Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[Edward]

Edward:

I've read so many of your posts here about L.M. and because I don't think you read on the Codetalker thread I'm posting this here (ok, nobody hit me!)

A friend of mine who lurks here sent me this EVP info taken from the coffeepotghost.com. Just thought I'd share w/ya (the last one is interesting - check the dates!) Apparently 'the party_woman' was in response to the EVP 'who is Sandrak'.

10APRIL2007_itc_rev_10_LOUIES_THE_ONE_THATS_HIDDEN.wav
12MAR2007_itc_rev17_WELL_CALL_OUT_LOUIE_AND_THE_PARTY_WOMAN.wav
12MAR2007_itc_rev16_ITS_LOUIE,  _EDWARD.wav

Ok - carry on!

Thank You..   


SandraK is probably Sarah M.  .. Who really knows.. lol

 

I just want people to stay awake and alert ..The world needs more lerts..

Continue on..

[nonesuche]

You mean I missed a sparring match between Greta and Joe T 

I'm working too much, I guess all I can hope for is a replay on Youtube?

[Anna]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

Is he taking another fall on behalf of Paulus.  Shrugging shoulders here.

Arjan and Joran were long time on-line pokerfriends. At one point Joran started talking about the woman trafficking.
That`s when Arjan contacted Peter de Vries and they set up a sting to get Jorans plans on tape.

Thank you, Bastibro.

So Arjan and Peter would really have no way of knowing if this was Joran's first venture in this regard.  Seems they may think so? 

But I have to wonder since he has been using the term "loverboy" etc. and other pimp references since he began expressing these aspirations before we encountered him at the ripe old age of 17.

If his latest endeavor was in fact thwarted, I suppose also he has no choice but to demand more money from Paulus.

And the word out of Bangkok today is not good at all with regard to the protesters and civil unrest.  I think the airport is still closed down and they control it.  Maybe many flights to foreign countries have to go through Bangkok the way they do Atlanta here?  Don't know the condition of the rest of the country but he may be under curfew which would definitely be a bummer for him.

[texasmom]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

[AZSunny]

You mean I missed a sparring match between Greta and Joe T 

I'm working too much, I guess all I can hope for is a replay on Youtube?

Hi None, 

Yes you did and it was more than we could ever have hoped for in a sparring match!

I hope you are well.

[johan555]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

[San]

Who thinks that Joran is trying to blackmail Paulus? TIA

I don't believe that he is trying to blackmail Paulus.

[Frank]

Edward,

Your wrote:

Finally.. I had one of the people there at RU. who is from Aruba, I have talked with this person since day 5, when we met at VisitAruba.com  This person knows each and every person mentioned in this story and has proven that to me over time with correct info prior to news reports.  This person told me his/her sister works in that particular casino and she talked with this fellow who was chatting with Natalee at the table.. She said he was NOT Paulus.. and that Posner has to respect the privacy of Players and that All casinos do this.. Privacy of player.
I never did believe that. But who knows..
 This person has always brought forward correct info.

So you're saying that a person you know has a sister who knows someone? Is that 3rd or 4th hand information? And defending Mr. Posner's etiquette?

We can see the picture for ourselves. It's Paulus. I mean really have we lost all sense of logic? It is not a coincidence, Natalee was pointing to Joran.

I'll take my eyes over 4th hand information from a Posner employee. Although I believe Jossy has actually done some investigative work and said it was Paulus.

[texasmom]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

awwwww come on Johan!!!!!  Tell us!!!!!  You know that nothing will shock us when it comes to her!   

[martini]

So were the Thai girls Joran was caught on tape with his very first effort in this regard?  That doesn't seem likely to me since he had business cards already printed and the routine established.

He would have to have someone on the other end of the deal to receive the girls, etc.

If it was his first effort, how would DeVries have even known to try to record Joran doing this?

Doesn't make sense this was his only effort at this.

Is he taking another fall on behalf of Paulus.  Shrugging shoulders here.

Arjan and Joran were long time on-line pokerfriends. At one point Joran started talking about the woman trafficking.
That`s when Arjan contacted Peter de Vries and they set up a sting to get Jorans plans on tape.

Law of Karma: all deeds that one is responsible for... Joran do you want to remove the bad Karma from your life? Call 1-800-HELP-Aruba or just tell the truth. 

[Blonde]

Joran accepted an advance payment of $1,275 for his services from the Thai girls. Authorities said van der Sloot has not been seen since he was spotted leaving a party Friday night in Bangkok. Lawyer J.P. Plasman said prosecutors could press charges against van der Sloot for accepting the money. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/10/Holloway_suspect_taped_with_sex_workers/UPI-52511226358499/

An after thought~ maybe the chip/ recorded tape with Joran and his father was about the Thai incident and then the tape was altered to add "the girl" seeming it was about Natalee.
What is the timeline? Did Greta receive the recorded conversation before the Thai incident? Thanks!
 

Hmm you know I never thought of that I wonder.

[johan555]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

awwwww come on Johan!!!!!  Tell us!!!!!  You know that nothing will shock us when it comes to her!   

She is the Aruban Xaviera Hollander

[Tamikosmom]

TM...do your recall when and where that was...any chance the HI on June 10th? TIA

Sorry mum, I'm not sure.  But I think if you're not right, you're very close.

The first time this image appeared ... five days following Natalee's disappearance ... it was associated with the following article.  The photo no longer appears on the page.

This photo was my mainstay when the trolls who posted on the forum at CourtTV ... the trolls who later broke away and formed RU ... implied that Beth was not acting like a grieving mother.

Janet

_________


Three Probed in Missing Teen Case
Saturday, June 04, 2005

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html

I posted at Court Tv for quite sometime tamikosmom.Depending when you were on you'd definitley know who i was.Think about the one guy who was battling all those Joran supporters.Maybe it'll ring a bell maybe not...LOL

I stubbled on the site just by accident about a week following Natalee Holloway's disappearance.  I had recently taken an early retirement and ... was experimenting with the internet.  The day of discovery was the beginning of what is now a 3 1/2 year addition.

 

Anyways ... what was you nic Keepthefaith.

It is a shame that somehow the mod "accidently" clicked a wrong key and ... ALL THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY POSTS WENT "POOF".  ALL MY RESEARCH WENT "POOF".

 

That was the day I joined BFN and ... that is day I began to save all my research in my document files prior to sharing.  My association with BFN ... that is another story ... good and bad.

Anyways ... what was you nic Keepthefaith.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

TM...do your recall when and where that was...any chance the HI on June 10th? TIA

Sorry mum, I'm not sure.  But I think if you're not right, you're very close.

The first time this image appeared ... five days following Natalee's disappearance ... it was associated with the following article.  The photo no longer appears on the page.

This photo was my mainstay when the trolls who posted on the forum at CourtTV ... the trolls who later broke away and formed RU ... implied that Beth was not acting like a grieving mother.

Janet

_________


Three Probed in Missing Teen Case
Saturday, June 04, 2005

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,158598,00.html

I posted at Court Tv for quite sometime tamikosmom.Depending when you were on you'd definitley know who i was.Think about the one guy who was battling all those Joran supporters.Maybe it'll ring a bell maybe not...LOL

I stubbled on the site just by accident about a week following Natalee Holloway's disappearance.  I had recently taken an early retirement and ... was experimenting with the internet.  The day of discovery was the beginning of what is now a 3 1/2 year addition.

 

Anyways ... what was you nic Keepthefaith.

It is a shame that somehow the mod "accidently" clicked a wrong key and ... ALL THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY POSTS WENT "POOF".  ALL MY RESEARCH WENT "POOF".

 

That was the day I joined BFN and ... that is day I began to save all my research in my document files prior to sharing.  My association with BFN ... that is another story ... good and bad.

Anyways ... what was you nic Keepthefaith.

Janet

Actually used my real name..Think i was the only one.Named after a Saint..LOL.Very bizarre.Went back there a day or ago and my post count was down from around 1200 posts to about 420???Who really is in charge of that forum.The Trolls i believe.Seemed as if the Mods were from Aruba.LOL

[bastibro]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

awwwww come on Johan!!!!!  Tell us!!!!!  You know that nothing will shock us when it comes to her!   

She is the Aruban Xaviera Hollander

Yep, as they say "One happy Hooker"

[Blonde]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

[martini]

The moral in the fable "cry wolf" ~ Even when liars tell the truth, they are never believed. The liar will lie once, twice, and then perish when he tells the truth. 

[texasmom]

Be right back Johan and Bastibro, I think I need google assistance!   

[texasmom]

Be right back Johan and Bastibro, I think I need google assistance!   

Yes, you guys are probably right.   

Wonder if Aruba's version will follow the same path as this one did around 1997? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xaviera_Hollander

[texasmom]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde!