

[Keepthefaith]

JQK : Drives a wedge between Aruba and the sloots

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS: You know, the most logical explanation of how Natalee could disappear, absolutely vanish into air within a half hour of being dropped off at the beach with Joran is consistent with what he said. And all the other evidence points towards it, too, that she was led down to the fisherman's hut, she was led to the shore, you know, alive, well, and led onto a small sports utility vehicle, and you know, very willingly got on board and before she knew what was happening and Joran didn't get on board, you know, the boat took off and she was subdued eventually...And the other thing is -- let me just add, Greta, you know, Aruba is a tourist island. Their commerce -- they can survive if the story is -- you know, is one aberrant act by a young man who got caught up and panicked on an accidental death of a young girl there. That they can live with. But you know, for several young men conspiring and plotting and putting someone into human trafficking, adults covering it up, law enforcement covering it up, government officials looking away, that's something Aruba can't survive.

Short of a devastating hurricane, can one imagine any more conclusive tourism industry death blow than this?

I don't know whether JQK, or any of the informed players, really believes this human trafficking story.  But JQK uses this as a basis to slam Aruba -- big time.

And this is a point where the sloots interests, and the interests of Aruba, diverge significantly.  And Kelly is driving a wedge between the two and separating the competing interests and setting them up in opposition.

The sloots likely springboarded into the trafficking story, as a way to distance themsleves from direct implication in a murder, etc. -- but by taking the path they have chosen (trafficking), they have put Aruba in an even more dangerous place.  Who would consider Aruba as a "family-friendly" tourist destination when young girls are kidnapped off beaches and sold to men in boats -- never to return?

Kelly and the Holloway family want Mos to get off his ass and get this investigation moving -- they are doing so by setting up the sloots and Aruba for a fight.  And the best part is that the sloots handed this to everyone on a silver platter, by "volunteering" the trafficking story, and providing strong corroboration via the goon's recent adventures in the Thai sex slave scene.

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Great post Hammer. Where is Hans Mos? Where is his statement? Did he not lie to the media when he said what Greta had was old news? Hans needs to come out and address the topic of human trafficking in Aruba. Hans needs to address the new news Greta has uncovered and let the world know if he plans on investigating it.

Hans also lied to the media when he said he stayed in touch with the family and their lawyer. According to Beth and JQK he hasn't. Hans is a liar.

It looks more and more like the cover-up comes from Holland. They sent him to Aruba. They have done nothing to correct his inaction in the case. Holland's silence is an endorsement of Hans Mos.

Where is Hans Mos? Is he meeting with his Dutch judge buddies to concoct a story on why Joran's new statements to Greta don't mean anything? Does he still defend the Kalpoes? Inquiring minds want to know.

Check-mate  again.If this is old news to Mos about Trafficking and he doesn't care that she may be alive,although i don't believe she is,WOWWWWW...Keep puttin your head in the sand!!

[MumInOhio]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

[always 1]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

Me.

[BUCKSHOT]

Han Mos just announced that all of the recent publicity to this case is starting to stress him out. Furthermore, he went on to say that he needs to take an extra week vacation. He will also be closing the case soon. He said everybody is lying too much and it is making him sick to his stomach.

 

[martini]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

[bastibro]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

No, i think it means nothing. He knew there WOULD be a lot of speculating about this and is just setting out more BULL stories which lead to a dead end. Thats my honest opinion.

[bastibro]

Han Mos just announced that all of the recent publicity to this case is starting to stress him out. Furthermore, he went on to say that he needs to take an extra week vacation. He will also be closing the case soon. He said everybody is lying too much and it is making him sick to his stomach.

 

Yeah, he is sick already, in the HEAD! 

[GrannyToad]

WHAT can be so important to keep covering up?

Big People.

Whatever it was Joran did, as a youth, Joran would have done a few prison years by now and have only a few years to go until he's released.

Big People.

Or is Joran so arrogant that he thinks that the miserable life he leads is worth it all and he's gotten away with murder?

[texasmom]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

We all know Casino's and how many cameras they have.If that isn't Paulus sittin there they would have turned those tapes over long ago.Cameras everywhere!!

Exactly!  

[johan555]

Just in Hart van Nederland: they have compared old material of PvdSloot with this new recording. Their conclusion: FAKE! It’s a totally different accent (for example no so called soft G - very typicly -which is spoken in regions below the Rhine in the NL’s.).

OM on Aruba won’t comment either.

Paul is from brabant 

Of course it`s fake Johan.
One thing is sure, thats not Paulas voice, unfortunately.
Joran did clearly fabric his own little story

I think that Joran and his team have a kind of strategy.