Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[bleachedblack]

You mean I missed a sparring match between Greta and Joe T 

I'm working too much, I guess all I can hope for is a replay on Youtube?

Hi Nones

.......it begins at approx. 2:43.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9s8LDB4JT0

[Edward]

Edward,

Your wrote:

Finally.. I had one of the people there at RU. who is from Aruba, I have talked with this person since day 5, when we met at VisitAruba.com  This person knows each and every person mentioned in this story and has proven that to me over time with correct info prior to news reports.  This person told me his/her sister works in that particular casino and she talked with this fellow who was chatting with Natalee at the table.. She said he was NOT Paulus.. and that Posner has to respect the privacy of Players and that All casinos do this.. Privacy of player.
I never did believe that. But who knows..
 This person has always brought forward correct info.

So you're saying that a person you know has a sister who knows someone? Is that 3rd or 4th hand information? And defending Mr. Posner's etiquette?

We can see the picture for ourselves. It's Paulus. I mean really have we lost all sense of logic? It is not a coincidence, Natalee was pointing to Joran.

I'll take my eyes over 4th hand information from a Posner employee. Although I believe Jossy has actually done some investigative work and said it was Paulus.

"I never did believe that. But who knows.."

3rd hand and maybe 4th hand ..
Sorry Frank..
Wish it could have been first hand info.
I think all of us are dependant on info from what ever source we could get it at the time..
I was working for and hoping for the truth.. I found it hard to find..

I never did believe that person Frank.. Even though all other info was correct.
I can only go by what I see and the fact that Posner nor ALE nor the prosecutors office will identify him one way or the other ..
As always I am highly suspicious of EVERYBODY dammit.. 
Is there anybody we can trust on the Rock called Aruba ?
Do I think it is Paulus??
I do.. Am I positive.. No.

[AZSunny]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde! 

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

[texasmom]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde! 

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

Thanks AzSunny, I'll go read that again.   

[Edward]

Anybody who works in Posners casino is going to support him..

It is hard to trust any info coming out of Aruba.

Why were there no interviews with employees of the casiono or the bartenders..

They all lie. !!

 

[texasmom]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde! 

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

Thanks AzSunny, I'll go read that again.   

Not very specific IMO, just "Tim got together with Louis"...

[Buckeye]

I certainly agree that a rift of sorts between the Sloots and TPTB in Aruba could result in some movement at last on the part of the OM and/or judiciary that is unfavorable to the Sloots.  Paulus has already been warned and given a public admonishment.

However, be that as it may, I think the BIG NEWS in all this latest stunt is Joran setting up his father for exposure certainly to highly questionable behavior at best.

And more so if the tape is fake.  That would mean Joran is actually setting Paulus up.

Now THAT could really result in information coming forward that has not in the past.  Joran vs Paulus in seeing who can implicate the other the most in Natalee's disappearance.

I for one have always thought the day would come when Joran would turn on Paulus for the bad advice Paulus gave Joran in encouraging him to lie.  There must have really been something in it for Paulus to have encouraged Joran to do that. 

Is Joran now punishing Paulus for not sending money or is it payback time for Dad?  Either way, wouldn't want to be Paulus right now. 

JMO

Oh, and the downside of all this is that there were absolutely NO laws against corruption at the time all this went down in Aruba.  They did attend a conference along with emerging African nations on setting up some of those but don't know if they ever got around to it.  Keep in mind that they are running years behind in enacting actual laws since declaring themselves autonomous.  Isn't that convenient!

[/b]

and...the "trafficking" recommendations were in Parliament...NO trafficking violation in Aruban "law".....This would have to be interpol..etc...to get action...

[Frank]

Edward,

I know what you're saying. I know it's him. Don't you think given the circumstances, it would be enough to arrest him from what we know?

But they did arrest him, for premeditated murder. Now considering Janssen was his friend, she must have had plenty of information to go on. This had to be a major consideration, because it is him.

And why did the Dutch investigators dig up the VDS property? Given what we know about Paulus this isn't even a stretch. He's not protecting his son, he's protecting his alibi and himself.

[AZSunny]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde! 

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

Thanks AzSunny, I'll go read that again.   

Not very specific IMO, just "Tim got together with Louis"...

Oh sorry,  I thought I remembered it more detailed than that.  I must have been reading in my sleep again.

[Keepthefaith]

Does anyone know how Tim Miller and Louis Schaefer came to work together on the ocean search?  I'm interested in who contacted who.  TIA

I will do a better look after I cook but here is what I just found.

Natalee’s father – encouraged by Hodges’ detailed profile – plans to search those waters for his daughter’s body with the help of Tim Miller’s Texas EquuSearch and Louis Schaefer with Underwater Expedition.


http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:D6-DyapU-CoJ:homelandsecurityleader.com/homeland-security/-2-2-2/dave-holloway-says-dr-hodges-work-key-to-finding-natalee/+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Thanks Blonde! 

Blonde,  didn't OE describe how that happen in the post your brought over this week from BFN? 

Thanks AzSunny, I'll go read that again.   

Not very specific IMO, just "Tim got together with Louis"...

Oh sorry,  I thought I remembered it more detailed than that.  I must have been reading in my sleep again.

Maybe go through Kermit's posts.Maybe somethin is in there??Just a though..

[johan555]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

awwwww come on Johan!!!!!  Tell us!!!!!  You know that nothing will shock us when it comes to her!   

She is the Aruban Xaviera Hollander

Yep, as they say "One happy Hooker"

her new book 

                     

[bastibro]

Glenda Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:08 am @ RU

Obviously, I don't know what Mos told JQK. I do know that JQK did his best to get a copy of that Casino Tape and other tapes from other casinos where the man seen talking to Natalee might be playing at the same tables as Joran.

I was told in 2005 by one of the leads on the case that the Man was 100% not PvdS and they identified him as a guest of the resort and not a chaperone. 

Ok. It must be a fact..
 

She stands by the boy, and his drug abuse, his disposing and murder of an innocent girl, and his sex trafficking. She is the face of Aruba in one ugly package.

I always wondered if Glenda the Witch had a little business on the side that paid better than rags and ink.  The liar that she is would make a good marketing manager for a trafficking or prostitution business, anything related to meat and of ill repute.

Well, Johan and i figured out she was running an escort service

Later more about that !

awwwww come on Johan!!!!!  Tell us!!!!!  You know that nothing will shock us when it comes to her!   

She is the Aruban Xaviera Hollander

Yep, as they say "One happy Hooker"

her new book 

                     

LOLOL The happy Hooker ended up happy after all, so the ends are very very different 

[Blonde]

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture. Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made hisfortune in the underwater exploration business. Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee's body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.


The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee's remains. Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home. "There's been times, I'll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us," stated Holloway.


In November 2007, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway went to New Iberia, La., to see off the research vessel named Persistence. Dave Holloway said, "Your boat says it all -- persistence. I've been persistent, and Tim's been persistent and everybody else is going to be persistent."

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:JbBR31aqg3kJ:arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/02/paradise-lost-aruba-never-to-be-same.html+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

[johan555]

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture. Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made hisfortune in the underwater exploration business. Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee's body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.


The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee's remains. Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home. "There's been times, I'll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us," stated Holloway.


In November 2007, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway went to New Iberia, La., to see off the research vessel named Persistence. Dave Holloway said, "Your boat says it all -- persistence. I've been persistent, and Tim's been persistent and everybody else is going to be persistent."

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:JbBR31aqg3kJ:arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/02/paradise-lost-aruba-never-to-be-same.html+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

thanks Blonde
How often was Hans Mos there and why ?

[Anna]

I certainly agree that a rift of sorts between the Sloots and TPTB in Aruba could result in some movement at last on the part of the OM and/or judiciary that is unfavorable to the Sloots.  Paulus has already been warned and given a public admonishment.

However, be that as it may, I think the BIG NEWS in all this latest stunt is Joran setting up his father for exposure certainly to highly questionable behavior at best.

And more so if the tape is fake.  That would mean Joran is actually setting Paulus up.

Now THAT could really result in information coming forward that has not in the past.  Joran vs Paulus in seeing who can implicate the other the most in Natalee's disappearance.

I for one have always thought the day would come when Joran would turn on Paulus for the bad advice Paulus gave Joran in encouraging him to lie.  There must have really been something in it for Paulus to have encouraged Joran to do that. 

Is Joran now punishing Paulus for not sending money or is it payback time for Dad?  Either way, wouldn't want to be Paulus right now. 

JMO

Oh, and the downside of all this is that there were absolutely NO laws against corruption at the time all this went down in Aruba.  They did attend a conference along with emerging African nations on setting up some of those but don't know if they ever got around to it.  Keep in mind that they are running years behind in enacting actual laws since declaring themselves autonomous.  Isn't that convenient!

[/b]

and...the "trafficking" recommendations were in Parliament...NO trafficking violation in Aruban "law".....This would have to be interpol..etc...to get action...

Same for pornography which is why it is so difficult to arrest someone like Freddie for creating it.  Prostitution legal and chollar houses for the drug addicts.  I also believe it is not illegal to grow pot only to sell it similar to Netherlands on that.

So not many things are actually illegal under Aruban law and their new state of autonomy.  You may recall the outrage of a school teacher when nude photos of her were posted on the internet but I don't think any actual laws were violated to just too bad. 

So if officials can legally take a bribe, there are not any laws in place to stop them.  Guess it is just another thing that they can grumble about but not actually do anything.

I do think these laws have been neglected by design so that those in power can pretty well do as they please with very little in place legally to stop them.

JMO

[Tylergal]

Edward,

I know what you're saying. I know it's him. Don't you think given the circumstances, it would be enough to arrest him from what we know?

But they did arrest him, for premeditated murder. Now considering Janssen was his friend, she must have had plenty of information to go on. This had to be a major consideration, because it is him.

And why did the Dutch investigators dig up the VDS property? Given what we know about Paulus this isn't even a stretch. He's not protecting his son, he's protecting his alibi and himself.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE AND THINK PAULUS IS NOT A SIMPLETON BUT A GUILTY MURDERER

[Anna]

Joran's father denies knowledge of 'human trafficking' RNW News

26-11-2008
Paulus van der Sloot, father of the Holloway case suspect Joran, is refusing to respond to allegations that his son told him about what happened to the missing American teenager. In an interview aired in the US on Tuesday, Joran told Fox News TV how he had sold Natalee Holloway to a Venezuelan man on the beach in Aruba for 10,000 dollars.


Paulus van der Sloot talking to Fox News TV, Nov 2008
(Fox News screenshot)
A Fox News reporter managed to show Mr Van der Sloot's father some transcripts of tape recordings of him talking to his son about the Natalee Holloway case. At one point, the transcript shows how his father says to Joran,

"But what you've done is pretty bad. Human trafficking is a serious crime."
Fox News TV also aired the audio recording of the telephone conversation between Joran and his father. They spoke in clearly understandable Dutch; the audio was subtitled in English on screen.

Confronted with the possibility that Natalee might still be alive, Paulus van der Sloot went into his office and broke off the outdoor interview.
The reporter says that Mr van der Sloot did not deny that the transcribed conversations actually took place.

Lawyer disagrees
Joe Tacopina, who was Joran van der Sloot's lawyer in the Aruba investigation, says he also spoke to Paulus van der Sloot. To Tacopina, Paulus said he had never had such a conversation with his son, suggesting that the audio recording had been doctored.

Mr Tacopina was accusing Fox News of paying Joran for the recordings and his interview simply to make great tv and increase ratings. The lawyer also said Joran is "despicable" and "on the verge of [being a] sociopath".
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/081126-holloway-father



Left out the part about Simpleton.

[johan555]

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture. Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made hisfortune in the underwater exploration business. Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee's body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.


The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee's remains. Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home. "There's been times, I'll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us," stated Holloway.


In November 2007, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway went to New Iberia, La., to see off the research vessel named Persistence. Dave Holloway said, "Your boat says it all -- persistence. I've been persistent, and Tim's been persistent and everybody else is going to be persistent."

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:JbBR31aqg3kJ:arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/02/paradise-lost-aruba-never-to-be-same.html+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

thanks Blonde
How often was Hans Mos there and why ?

[San]

Edward,

I know what you're saying. I know it's him. Don't you think given the circumstances, it would be enough to arrest him from what we know?

But they did arrest him, for premeditated murder. Now considering Janssen was his friend, she must have had plenty of information to go on. This had to be a major consideration, because it is him.

And why did the Dutch investigators dig up the VDS property? Given what we know about Paulus this isn't even a stretch. He's not protecting his son, he's protecting his alibi and himself.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE AND THINK PAULUS IS NOT A SIMPLETON BUT A GUILTY MURDERER

I agree.

[texasmom]

Until Louis Schaefer entered the picture. Schaefer is a self-made multimillionaire who made hisfortune in the underwater exploration business. Schaefer was one of the few people in the world with the expertise to help find Natalee's body if Tim Miller's theory was correct. And he was offering his services free of charge.


The plan was to use high-tech equipment to map the ocean floor off Aruba, and then, step-by-step, use state of the art equipment to scan the bottom for anything that looked like it could contain Natalee's remains. Just before Thanksgiving, 2007, Dave Holloway came to see the Persistence -- the vessel that he hoped would bring Natalee home. "There's been times, I'll be honest with you, you look up at the sky at night, or get up and you can't sleep. Look up at the stars. Think, God help us. Answer some prayers for us," stated Holloway.


In November 2007, Tim Miller and Dave Holloway went to New Iberia, La., to see off the research vessel named Persistence. Dave Holloway said, "Your boat says it all -- persistence. I've been persistent, and Tim's been persistent and everybody else is going to be persistent."

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:JbBR31aqg3kJ:arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/02/paradise-lost-aruba-never-to-be-same.html+Tim+Miller+and+Louis+Schaefer&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us

thanks Blonde
How often was Hans Mos there and why ?

Thanks Johan.

This part caught my eye too..."The search that could be initiated by Miller, Whitaker, and a team of volunteers in as soon as ten days, does not have the police's cooperation that the other attempts to find the Alabama teen had."

When did the police ever really cooperate?  Did I miss it?