Natalee Case Discussion #780 11/26/08 - 12/3/08

[Frank]

Yeah great show Dana,

We learned from Steve Cohen that;

Joran is the only one who knows what happened (no follow up)

Not corruption by officials but "confusion" (no follow up)

Paulus is a simple man (no follow up)

NOT A SINGLE MENTION OF JQK CONSIDERING JORAN'S STORY PLAUSABLE

[2NJSons_Mom]

Yep, great show....nice selection of guests, Dana.


Also, not aligning myself with Steve Cohen    , but he did mention November sweeps....as others have posted....proceed with caution and let there be some peace for Natalee's family. 

I don't know about Joran telling Greta he sold Natalee. I can't see Joran knowingly admitting to anyone in the media he did anything wrong at all, other than a social faux pas by leaving her on the beach. Of course that's a crock, but Joran is a crock full of chit.

I'm sorry, but I just remember Joran's response to the Patrick's sting...and he was high, under the influence & he said what he thought he was expected to say.   Just can't picture the scenario with Greta, if true, but I can picture him stoned and arrogant....guess we'll have to wait until Monday to see what she has....the elections are over and is it sweeps time for networks?   Joran is a crock full of chit, but there are other crocks we may have to deal with...I always hope, but am cautious...

[Poochy]

At the end of Dana's show, Red said he personally knew the Croes (phon. Cruz) family on Aruba prior to the Natalee Holloway case (or at least that's how I understood what he was saying).

Which Croes family - there are so many.  Anybody know?

Steve Croes? (as in 'the DJ was the vessel'?) I hope not!

Charles Croes perhaps?  (as in 'far reaching implications post')??

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

[truthseeker2]

Well, I think paying attention to anything Joran has to say should be analyzed to the hilt.  I have no idea if he has told the truth at any time.  But I was trying to look at the things that are in common in all of his interviews to see what sticks.  So...

1. Joran and K2's were definitely with her when leaving CnC's.
2. They always end their part of the story at the Marriott.
3. Twice Joran has Natalee in a boat with someone other then himself or K2's
4. Twice Joran has said that Satish came and picked him up.
5. Everytime he discusses it he states he made phone calls that night.
6. Until now, he has vehemently stated his father knew nothing.


While many believe this last interview he had with Greta is nothing but lies...well, he has been lying since May 31, 2005.  I'm not sure why he would lie about his father and K2's at this point, especially if he believed the K2's were going to give him a million bucks if they win their lawsuit and Joran keeps his mouth shut.  Why would he say those things?  Just for money...when he obviously has a new line of work in Thailand?

Also, when we look at the timing of the interview and the fact that Greta asked him if the phone call with his father was recorded in January wouldn't that fit closely with the fallout of the first DeVries show where Patrick and Joran were still talking to each other?  Is it possible that between those conversations with Patrick Joran was also communicating with his father??  Is it possible that Joran was telling his father about Patrick and that he WAS considering telling the truth to someone?

This is just spitballing, but I still do not totally discount Joran's latest claims...yet.

[klaasend]

At the end of Dana's show, Red said he personally knew the Croes (phon. Cruz) family on Aruba prior to the Natalee Holloway case (or at least that's how I understood what he was saying).

Which Croes family - there are so many.  Anybody know?

Steve Croes? (as in 'the DJ was the vessel'?) I hope not!

Charles Croes perhaps?  (as in 'far reaching implications post')??

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

I'm pretty sure it's the Rudy Croes family Red knew   

[Port Valerie]

Greta's interview was a journalistic disgrace. I think she talked the network into sending her to Thailand with a crew. Then she had to use the interview to justify the expense. Dead giveaway -- that interview with the teacher, all hyped up, and then she said it probably wasn't that teacher at all.

I think this is not sweeps week at all. I think it is probably a traditionally dead week, with Thanksgiving and travel and all. Greta tried to place this embarrassment in the time slot where it would be least noticed. If I am right, she will replay it on Christmas Eve.

I hate the way she lured Beth to New York and then dropped a bomb on her.

Joe Taco got it right. JQK pandered to Greta.

Greta is usually very good and she has done great work on this case for years. I excuse her for this week's hoopla.I applaud her for going to Thailand and trying.

[Tamikosmom]

Steve Cohen postion as media spokesperson for the investigation was to further the coverup that was denying Natalee Holloway justice from the getgo.

Janet

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THE STEVE COHEN STORY    


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.
The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.

Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY: You know, Steve, have you heard these claims that, in this video—there’s this surveillance video that we saw in the casino that was showed a while back—that Paulus Van Der Sloot may be in the casino actually even talking to Natalee. And what we just heard from John, it doesn’t sound like that was asked of him before, if he actually even engaged in some conversation with her that night.

COHEN: I have to say that, unfortunately, I have not had a chance to view that tape. I’ve been in transit in the last 24 hours. Once I get a look at it, I think I’ll be able to give you a better comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

"Dr. Phil asks him, “From your opinion, based on what
you know, do you believe that these boys are guilty of wrongdoing here?” Steve says that he does. “Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?” Steve says that they do. “Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?” Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Steve explains, “Forensic materials continue to be collected. I think we’ve got our hands on some forensic material now that may actually open up the doors to the final results of this case.”

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=6&null=null


Steve Cohen
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2005

Steve Cohen, special advisor to Aruba, came on the show hoping for a chance to talk to Beth about where the investigation stands today. Dr. Phil turns to Steve. "So, you're a paid consultant?" he asks.

"That's correct," Steve replies.

"And, who pays you?" Dr. Phil probes.

"I'm actually paid by the tourism industry, which is the Aruban Tourism Authority, and also a group called AHACA, which is an association of hotel owners on the island."

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=3041&slide=4&showID=


John Q. Kelly
DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

We're not going to sit here and say, 'Mr. Cohen's a nice guy. He told us some nice things. Aruba's a nice country.' No! Their daughter's missing. We don't have answers. The answers are down there. They have the resources, they have the men, they have the answers, they've got the suspects, it's all down there for them to solve this, and they're not doing it. We need that done.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=?id=&slide=8&null=null


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 29, 2005

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  It is expected that he will be re-questioned somewhere in the next 10-day period.  I doubt that they will bring him back for questioning immediately, but it will be in that period.  And also, it is expected the Kalpoes will also be brought in for questioning.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  That was last week.  On Saturday, it will be 10 days.  Obviously, they're not going to be able to question all three tomorrow.  So essentially, you broke your promise to us, to the American people.  He wasn't brought in for questioning.

COHEN:  Oh, well—well, Jane, I think you're being overly severe with me and with the Aruban prosecutorial system.  These timelines that you guys continue to create on American cable are hard to...

VELEZ-MITCHELL:  I have to interrupt you.  You created the timeline.  You said on December 21, the day he arrived, he will be interviewed within 10 days, and the Kalpoe brothers will also be brought in.  It's going to be 10 days on Saturday.  They haven't been interrogated.  Joran's now saying they're going to send him some questions to answer, which he will undoubtedly answer with his attorney and with his father, who's a  judge.  I mean, that almost seems like a cruel joke.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10650771/

[2NJSons_Mom]

Greta's interview was a journalistic disgrace. I think she talked the network into sending her to Thailand with a crew. Then she had to use the interview to justify the expense. Dead giveaway -- that interview with the teacher, all hyped up, and then she said it probably wasn't that teacher at all.

I think this is not sweeps week at all. I think it is probably a traditionally dead week, with Thanksgiving and travel and all. Greta tried to place this embarrassment in the time slot where it would be least noticed. If I am right, she will replay it on Christmas Eve.

I hate the way she lured Beth to New York and then dropped a bomb on her.

Joe Taco got it right. JQK pandered to Greta.

Greta is usually very good and she has done great work on this case for years. I excuse her for this week's hoopla.I applaud her for going to Thailand and trying.

You may be right about Greta replaying because she's done it before.....sweeps are done in months of the year, though, so the election overflow may have scheduled it for this week, and sadly during another holiday.  I do feel that she brought the case back into the news, but not sure I am ready to applaud....still wonder what else she has for Monday....proceeding with caution.   As for Beth, I cannot fathom how she can withstand all of this.

What are the sweep periods?
Sweeps are designated months during the year when Nielsen Media Research measures all local markets. We survey the majority of our 210 local television markets in November, February, May and July (Local People Meter markets, however, are measured 365 days a year). These months are known as “sweep” months, and the data are used by local stations and cable systems to set local advertising rates and to make program decisions. The term “sweep” originated in the 1950s, when Nielsen Media Research mailed and processed diaries to sample households, starting with the East Coast and “sweeping” across the nation.

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/menuitem.55dc65b4a7d5adff3f65936147a062a0/?vgnextoid=34953b318b906010VgnVCM100000880a260aRCRD

[friend of monkeys]

Red, glad u are feeling better.

i have gotten so lost in Shango land i am dizzy.
at the moment tho, I guess it makes more sense than Jorans confession and retraction.

Anyone want to play with me over in La La's Land before lights out?
: )

[Port Valerie]

What is LaLa's land?

[bc73]

Assuming Shango/Simian threads

[casa]

Yep, great show....nice selection of guests, Dana.


Also, not aligning myself with Steve Cohen    , but he did mention November sweeps....as others have posted....proceed with caution and let there be some peace for Natalee's family. 

I don't know about Joran telling Greta he sold Natalee. I can't see Joran knowingly admitting to anyone in the media he did anything wrong at all, other than a social faux pas by leaving her on the beach. Of course that's a crock, but Joran is a crock full of chit.

I'm sorry, but I just remember Joran's response to the Patrick's sting...and he was high, under the influence & he said what he thought he was expected to say.   Just can't picture the scenario with Greta, if true, but I can picture him stoned and arrogant....guess we'll have to wait until Monday to see what she has....the elections are over and is it sweeps time for networks?   Joran is a crock full of chit, but there are other crocks we may have to deal with...I always hope, but am cautious...

Didnt listen to the show but there will be no peace for the family until they know for sure wht happened to Natalee and hopefully have her brought home.

[Port Valerie]

Thank you. I thought maybe poster LaLa had a thread going.

I can't follow the Shango stuff. I applaud everyone who does.

[bc73]

Thank you. I thought maybe poster LaLa had a thread going.

I can't follow the Shango stuff. I applaud everyone who does.

I follow it closely, but end up with severe brain cramps, lol. Some great thinking, but it's a tough one.

[Port Valerie]

Thank you. I thought maybe poster LaLa had a thread going.

I can't follow the Shango stuff. I applaud everyone who does.

I follow it closely, but end up with severe brain cramps, lol. Some great thinking, but it's a tough one.

I tried but my brain went kazooey.  It went kazooey a long time ago. Maybe it wasn't Shango at all. Keep up the good work.

[friend of monkeys]

Assuming Shango/Simian threads

yes, bc73 that is what i meant ,Port Valerie .
Just being silly.  those threads are a doozy, and I am amazed at all the great minds working overtime there.


the hour and 20 minute tight timing Beth brought up last night ...is it the 2 40 am call to Deepak, then Paulus saying he picked "them" up at 4am?

[bc73]

Assuming Shango/Simian threads

yes, bc73 that is what i meant ,Port Valerie .
Just being silly.  those threads are a doozy, and I am amazed at all the great minds working overtime there.


the hour and 20 minute tight timing Beth brought up last night ...is it the 2 40 am call to Deepak, then Paulus saying he picked "them" up at 4am?

I took it as from the time they left C N C'S(1am), according to their texts and such, it wouldnt have left them a helluva lot of time to create the scenario we theorize. How,in 1.5 hours, could you drive to a location(busy area), commit a crime("something bad happened"),and leave zero traces of any sort of crime(which we all know evidence was more than tampered with). The reason is you CAN'T!! At least without a well thought out plan by a really,sweaty,simpletonlike man....

[Frank]

Steve Cohen;

NO questions about the security guards
NO questions about the press release stating Natalee was dead and one of the suspects had confessed
NO questions about the retraction
NO questions about Jan van der straaten threatening Beth
NO questions as why he says Aruba was confused, not corrupt

Dana, and you spent more time criticizing Greta?

I must have been hearing things because I heard what sounded like commercials on the show.

[klaasend]

Steve Cohen;

NO questions about the security guards
NO questions about the press release stating Natalee was dead and one of the suspects had confessed
NO questions about the retraction
NO questions about Jan van der straaten threatening Beth
NO questions as why he says Aruba was confused, not corrupt

Dana, and you spent more time criticizing Greta?

I must have been hearing things because I heard what sounded like commercials on the show.

Frank - I think you're being a bit hard on Dana.  Dana isn't a reporter he's a radio commentator.  I feel as though you are blaming the last 3 1/2 years on Dana   

[cubbeegirl]

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