Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[Keepthefaith]

Tylergal,

Most of her publications were more or less just a string of ads for escort services, both male and female, and massage parlor type things.  Couple of flimsy articles thrown in to make it look good.  So bad most would not even want their children to see these publications so one would have to think she certainly knew the "right" people for this sort of activity.

Also we had the allegation that even Joran was active participant in such activity.  Now she come out so strangely defensive of him and the PIMPs in general.  What else can one think?

I always wondered if perhaps the friend who worked for the HI casino and Joran were "models" (to put it nicely) for some kind of sleazy business.  They spent way too much money for a judge in training family with three children in private school who made frequent and regular trips to the USA and Europe.

Follow the money.That's why Greta wants bank records supeonad.It won't happen though...

[Edward]

I too often refer to Paulus as a Chess Player.. He is Good Too.

Interpol is already involved with the investigation on an international level and Luis Mansur brought them in.. This may allow Interpol to look at Joran and his possible involvement with L.M. on the night in question.. They also have the right to look at Joran for Human trafficking.

The trolls at RU.. LOL ...Hell am I a Troll ? 
There are many good people and Beth supporters there also..
and Robin wrapped Trolls around her on her new site BNH, where she told ME she felt more comfortable..  That has always lead me to believe that some sort of law enforcement started up that particular site "Interpol or F.B.I." To keep a close eye on some of these supposed Troll posters.. Everyone always wondered WHO Reality really is..  Mr. EyeSpy him/her/self.

Finally.. I had one of the people there at RU. who is from Aruba, I have talked with this person since day 5, when we met at VisitAruba.com  This person knows each and every person mentioned in this story and has proven that to me over time with correct info prior to news reports.  This person told me his/her sister works in that particular casino and she talked with this fellow who was chatting with Natalee at the table.. She said he was NOT Paulus.. and that Posner has to respect the privacy of Players and that All casinos do this.. Privacy of player.
I never did believe that. But who knows..
 This person has always brought forward correct info.

Then there is the question as to WHY all this happened ? WHY NOW. ?

My opinion is We are being played. They are just using Greta.
WHY ? This was almost over for Joran.. ?
He plays Greta months prior to Devries supposedly catching him.. ?
 Which is probably just another Play on the part of Paulus.
All of it is just propaganda designed to confuse and therefore obscure the truth..

I also have Early info that suggests that a girl was requested..In Venezuela, I even warned the US Emabassy about that in Caracas... My computer was also attacked 2 weeks later..
To read that today eats at me now.. 3.5 yaears later
 But I still have to assume that Joran or Another hidden Male Murdered Natalee on the night in question.. I still believe the person is L.M.



Wednesday, July 27, 2005
Luis M. Mansur
Oranjestad, ARUBA
Description: Living in Aruba. Maried for 14 years. 4 kids, oldest is a boy 12 and triplets 3years old, one boy two girls. I am currently working as the astnt. director at the islands largest newspaper (DIARIO),also own a construction company.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/just_some_case_.html

Royal Cabana Casino shut its doors Monday [March 5] 12 noon when operator Nathan Katz, Managing Director, Aruba Leisure & Gaming, handed the keys over to owner/landlord Luis Mansur.
According to Nathan Katz, in 1999, the Royal Cabana Casino had asked to renegotiate its lease agreement with the owner/landlord. The negotiations later proceeded with the timeshare owners association, La Cabana All Suite Beach Resort Coop, yet while the process looked successful for a while, Katz reports that at the end Aruba Leisure & Gaming felt that the agreement reached was too severe and too detrimental to the viable operations of the casino.
 I had no choice but hand over the keys..
My home is here, Katz reiterated, my kids love it here, and I am staying to take care of my obligations to the best of my ability.
Observers report that meanwhile Luis Mansur and a team made up of former employees and newly recruited casino executives has taken over the casino
 http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter46.html
 
We have a name for that in the United States.. 

May 26, 2006
Five members of the Mansur family, who have Dutch citizenship and business interests in Aruba, filed suit in Miami-Dade Circuit Court in March alleging that Podhurst partner Katherine Ezell mishandled their lawsuit against two family members entrusted with managing Terminal Island in Miami Beach.
This allowed the investment managers of the property, brothers Luis and Elias Mansur, to abscond with the profits from the island's $15 million sale in May 2004.
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1148547934537
 
Luis got clean away with it..What A CON MAN  Where is the money ?? 



September 24, 2007

Today in Aruba, some 120 police officers from ALE, KLPD, Antillean Arrest Team and Dutch investigators arrested Luis Mansur, brother of Jossy Mansur and 8 other persons in connection with money laundering, drug trafficking, bribery and other charges.
 
The special squad was called in to assist in the arrest of some dangerous armed suspects.  Because the operation was so big, also the special squad from Curacao was called in to help their colleagues in Aruba.  Also special sniffer dogs of the Corps National Police Service (KLPD) from the Netherlands were put in to search for hidden drugs and money.  One of the suspects is the well-known businessman Luis Mansur (63), who fired his gun when the police entered his home.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/10/25/more-arrests-in-aruba-in-criminal-drug-gangs-good-police-work-in-aruba-so-what-happened-in-the-natalee-holloway-case/



A nice home on the Golf course looking at the lighthouse ..

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about11297-0-asc-0.html


A snip from a early prediction.. Reading  6/04/05


They drove left after
exiting the bar through the town and
began the ascent on a hilly, curving
street.  They arrived at a nice house that
overlooks the town to a certain degree
(not too high). It is owned by a white
male, possibly American or European.
They tried to regain her trust and put on
an atmosphere of innocent fun and a
party.  She was drugged with a local
ecstasy substitute.  The other men left
and she hardly noticed. 

The white male repeated raped her.  "A Small part left out.."
She was innocent to
some of this and became hysterical. 
She was so out of control that he
strangled her with his bare hands.  He
called an employee at about 3:30AM.

The young, short male (a local) in a red
tee shirt and tan shorts arrived at 4:
20AM to get rid of the body.  Her naked
body was wrapped in a blanket and put
in his car. The white male was so
confident he would not be caught; her
clothes were put in the local trash bin for
pick up. 

So Natalee was taken on the fishing
boat out to sea.  The young male
navigated the marina and then drove at
about 35 mph for 32 minutes straight
out to sea from the marina.  He
weighted the body with techniques
known by fisherman (sewing through
the bone above the wrist??) and pushed
it overboard. 

Her body floats in the water not so deep
that it is dark but more of a mid to light
place.

http://www.mythforlife.com/qtr_2nd_05.html

Did you even realize how involved Luis really is in Casinos and Dario.

 

[MumInOhio]

IMO the tape does not sound like either Joran or Paulus. We have heard their voices plenty... I do not know who these people are, but they are not Joran and Paulus.

Maybe one was Arjan (sp)?

[Anna]

Greta said she would present more NEXT Monday night.

I wonder why the delay.  Guess she plans to spend Thanksgiving with her family etc. but wish she would just present everything she has before doing so.

[johan555]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

SIMPLETON

you forget his " Heineken hummock " Klaas 

[Lala'sMom]

My one point of interest in Joran's human traficking scenario is this....

Who was Joran's contact in the Netherlands should he have managed to procure those women in Thailand?  He could not have been sending them there with no one on the other end of the deal.

There were none Lala`s.
Joran thought Arjan was the pimp, who was undercover for Peter de Vries.

Thanks.  I was having trouble with that part.  Could not figure out who it was that Joran was making contact with in the Netherlands.

[Lala'sMom]

We shouldn't be surprised Taco referred to Paulus as a simpleton...after all Joran describes him the same way in one of his PVs.  Just goes to show you don't have to be smart to be a judge in Aruba...no wonder things are as they are.  The criminals are more intelligent than the law. LMAO!!

[bastibro]

IMO the tape does not sound like either Joran or Paulus. We have heard their voices plenty... I do not know who these people are, but they are not Joran and Paulus.

Maybe one was Arjan (sp)?

I`m (almost) certain they were both Joran`s voice.  I would die to make it Paulas but unfortunately . . 

[Tylergal]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

SIMPLETON

you forget his " Heineken hummock " Klaas 

A not-very-memorable little package, perhaps the reason.

[Anna]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

[Lala'sMom]

Has anyone seen Freddy lately?  Maybe he would talk for money too.

[Tylergal]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

Is he taking another fall on behalf of Paulus.  Shrugging shoulders here.

[GrannyToad]

Per Anita wasn't it, Joran said to effect, "Mama if you'd been here this wouldn't have happened.".

The point is that we have known Joran as a manipulator, an emotional blackmailer, since he was 17. And it didn't begin that day, he'd been taught to practice blackmail for years.

Joran was never required to evolve past 2 years old: ME ME ME ME ME

[MumInOhio]

Caps thought he was…Darn always a step ahead of me...LOL

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #774 11/14/08 thru
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2008, 03:05:14 AM » Caps
 
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4101.0
 
Hi to all Monkey Friends,

I am not MIA but in a Mission, a Lot of loose ends has been tied now and ends that were false has been cleared,

1. Cover for Daddy. He is now blackmailing Daddy for Money. Daddy is in a locked checkmate.

On the Night in Question, after all was over,

2. Their decision after no solution was found on how to get rid of the body, Joran begin to cut it in peaces,

part of the body was trown near the shark area.

3. The rest was burried in several location.

4. the pond is also a burial place and the part of the body is in the pond with the sneaker......


on the Gielen movie, it is being reviewed by people that where there on the day of her Arrival.. This is to compare timeline...There is a key person that can veryfied the timeline.....he was there on site...from the getgo.


Almost done with the puzzel...


remember, keep up the research work and never give up.


CAPS
 

[bastibro]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

Is he taking another fall on behalf of Paulus.  Shrugging shoulders here.

Arjan and Joran were long time on-line pokerfriends. At one point Joran started talking about the woman trafficking.
That`s when Arjan contacted Peter de Vries and they set up a sting to get Jorans plans on tape.

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
That is a good catch.  Wonder how he knew that? 

[Lala'sMom]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

Is he taking another fall on behalf of Paulus.  Shrugging shoulders here.

Arjan and Joran were long time on-line pokerfriends. At one point Joran started talking about the woman trafficking.
That`s when Arjan contacted Peter de Vries and they set up a sting to get Jorans plans on tape.

How much does Peter pay these people to set up Joran?  With the way Joran can't keep his mouth shut it could become a lucrative business.

[Poochy]

Edward:

I've read so many of your posts here about L.M. and because I don't think you read on the Codetalker thread I'm posting this here (ok, nobody hit me!)

A friend of mine who lurks here sent me this EVP info taken from the coffeepotghost.com. Just thought I'd share w/ya (the last one is interesting - check the dates!) Apparently 'the party_woman' was in response to the EVP 'who is Sandrak'.

10APRIL2007_itc_rev_10_LOUIES_THE_ONE_THATS_HIDDEN.wav
12MAR2007_itc_rev17_WELL_CALL_OUT_LOUIE_AND_THE_PARTY_WOMAN.wav
12MAR2007_itc_rev16_ITS_LOUIE,  _EDWARD.wav

Ok - carry on!

[AZSunny]

It was fun watching Greta's sparring match with Joe T.   He really came unglued.   

Joe T has been reduced to describing his clients Joran a "sociopath" and Paulus as a "simpleton."

Don't you love it!!  and we have known it all along!

[AZSunny]

Even in the tapes with Patrick, Joran was always so careful to insist Paulus was totally not involved.

Now suddenly he produces not one but three tapes allegedly showing that Paulus knew about human trafficking?  Gave chip to Greta, even?

At the least, this is the royal shakedown. 

Paulus is getting on with his life while Joran is exiled to Thailand which is in the throes of near civil war at the moment.  Can't return to NL and not welcome in Aruba.  When Paulus said no body, no case, he didn't tell Joran about this part and I think Joran resents that tremendously.

Joran could have taken Uncle Jan's offer of a couple of years in mental facility then become "cured" and released and this would all be behind him.  Instead he listened to Paulus and denied all.  Look where that got him.  Paulus should pay in Joran's mind.
Otherwise, why the sudden shift on the fact that Paulus knew more than he told the authorities?

Maybe this is his new plan...